LindaR

Brethren,
Thank you for your fine discussions and fellowship. As a benediction to this thread on Patriotism I would like to conclude with the wonderful hymn, "God Be with till' we Meet Again."
May God bless and keep all of you.
Alan

It was everyone giving, yes.  But more was required of the widow than of the others.  They gave out of their abundance, she gave all.

And yes, He was pointing out that she was being robbed.  Mark 12:38-40 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

Jesus  was warning of religious leaders who, among other attrocities, were oppressing the widows, depriving them of what rightfully belonged to the widows.

Mark 12:41-44 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.


After warning of those unrighteous acts of the religious leaders, Jesus sat down across from the treasury and watched people give.  What was the purpose?  To show how the widows were being robbed.  More was required of them than of the rich that gave to the religious system.

There was no commending in that passage at all, only condemnation.

Malachi 3:10-11 has absolutely nothing to do with Mark 12:38-44.  Israel's tithes were agricultural, not monetary.  She was not tithing in the passage, nor were the rich.
 

The disrespect and the mocking tone of Genevanpreacher has caused me to ask the moderators to lock this thread. While I had to endure the disrespect and mocking I am the one who was publicly chastied for telling the truth while Genevanpreacher was allowed to mock me and belittle the Jewish race.
I am still requesting that this thread by locked.
Alan
 

I am 23, and about 3/4s done with college with no prospects right now, I am constantly battling the temptation to worry about it. But I simply claim Proverbs 2:5-6 and I keep trusting in the Lord. Having already tried multiple times to sort of "help God out" I have given up trying to find a wife for myself, Definitely don't get caught up trying to manufacture a relationship. God does everything better than we could ever do for ourselves, just look at salvation. It's as hopeless trying to manufacture a marriage in your own strength as it is to get to heaven. 

Invicta and fellow Brethren,
The prophecy of Jeremiah 29:28-32 and 30:1-3 has absolutly nothing to do with the prophecy of Jeremiah 30:7-10, "The Time of Jacob's Trouble."  The prophecy of Jeremiah 29:28-32 and 30:1-3 was indeed fulfilled after the captivity. As I proved irrefuteably, the prophecy of Jeremiah 30:7-10, "The time of Jacoob's Trouble," is still future. None, absolutly none, of the prophecies of Jeremiah 30:7-10 was fulfilled after the Bablylonian Captivity.
Alan
 
 
 
 

You know, Matt, given your comments in that other thread about salvation and these comments here now, it really does look like you're doing your uttermost to interpret folks' understanding of salvation on here as some kind of works salvation. I worry I'm overly jumpy when it comes to people trying to outline their beliefs about salvation--you seem to take it to another level.
Firstly, here's what the board's statement really says:
In blue is a section you hacked out of your quote. I don't see anything in this quote that could be interpreted as man having to stop committing sins in order to be saved. Do you mean something else when you say "quitting bad"?
Secondly, if you think a statement is unclear or you question its meaning, why not begin by politely asking for an explanation, instead of telling the author what they are saying in bold font?
And lastly, why do you want to be on an web forum where you find yourself challenging the mods to throw you off? Doesn't that suggest you consider yourself to be strongly at odds with everyone here, or at least the admin? If I thought I was enemy no.1 on a forum, I'd decide whether to change my behaviour in order to stay or else leave by myself.

"1,000's" implies two or more thousand.

Quite a remarkable amount of people.  Since you are so knowledgeable of the number of people that Anderson has "led to the Lord," how about providing proof of your claim?  Who are these "1,000's of people"? 

Seriously, I know you really do not have such knowledge, unless you are Anderson himself? 

However, given the hatred that I have heard from Anderson's sermons on more than one occasion, (remember his stating that he prays that Obama is killed?) I highly doubt Anderson has led anyone to the Lord at all.  He may have presented a false christ to people and people ate it up, but that he led them to the God of the Bible?  I highly doubt it. 

Matthew24,
You said, twice, that you were ready to answer my four questions but so far you have evaded asking them. Apparently, you are not seriously considering answering them but are ignoring them. I am not surprised as your posting reveals your answer.
You, along with pastor Anderson, are  is anti-Semitic. You, along with pastor Anderson, believe that Brother C.I. Scofield was an apostate and that anything that is connected with Zionism is inherently evil. According to Romans 11:25 both of you are  Pastor Anderson is spiritually blind, ignorant, and conceited concerning the mystery of the Jews, their temporary blindness, and ultimate restoration to God. As the elect of God part of the nation of Israel is saved and most are blinded to the Lord Jesus as the Messiah. In the video it is very apparent that pastor Anderson  has learned this anti-Semitism from Martin Luther. Anderson has believed the lies that Martin Luther taught about the Jews.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungdliness from Jacob" Romans 11:25
Because  of your blindness you   Andersons blindness he cannot properly interpret the "Time of Jacob's Trouble, " Revelation 6:1-19:21 and the events surrounding the rapture of the church. In the video Anderson ignores, yes, ignores, the prophecies concerning the Jews and the 'Time of Jacob's Trouble,'  Jeremiah 30:7, and many, many other prophecies that properly interprets the book of Revelation. Anderson, and you, is ignoring the scriptures and privately interpreting the sciptures as you he sees fit.
 Paul also concluded the book of Romans with the admonition to the saints what we should  do concerning those who  false teachers that are teaching doctrines contrary to the doctrines in the scriptures: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." Romans 16:17
Brethren,
In the interests of being more gracious, and being a public forum, I have stricken out the references to Matthew24 being anti-Semitic, and will keep that privately held opinion in abeyance. The rest of the post stands and I am still awaiting the answers promised by Matthew24. I will, "endure to the end."
I have though kept the references to Anderson being anti-semitic as it is not just my opinion but open knowledge.
Alan

I believe that Marc Monte preached those messages in 2007-2008.  Some of those messages were excellent exopositions on Isaiah 53...but I can't remember which ones they are.  He also did another series called God's GPS, which are messages on the Olivet Discourse.  Those were more recent. (2013-2014).  Here's the link to the first of 13 messages of God's GPS:
God's GPS: A Map to Future Events, Part 1

Marc Monte is the senior pastor of Faith Baptist Church (IFB) in Avon, Indiana.  In May, 2007, he began a 26 part series on "Prophecies of the Bible".   We have listened to 7 parts thus far and thus far, pastor Marc Monte's expository teaching of biblical prophecy has been excellent.  Here is the link from sermonaudio.com

Prophecies of the Bible
 
There are also some PDF sermon outlines for 7 of the sermons (#1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9).

Marc Monte is the senior pastor of Faith Baptist Church (IFB) in Avon, Indiana.  In May, 2007, he began a 26 part series on "Prophecies of the Bible".   We have listened to 7 parts thus far and thus far, pastor Marc Monte's expository teaching of biblical prophecy has been excellent.  Here is the link from sermonaudio.com

Prophecies of the Bible
 
There are also some PDF sermon outlines for 7 of the sermons (#1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, and 9).

Acts 20
27For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. 28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. 31Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. 32
 
They were teaching "perverse things" way back then, just like now. If those dudes were living today, they would be teaching heresies just like today. Some would be chauffeured in Bentleys and $46 million jets, "preaching" on TV in "Megachurches". Some would less conspicuously be teaching Calvinism or Arminianism in a little 60-member "Baptist" or Pentecostal church down the street. Not everything from the "olden times" was "old time religion": they were just as wicked as today. Beware.

Did he elaborate on why he considers the Lord Jesus Christ to be a socialist?
 
The Bible makes it pretty clear that God takes care of his children; whereas, the government uses its "children" to take care of the government in socialism.
The Bible also makes it pretty clear that God will reward his children for the work that they do; whereas, the government is rewarded by the work its "children" do in socialism.
The Bible also makes it pretty clear that not all of God's children will be rewarded the same for their work; whereas, the government treats its "children" the same regardless of their work in socialism.
The Bible also makes it pretty clear that the least will be greatest and the greatest will be least; whereas, the government is the greatest and its "children" are the least (and treated the same) in socialism.
 
At least, that's the supposed goal of Socialism. Everyone is treated the same, receives the same benefits, and enjoys the same rewards. It doesn't work, but the government likes it!
 
So what did the Lord Jesus Christ do that this professor deemed socialistic?
I know!
He offered himself as a sacrifice for everyone's sin. Everyone is the same...everyone is on common ground...everyone is a sinner in need of salvation.
 
Sorry Bro. Garry...probably not what you were looking for.
 

Thought: How we treat our most stubborn enemy is a commentary on how well we understand how God has treated us. Sadly, I am still learning to put into practice what I say I believe about the Amazing salvation I have so undeservingly received.

I heard Pastor anderson say the same thing, several times, and you say the same thing several times,we are not deaf. We know exactly what you are saying. You, and pastor Anderson are deceived in many areas: both doctrinally and spiritually.

Matthew24
In my estimation, you, and Pastor Anderson, are deceived in  many areas. Not only is your doctrine in error, but your total lack of civility is apalling. If one does not agree with you both you and pastor Anderson call them apostates without scriptural reasoning.
 

Not sure how much I'd want to listen to an ex-Jehovah Witness turned Anglican priest turned Mennonite/Amish/Brethren who collaborates with the Assembly of God...he might be fine, but still...
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David Bercot was raised as a Jehovah's Witness.[5] After leaving Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1976, he began his university education. He graduated from Stephen F. Austin State University summa cum laude,[6] and he obtained his Doctor of Jurisprudence degree cum laude from Baylor University School of Law.[7]
In 1985, Bercot began an in-depth study of the early Christians who lived before the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325. His studies started him on a spiritual pilgrimage.[8] In 1989, he wrote the book, Will the Real Heretics Please Stand Up, which sets forth some of the teachings and lifestyle of the early Christians.[9] That same year, he joined with an Assembly of God pastor to establish Scroll Publishing Company for the purpose of publishing various writings of the pre-Nicene Christians, as well as to publish other Christian books.[10]
Bercot’s studies of the early Christians brought him into contact and dialogue with three different branches of Christianity: the Anabaptists (Mennonites, Amish, Brethren),[11] the Anglican Church, and the churches of the Restoration Movement (Church of Christ, Disciples of Christ, International Church of Christ).[12] In 1985, after completing his religious studies through Cambridge University, Bercot was ordained as an Anglican priest.[13] However, he eventually left the Anglican Church and began fellowshipping with various Anabaptist churches.[14]
Today Bercot is a lecturer and author who emphasizes the simplicity of Biblical doctrine and early (ante-Nicene) Christian teaching over against what he would call the heavy and complex body of theological understandings that have built up over the centuries in churches and in academia and that have come to be thought of as orthodoxy. He is particularly notable for his deeply nonresistant understanding of Jesus's and New Testament teaching.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bercot
 

Matthew 24,
In the video Pastor Anderson plainly states that the same Messiah that the Muslims, Buddhists, and Jews look for is the same Messiah that the pre-tribulation rapture believers look for. And you say the same thing. This is a very serious accusation. It is also a false accusation and a slander.
 

Matthew24,
Texe Marrs, and Pastor Sam Adams, is your clear answer! Texe Marrs is a Charismatic, conspiracy theroist, rabid anti-Semitic, hater of the nation of Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texe_Marrs In my estimation Texe Marrs is a false prophet. Texe Marrs is definately not an independent Baptist.
There are three things that Texe Marrs has in common with Pastor Anderson.
1. His hatred of the Scofield Reference Bible.
2. His conspiracy theories against the United States of America.
3. His anti-Semitisim.
In fact, Texe Marrs is more anti-Semitic than Pastor Anderson.
I wanted a clear answer from you, not Texe Marrs, nor anything from Pastor Sam Adams ( I am already familiar with Pastor Adams).
Matthew24, again, I ask you, not somebody else, to answer the questions that I poised concerning the Scofield Reference Bible.
 
Can you please give me your, not somebody elses, clear, precise, answers to the above four questions. Broad answers are evasive answers. Please give exact, and appropriate,  scripture verse to prove exact reasons why Scofield is an apostate. As most who have studied the Scofield Reference Bible is knowledgeable with the shortcomings of it and Brother Scofield I am not seeking a debate on those issues.
Specifically, the first three questions deal with Zionism and the forth question is concerning Scofield being an apostate.
Alan
 
 
 

AdamL,
Thank you for your thoughts on 2 Corinthians 5:17. Sometimes all of us wonder about whether or not some of our converts are true converts or not. Most of the pastors and soul-winners I know are cautious on how they deal with people and only desire true conversions. As you have seen some notable examples of the sad condition of some converts I think all of us have experienced the same thing. I think, maybe, part of the problem is the open acceptance of immorality in our generation.
I think all of us need to encourage one another in this matter. As you concluded that only God knows the true condition of the converts and why fruit is not evidenced. In this situation I always think of Nahum 1:7, "The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him." May Nahum's words bless your heart.
Alan

Amen Bro. Alan!   The sequel to this documentary, Marching To Zion, is more of the same anti-semitic rhetoric as After The Tribulation.  It would be a waste of time to watch it.

Amen Bro. Alan!   The sequel to this documentary, Marching To Zion, is more of the same anti-semitic rhetoric as After The Tribulation.  It would be a waste of time to watch it.

Brethren,
I just finished watching the movie that Matthew 24 posted. The one hour and 53 miniutes of the movie was actually one hour and 53 minutes listening to the hereitic Steven Anderson lambasting those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.
The movie is not a movie; it is a series of sermons and  lectures by Pastor Steven Anderson and his co-host Pastor Roger Jimenez. On occasion, they have Brother Kent Hovind. What respect that I had for Kent Hovind is totally gone. I feel sorry for Kent. 
Also I listened to the anti-Semitic rant of Pastor Anderson on another audio clip that is on his website. Pastor Anderson is anti-semitic to the core.
The lecture / movie is a series of twisted logic and interpretation derived from Matthew 24 and Revelation. Andersons interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 is also pathetic and a waste of time.
During the entire video he completely ignores all of the Old Testament references to the time of, "Jacob's Trouble," or, "The 7 year Tribulation period," and totally ignores the promises of God pertaining to the Jews in the time of, "Jacob's trouble." Also, it is very obvious that Pastor Anderson believes in, "Replacement theology," and that the nation of Israel in not, I repeat, not the "elect," nor or ever will be.
Although Anderson slanders Darby and Scofield, he praises Luther and Calvin. "Birds of a feather flock together."
His hatred, yes hatred, of the pre-tribulation rapture is evident throughout the entire video.
Besides making snide remarks, slandering, and belittling those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture here are a few choice words that he gave to those brethren who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture:
1. Anderson says the pre-tribulation rapture is a False Doctrine.
2. Based on Tradition (Darby and Scofield). Not on the Bible.
3. The pre-tribulation rapture is, and I quote Andersons own words "A fairy tale."
4. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Do not believe the Bible."
5. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Have no heart for God."
6. Anderson plainly says that those who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture "Are brainwashed."
Also, Anderson plainly states that those mistaken brethren who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture are comparable to the Muslims, Buddhists, the Dali lama, and the Jews. In fact, Anderson says that those who believe in the pre-tribulation rapture will receive the anti-Christ as Jesus coming again.
In my estimation Pastor Anderson is anti-Semitic, cannot rightly divide the scriptures, a false teacher, and is causing harm to the independent Baptist fundamental movement.
Alan
 
 

The entire 7 year period of tribulation (aka Daniel's 70th week--Dainiel 9:24-27 and Time of Jacob's Trouble) is GOD'S WRATH.  Who is opening the seal judgments in Revelation 6---man or God? 
Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
The last two verses of Revelation 6 define the very beginning of this period as GOD'S  (the Lamb's) WRATH.

 Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The trials and tribulations Christians go through IN THIS WORLD are not the same as God's wrath during the Time of Jacob's Trouble.  This period of 7 years (Daniel's 70th Week) does not include the Church. 
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

The entire 7 year period of tribulation (aka Daniel's 70th week--Dainiel 9:24-27 and Time of Jacob's Trouble) is GOD'S WRATH.  Who is opening the seal judgments in Revelation 6---man or God? 
Revelation 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
The last two verses of Revelation 6 define the very beginning of this period as GOD'S  (the Lamb's) WRATH.

 Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
The trials and tribulations Christians go through IN THIS WORLD are not the same as God's wrath during the Time of Jacob's Trouble.  This period of 7 years (Daniel's 70th Week) does not include the Church. 
Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.