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LindaR got a reaction from Alan in Debtors to the Jews.
That's also an excellent Jewish evangelism/missionary ministry. Sorry I forgot to list that one with the other two I gave you in that PM.
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LindaR reacted to Alan in Debtors to the Jews.
Thank you Ronda for quoting Zechariah 2:8. I was going to quote that verse in my next posting!
Zechariah 2:8 is the favorite verse of the Jewish ministry called, "The Hope of Israel." Here is the link of the Hope of Israel Ministry: http://hopeofisrael.net/news/
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LindaR got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in The 7th Shemita is here
Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened. Read about it here:
Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!
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LindaR got a reaction from MountainChristian in The 7th Shemita is here
Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened. Read about it here:
Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!
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LindaR reacted to Alan in Debtors to the Jews.
The Apostle Paul was a Jew. Paul was part of the Jewish remnant of the elect sons of israel. Every generation since Paul's age a remnant of Jews have been saved: Romans 11:1-12 At the time of Paul's ministry the Jews were enemies of the gospel, Romans 11:28 and Paul was severely persecuted by the Jews in almost every place he preached the gospel. This is common knowledge so I will only give one incident: Acts 12:44-50 The persecution endured by Paul from the hands of the Jews were physical, spiritual, and they blaspehemed and contradicted Paul at every opportunity.
So, in spite of the extreme persecution that Paul went through, and after Paul plainly stated that the Jews were enemies of the gospel, Paul still said that we, every saint, in every age, in every country, were debtors to the Jews.
"But now I [Paul] go unto Jerusalem to minister to the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certian contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem. It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiriutal things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things." Romans 15:25-27
Furthermore, in relation to this, even though we are not under the Law, Galatians 2:19, 3:10 & 25 etc.. Paul, when he went to Jerusalem on his last visit to Jerusalem to deliver the contribution mentioned in Romans15:25-27 went into the Temple and performed the ceremonial rites according to the Old Testament Law. Even though Paul preached, taught and wrote that the saints are not under the Law he still realized that the Law, and the Temple ceremonies, had spiritual applications and used these spiritual applications in his preaching at every opportunity.
Paul stated that Christians are debtors to the Jews, lost or saved, whether a person says they are elect or not-elect for the following reasons.
1. Previously Paul taught that after a Gentile is saved he is grafted into the Olive Tree, the nation of Israel. Romans 11:24
2. All, 100 per cent, of the spiritual blessings bestowed on a Gentile at the moment of salvation comes from the Jews. Romans 15:27 the Lord Jesus Christ was a Jew. a physical descendent child of the Patriarchs and of the lineage of David.
3. The Oracles of God, the Old Testament, and the New Testament, were all written by a Jewish man. "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcism? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God." Romans 3:1 & 2
Before someone mentions that the Apostle John was a Gentile I must correct that error. The Apostle John was a Jew. Yes, I understand that John is a Gentile name; but that does not make him a Gentle by birth. So was John the Baptist, and Paul Gentile names. Does that make John the Baptist and Paul the apostle Gentiles? Here on Taiwan I have a legal Chinese name, registered with the government of Taiwan, and is used for all legal documents. Does that make me a Chinese?
4. The doctrine of adoption is from the Jews. Romans 9:4, Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption..." When a Gentile gets saved he is adopted into the family of God as a son Abraham. Paul wrote, "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 4:5 and, "Know ye therefore that which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham." Galatians 3:7
5. All of the glory ahead of the every saved Gentile is through the Jews. "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and glory..." Romans 9:4 Is heaven a glorious place? The spiritual blessing of heaven comes from a Jew.
6. All of the Covenants are given to the Jews. "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants..." Romans 9:4 All of the covenants in the Old Testament are still in force and have not been annulled or given to the church. The Reformed Theology Brethrern, the Replacement Theology brethren are in total error and are teaching unsound doctrine.
The New Covenant in Hebrews 8:8 is also a Jewish Covenant. The New covenant is given to the House of Israel with the House of Judah. It is not given to the church at all. Hebrews 8:8, "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah."
7. The service of God. "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God..." Romans 9:4
The services of the Temple by God was given for a teaching platform of the holiness of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, and the works of Christ. This is why in all of his Epistles Paul the Apostle emphasized the law and the Temple. If a person wants to learn more about Jesus, the Book of Hebrews, and the Book of Revelation, and the Book of Romans, he needs to read the Law real close with a humble attitude.
8. The promises of God. "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises." Romans 9:4
The Old Tesament not only includes the Law of God, but it includes many precepts and promises. Some of the promises are given to every saint and some of these promises are given to the nation of Israel. The context, and wording of the promises tell whom they given to.
All of the promises of the New Testament was also given by a Jew; the Lord Jesus.
9. All of the Patriarchs were Jews. "Whose are the fathers..." Romans 9:5 All of the promises, covenants, precepts, were given by Jews to the Gentiles.
10. "Whose are the fathers, and of whom concerning the flesh christ blessed for ever. Amen."..." Romans 9:5 The Lord Jesus was of Jewish lineage.
Therefore, like Paul the Apostle and the early church, we need to be thankful for the Jews, the nation of Israel, and realize that we in debt to them and help them in carnal things. these carnal things include financial aid, military aid, and any other kind of aid.
Alan
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LindaR got a reaction from Alan in The 7th Shemita is here
Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened. Read about it here:
Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!
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LindaR reacted to Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Invicta, So do you believe the following verse is null and void?
Acts 2:17 ""And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
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LindaR reacted to Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Dear Invicta: You said: "I don't see your point here. You have taken a verse on its own and used it out of context. Read the whole section."
I was answering the question put forth by "GenevanPreacher" whose question was:
asked this question: "Can you please give me one verse or more in the NT, outside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it."
By the way, AFTER I answered the question, he THEN added a "qualifier" (after the verse I brought forth DID, in fact, meet his original parameters):
"Genevan Preacher" then said something to the effect that the verse I selected out of the NT didn't count (or something to that effect) because it was a NT verse quoting the OT.
Ofcourse, he THEN EDITED his statement. How convenient.
Next, you said: "Pedter was speaking to his hearers"
Just WHO were his hearers? Verse 14 tells us very plainly who they were:
"YE MEN OF JUDAEA" (verse 14) "YE MEN OF ISRAEL"(verse 22)
You can attempt to twist that and apply it to any other people group you want, but I,myself, believe the word of God is without error! If the scripture said "Judaea" and the scripture said "Israel",well then I am pretty sure that's exactly what it said!
I think it interesting that YOU called it a "slam-fest" when I and many others brought up this same line of reasoning in another thread. I guess it's only a "slam-fest" when the view opposes your own????
MY stand is thus: I believe that the bible is TRUE... ALLLLLLLLLLLLL of the Bible.
To believe that the saved (or any other people group) replaces Israel or the Jews would be to deny God's word! I won't do that.
To throw out half (or even more) of the old testament and declare it null and void would be a grievous error!
In another thread I disputed this very thing. The topic was preterism. Many verses in the OT were listed by another member, which clearly showed that MANY of the OT events did NOT "already happen" in 70ad (nor in any other time period YET to date). Just one of the many opposing viewpoints is in Zechariah 8:23 "a Jew" means "a Jew", it hasn't happened YET and it WILL happen in the future. To subscribe to the viewpoint you attempt to make- I would have to believe at least 1 or 2 erroneous theories: 1. that in Zech 8:23 it already happened- (it has NOT yet happened), or 2: that the words "a Jew" would mean any saved person (since you believe the saved replace Israel and you believe the saved will receive the promises God made specifically the Israel). Sorry... that's not what the scripture says.
Might I also say that those who are quick to claim for themselves the blessings promised specifically to Israel, are the same people who are just as quick to deny the judgments pertaining to Israel would apply to themselves. You can't have it both ways.
Not without twisting scripture, and omitting HUGE amounts of scripture as well. I won't do that. In all honesty I fear God's awesome power and would not dare to knowingly distort, omit, or twist scripture to make it fit what I wanted it to fit.
God makes it pretty clear not to TAKE AWAY nor to ADD TO His words.
However, if you want to try to apply all the blessings to yourselves without claiming any of the judgments..it's to your own peril.
Jeremiah 17:10 "I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."
Hebrews 4:12-13 12 "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
13 "Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do."
Psalm 139:2 "Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off."
and many many more..
I came to this site to study the word of God... not to end up disputing over the same things thread after thread no matter what the topic is, it always gets hi-jacked to the same old place doesn't it???
So I must add these 2 last queries, which are:
1. HOW does this have anything to do with the original topic of this threa of conversation which started with Eric claiming the subject to be:"The 7th Shemita is here"and his first post being: "are you aware and prepared"?
To which (I would assume) the topic of conversation would have followed as to what we each or why not we each respectively thought (or didn't think) about the "7th Shemitah" and any biblical reference to support our premise.
2. Why is it that on just about every topic which is started, one of 3 "members" here feels compelled to "de-rail the train" of conversation to include their personal theories as to "replacement theology" and/or "reformed theology",when in fact the topic usually has nothing at all to do with either?
Why do those persons not start their own topic of conversation and discuss it amongst themselves (and anyone else who should want to join in)? INSTEAD of continually "hi-jacking" just about every other thread of conversation which does NOT pertain to what those topics?
I think I know the answer...but more importantly God knows the answer to that question,and isn't it HE (to whom knows our intentions) we should be serving?
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LindaR reacted to John81 in The 7th Shemita is here
That is another matter up for interpretation. Some say the Holy Spirit is removed entirely, some say the Holy Spirit will be present but only as in Old Testament times, some say the Holy Spirit will still be present and active but will not be holding back evil as before.
If, as the pre-trib teaching indicates, Christians will be gone I don't know why we argue over this detail.
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LindaR reacted to Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Dear "GenevanPreacher":
I agree that both Alan and Eric have the same understanding of those verses as I do.
Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in."
So how long will Israel be in-part blinded to the gospel???
Until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in (which hasn't happened YET)
If they are blinded in part to the gospel, we can assume they will AT SOME FUTURE point in time be "able to see" the truth of the gospel.
And how will they be able to "see it"? When (I believe, during the tribulation) He pours out His spirit upon them.
You asked this question: "Can you please give me one verse or more in the NT, outside of the book of Revelation, that states that Israel will be gathered together and formed into a nation again? Surely, if that is the case, there should be one mention of it."
So my reply in another verse in the NT would be yet another verse which helps this understanding:
Acts 2:17
"And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:"
and WHO is Peter talking to??? Acts 2:14 tells us he is talking to " Ye men of Judaea"
and if there any doubt about whattime period he's referring to?
Look again at verse 17: "IN THE LAST DAYS"
So if he is talking to "ye men of Judaea" in reference to an event to happen in "the last days" what does that tell you????? Hmmm, could it mean that they will actually BE in Judea (in Israel) in the last days. Of course, you will likely try to argue what you believe the "last days" to refer to. But I believe i have fulfilled a REFERENCE to ISRAEL being in their land again.
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LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in John 3:13
I agree...the righteous went to Abraham's bosom before Christ's death, burial, and resurrection.
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LindaR got a reaction from MountainChristian in The 7th Shemita is here
Do you believe in the restoration of the land of Israel and the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, Israel? God is gathering His people Israel back to their ancient land of Israel.
Ezekiel 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
Just because 40% of the Jewish people live in the USA does not change the fact that the Shemita has always been for the nation of Israel. The Shemitah has never been for the nations.
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LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Do you believe in the restoration of the land of Israel and the return of the Jews to their ancient homeland, Israel? God is gathering His people Israel back to their ancient land of Israel.
Ezekiel 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
Just because 40% of the Jewish people live in the USA does not change the fact that the Shemita has always been for the nation of Israel. The Shemitah has never been for the nations.
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LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
The Shemitah is for the nation of Israel, not for the nations. Our "preparation" should be for the coming of the Lord Jesus to rapture/catch up His Church. We should be busy sharing the gospel with the lost.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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LindaR got a reaction from John81 in The 7th Shemita is here
The Shemitah is for the nation of Israel, not for the nations. Our "preparation" should be for the coming of the Lord Jesus to rapture/catch up His Church. We should be busy sharing the gospel with the lost.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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LindaR reacted to Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
I'm so glad that the Lord has delivered me from the wrath to come (1st Thessalonians 1:10), so when the things spoken of in Matthew 24 are happening, I'll already be with the Lord! (1st Corinthians 15:51-52 , and 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). So I'm not looking for famines, pestilence, earthquakes, and all the other awful things that will happen. I'm listening for the sound of a trumpet!!!
Instead of worrying about the stock market and famines and all of the worldly woes, I am looking forward to this: John 14:1-3 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
" In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
" And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
Your profile states that you are an Independent Fundamental Baptist. I don't think you're getting your "teaching" from an IFB church, nor do I think it's coming from the bible, I think it might be coming from a TV evangelist and/or youtube? What does your pastor think about the "7th Shemitah"? What did you learn in the bible about the "7th Shemitah"?
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LindaR reacted to John81 in The 7th Shemita is here
"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7
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LindaR reacted to Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Eric, First, don't panic!!! Philippians 4:6-7 says: 6 "Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." 7 "And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus."
God is telling us through His words not to worry (not to be full of cares about) things of this world, but to instead pray about anything concerning you and once you turn it over to God you should then have peace about it... not to worry more about it!!!
And instead of worrying about all the craziness going on in the world, what are we supposed to try to keep our minds on instead? Philippians 4:8 says: "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things".
I'm not trying to make fun of you, Eric, I can see your honest desire to know what wisdom God wants to give us. I can tell you that the TV evangelists are not going to give you sound doctrine... SOME of them have SOME things biblically correct, but for the most part, they just want to part you from the money in your wallet! So who CAN you trust???? GOD!!!! His words are found in the bible, and studying the bible is how we learn the wisdom God wants to impart to us! There really are no shortcuts there, we have to read and even study the bible! How do I know that? And how do I know HOW we are supposed to study? God tells us in 2nd Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
God doesn't want us to get all upset about whatever the latest wind of gossip is. Hebrews 13:9 "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines...." God doesn't want us to just take someone else's word for things, he wants us to come to Him in prayer to ask Him to help us learn when we study the bible. If we honestly come to Him with pure intentions He will guide us with His Holy Spirit. But before any of that can happen we must first be saved.
1st Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God."
And 1st Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.".
So we can see that first one must be saved... have accepted Jesus free gift of eternal salvation. I hope you don't mind if I ask you if you've done that? If your answer is "no" or "you're not sure", then PLEASE send me a private message and I will be more than happy to help you know for certain how to "be saved" and have eternal salvation through Jesus Christ! If your answer is "yes" and you're sure of your salvation, may I suggest you pray and ask Him for spiritual guidance?
I'm not trying to belittle you in any way, and I sure hope you don't think I am... I just want you to know that the bible (God's word) is how a Christian should try to get their "wisdom", and not from worldly TV shows or youtube videos. Not that ALL tv shows or youtube videos are bad... I've seen a FEW (very few, lol) that truly glorify the name of the Lord. I'm just saying that the same time you spent watching a tv program or a youtube video may have been used to read the bible! We should really take advantage of reading and studying the bible here in the US while it's still a freedom. There are people suffering severe persecution and even being killed just for reading the bible in countries in the middle east and elsewhere! And this sie is also a great place to fellowship with others about the bible... we can learn/help each other with some of the more difficult passages of the bible here on OB.
Once again, I'm not trying to deride you, I truly just want to help you grow and learn in the Lord. And I'm sorry to say that the "Shemetah" is NOT in the bible! There are biblical "sabbath" years in the bible, but those were for the Jews under the Law. If you're a born again Christian, you are NOT under the law, but under grace!
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LindaR reacted to John81 in The 7th Shemita is here
How ironic that Cahn's own name rhymes with his false sayings (con!).
I come under so much fire for pointing out what this man presents. The obsessed with new and current prophecy crowd are lost in their own little world and hate anyone who dares point out anything that might burst their hot air prophecy bubbles.
Unfortunately, their constant red flag waving over the decades have turned many away from Christ.
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LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in The 7th Shemita is here
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Titus 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Get right or get left (behind). The Rapture/"catching up"/"harpazo" is imminent. It can happen at any time. No prophetic signs need to occur in order for the Church to be "caught up to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thess. 4:16-17) We need to be looking for "that blessed hope", not for any Shemitah to happen. Shemitah is for Israel....rapture is for the Church/the Body of Christ.
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LindaR reacted to John81 in The 7th Shemita is here
I've actually watched the news since I was a young child and there is nothing radically different going on today that wasn't going on in the late 60s, the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s.
My assurance comes from being in Christ, not what is or isn't on the TV news.
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LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Free Will
"If God ordains on a certain day. Because we know, God knows the birth and death of people, because he ordains it. And God has chosen somebody before the foundation of the world, how can man say no in that situation? How can man then utterly have free will?"
"...how often would I have gathered you under my wings, but ye would not."
You berate others for their ignorance of reformed theology, when you ignore the fact that Jesus demonstrated man's free will to choose.
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LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Free Will
Having mercy and compassion does not necessarily mean Salvation.