LindaR

Maybe I see where you're coming from. Repent has only one root meaning. It basically means to turn from or against something. God's creation had "turned against" him in Genesis 6, God "turned against" the evil he intended for Nineveh when the Assyrians turned against their sin, in faith toward God, in their hearts. That took place BEFORE they put on sackcloth in Jonah 3 because the Bible says they BELIEVED the preaching of Jonah. So they didn't merely "turn over a new leaf". Truly. to be saved one cannot merely "turn against" or quit their sin: they must repent in faith toward God. No one has said any different in this thread, to my knowledge. The sense or application of repentance I've been referring to is the following...
Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 20:21

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath is poured out on mankind.  Yes, Jesus does say we will have tribulation in the Gospel of John, chapter sixteen.  However, He clearly identifies that tribulation to be coming from the world,... not from God.
When God's wrath is poured out on this Earth, we are told that there will be no place to hide.  Both bond and free will cry out for the mountains to hide them from God's wrath, yet they shall not escape.  This means that everyone will experience God's wrath, no exceptions.  Yet, once again, I take comfort in the fact that, as a saved and sealed Believer in Jesus Christ, I will not be here when God's wrath will be poured out on mankind.
 
He has assured me of this in His Word.  I rest in Him.  He is faithful who promised.  I may see tribulation in this world, but I will not see this world as it goes through God's wrath.

Nay, nay.
We keep saying it over and over....the "turning" to God, away from sin and self,  takes place only in your heart. Matter of fact, one can be a deaf mute but their heart can still say  "God be merciful to me, a sinner". I've yet to see anyone do any kind of "work" with just their heart or mind.

I am not so sure that Jesus was commending the widow of Mark 12.  If one reads the text in context, (beginning at verse 39) one will see Jesus was warning of religious leaders who, "rob widow's houses".  Then, He sits against a wall across from the Treasury.  Lo and behold, a widow comes and drops all her living into the Treasury. 

What I see in that text is Jesus pointing out a widow has just been robbed, not that He was commending her.

But that is another topic for another thread, I guess.  LoL

First off, there was no "misconduct" on our behalf.  My teaching was never in the Church building, nor on the Church property.  And it was always miles away from the Church, or on the world wide web.  I thought I had made that clear in a previous post?

Second, had we been informed of the meeting, we would have gone and defended out teaching using the Word of God as our support.  Call it debate if you will, we call it defense. 

Agree to disagree?  I find no support for such in the Word of God.  One is either in agreement, or not.  Yes, our focus would have been on the issue of what the Scripture says.  Why wouldn't it be?  Are we to compromise the truth and walk in a lie? 

Actually, the beginning paragraph of the email we received clearly acknowledged that we had written them and told them our intentions to return to the Church.    By the way, we had written the email to them informing them that we would be back PRIOR to their scheduling of their secret meeting.

Here is the link to the email we received AFTER we were voted out of the church fellowship via a secret meeting....it was secret due to the fact that we, as members of that fellowship for almost 7 years, were not informed of the meeting and we had NO "say so" in our defense.  Even criminals on trial fare better than we did.

"The Much Requested E-mail"

Steve, my Bible does say, "Buy the truth and sell it not".  To me, that means not to compromise my convictions.

The only Church in our area that preaches from the KJV just happens to be the only IFB Church in our area,... which has told us we are not welcome there unless we repent of teaching this truth.  As I said before, I will not repent of preaching truth,... as many here on OB should know by now.
I still get fed, despite not being in a brick and mortar building with fifty or more people.  If I could return without compromising my convictions, I would be back amongst them.  But their stand is that I cannot speak this truth; not just in the Church, but also not on the street, nor on my Facebook page, nor on my blog.  
When church leadership denies its members the freedom to speak or walk in truth, telling them to "keep a lid on it," they cease to be a Church.  They have, at that point, moved into a cult mentality.

While its true the Bible doesn't command that commentaries be written, neither is it commanded against. The Bile says "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." I don't see where this limits one to only the Word, in order to be able to rightly divide the word of truth.  People began to write commentaries very early on, not perhaps complete like we have with Matthew Henry or others, but it is all an aspect of teaching the word. I was once lambasted on an IFB site, which was primarily Ruckmanite, because I had the AUDACITY to study history to have a better understanding of the historical context for things in the Bible. How DARE I ADD to God's word by reading about the history of the time! It got so bad that I left. (By the way, I mention it as a Ruckmanite site, because they made it clear it was, not because I blame Ruckman, but some of his acolytes to hold him in such high esteem, rather like Jack Hyles' acolytes, who believed, in both cases, neither man could do any wrong and were held up in a most spiritually unhealthy manner.)
The danger, of course, comes in taking the writings of men, be they commentaries, margin notes, etc, as authoritative. In fact, I find some of the margin notes in the BEST of Bible to be dangerous, and I have more than once crossed them out. And, that being said, I rarely use commentaries or Greek/Hebrew/Chaldean dictionaries, etc, because I have faith in the word of God in the KJV and find way too much questionable content in many areas. But, as is mentioned above by heartstrings, there are words we just don't use anymore, as well as words which have vastly changed in meaning, and in some cases, using other writings can be a help. 

Hello Leonard, you have said at least once,
>>>But not unbelievers, they cannot please God [have fellowship with (my interpritation)].<<<<
It is true that unbelievers can't please God, but they can put their heart right so as to be willing to hear from him.
Psalms 50:23  Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

If God is in control of all, and we have no freewill...then what about when we are judged? What's the purpose of it? Why would God give us rewards for the things he made us do?
What about the parable of the talents? For example...
Matthew 25:20-21
20   And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more
21   His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Leonard, can you honestly say that there is no freewill (and the results of freewill) displayed in those verses?
 
 
 
 

Which you apparently missed the rest of my post and the point. God, who is in total control, can choose whether or not to exercise that total control by forcing His will at a given time or not. God is still in control if He allows, as a part of His total control, to give room for free choice. Allowing free choice, whether broadly or in limited fashion doesn't diminish God's sovereignty as He's still controlling the situation and outcome and, if He chooses, may step in at any time to change the situation as He chooses.

LindaR,
I do not think you bringing Genesis 12:1-3 to our attention is off topic. I think it is appropriate and fits into the general discussion on the spiritual blessings to the Gentiles coming from the Jewish lineage: specificly, the Patriarchs, as talked about previously. The blessing and curse, in the Abrahamic Covenant, is still in force today.
As the subject matter under discussion is the spiritual blessings arising from the Patriarchs, and the land of Israel, I think it would behoove all of us to read Psalm 122. I will bring out one verse that specifically tells us the spiritual blessing of the nation of Israel that Paul is relating to us.
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee." Psalm 122:6
The Gentiles, the saints in the Church Age, are all spiritually prospeous because of the Hebrews.
Shalom.
Alan

There have been and continue to be many famines around the world. Jesus never said a specific famine was something to look out for before His return. If a specific famine is required before Christ can return, then His return has not been nor now is imminent.

Jesus Christ will return to this earth to destroy all the nations that come against Israel at the battle of Armageddon and then He will set up His 1,000 year earthly reign from Jerusalem.
Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

We (the redeemed) will reign with Christ on the earth

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The apostle Paul clearly stated that we are debtors to the nation of Israel; not just to the poor saints in Israel. The poor saints in Israel had nothing to do with the spiritual blessings that Paul goes on to talk about.
"For is the Gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things." Romans 15:27
Paul is very clear in this matter. He stopped talking about the subject of the poor saints and then the subject changed to the  Gentiles debtors to the Jews fo the spiritual blessings mentioned previously.

I think you spelled his name wrong Sis. Linda...
Jonathan Con

 

Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened.  Read about it here:

Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!

LindaR said, "In addition to humanitarian (carnal things) aid, I would include sharing the Gospel with the Jews.  
Amen and amen.
 

I agree with you for once "Invicta", but only about the pope being evil.  He openly claimed that the god of the muslims is the same God we worship.  We know that isn't true, as the bible reveals who God is to us, and it certainly is NOT the same god they worship! 
But here's where we part ways in agreement.  I don't agree with many of your other statements:
First you said you "believe that Christ's kingdom IS the church"   I don't agree.  Let's look at the parallel passages to Luke 9:27
Matthew 16: 27-28
27 "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."        28 "Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
It doesn't make sense (to me) that the church could be the kingdom.  To me, it doesn't make grammatical sense and it doesn't make plain sense.
 
NEXT, I disagree with your understanding of the part of the passage saying "some standing here"
Notice, Jesus did NOT say there be some standing here right now, this very minute.... (the moment he was speaking)
However, if we look deeper we see "some standing here" means Jesus was referencing the very spot he was standing.
So there will be some people standing there (where? that same spot Jesus was standing) WHEN they see the Son of man coming in His kingdom. (I believe) He was referring to a future event wherein some would be standing there in that very spot and those same people would not die (taste of death) until they saw Jesus return (coming with His kingdom).
 I could go on further to state that I believe that since that very spot is in Israel, and the Jews were ousted from Israel for many centuries but have now returned to that land (in 1948)  that those people could be the ones to whom he was referring,  those who would see Jesus come in their lifetimes.  And also He did say SOME, He did not say EVERY.
I also believe there are many prophetic references to the Jews returning to the land of Israel in the old testament. 
I know full well that it is not your opinion, "Invicta".  However, I am also permitted to give my opinion and understanding of scripture here on this site as well.      If "the world" has it's way, then soon NONE of us will be able to talk openly about biblical matters without fear of legal ramifications.  I intend to use as much time as I can (God willing) and as long as I am physically capable to use my voice and hands to do so (God willing),  to study and fellowship with other Christians as well.  
 

In my area, some have fell back to the day of atonement, the 23rd.
Most are saying it will be the feast of the Tabernacles when the blood moon appears on the 28th.
It breaks my heart to see this happening. They will just move on to the next idea of when Jesus is returning, its almost a mental sickness.
 

Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened.  Read about it here:

Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!

Bro. Allan, 
I like what you said at the end of your opening post about those verses:
In addition to humanitarian (carnal things) aid, I would include sharing the Gospel with the Jews.  

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Romans 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Great post and topic Bro. Allan!
I do have a question about point #1:
I don't believe the Olive Tree represents the nation of Israel.  If the Olive Tree represented the nation of Israel, would that not mean that saved Gentiles would be grafted into the nation of Israel?  Wouldn't that teaching make the Body of Christ (which is mostly Gentile now) "spiritual" Jews and/or "spiritual" Israel?  Isn't that Replacement Theology or close to it?

Here's a link to a verse by verse study of the Book of Romans....I'm going to post the link to Chapter 11:
 http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/romans/romans11.htm
The context of the Olive Tree teaching actually begins in verse 16:
Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Romans 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Romans 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Romans 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
 
There is also a "theology" being taught in many Messianic and Hebrew Roots Congregations called "Olive Tree Theology".  It began with a Messianic Jew by the name of David  H. Stern who wrote The Complete Jewish Bible.  Here is the PDF link to what that is all about.  Supposedly that is other side of the Replacement Theology coin.
http://www.jiol.com/docs/olive_tree_theology.pdf
Gentiles do not become "spiritual" Jews when they get saved and neither does the Church become "spiritual" Israel.  The Church/Body of Christ is composed of born again Jews and Gentiles..."one new man" (Ephesians 2:15)

I hope I didn't take this thread off the topic, but it bothers me, as a born again Jew, that many Gentiles call themselves "spiritual" Jews and the Church, "spiritual" Israel when no such terms exist in Scriptures.  I believe that the blessings and curses of the Abrahamic Covenant still apply today.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Genesis 12:2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Bro. Allan, 
I like what you said at the end of your opening post about those verses:
In addition to humanitarian (carnal things) aid, I would include sharing the Gospel with the Jews.  

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Romans 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Romans 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Romans 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened.  Read about it here:

Shemita is over---But nothing happened
It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!