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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    Let's quote the account of the Widow's Mite from Luke's gospel:

    Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
    Luke 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
    Luke 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
    Luke 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
    Luke 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
    Luke 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury (husteresis) hath cast in all the living that she had.
    The word "penury" in verse 4 of Chapter 21 is the same Greek word as the word "want" in Mark 12:44--husteresis
    Strong's Greek Dictionary
    5304. υστερησις husteresis
    Search for G5304 in KJVSL υστερησις husteresis hoos-ter'-ay-sis
    a falling short, i.e. (specially), penury:—want.
    Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
    penury PEN'URY, n. L. penuria, from Gr. needy.
    Want of property; indigence; extreme poverty.
    All innocent they were exposed to hardship and penury.
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    The word "want" (husteresis) is also found in Philippians 4:11:
    Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want (husteresis): for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
    Therefore, the word "want" in Mark 12:44 does not mean "desire"....nor is there any indication in the text that the widow had a desire to give.
    BTW, the poor widow was not "tithing"....she was giving.  The Biblical tithe was never money.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in The Widow's Mites   
    Let's quote the account of the Widow's Mite from Luke's gospel:

    Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
    Luke 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
    Luke 21:1 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
    Luke 21:2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
    Luke 21:3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
    Luke 21:4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury (husteresis) hath cast in all the living that she had.
    The word "penury" in verse 4 of Chapter 21 is the same Greek word as the word "want" in Mark 12:44--husteresis
    Strong's Greek Dictionary
    5304. υστερησις husteresis
    Search for G5304 in KJVSL υστερησις husteresis hoos-ter'-ay-sis
    a falling short, i.e. (specially), penury:—want.
    Webster's 1828 Dictionary [K-Z]
    penury PEN'URY, n. L. penuria, from Gr. needy.
    Want of property; indigence; extreme poverty.
    All innocent they were exposed to hardship and penury.
    ******************************************
    The word "want" (husteresis) is also found in Philippians 4:11:
    Philippians 4:11 Not that I speak in respect of want (husteresis): for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
    Therefore, the word "want" in Mark 12:44 does not mean "desire"....nor is there any indication in the text that the widow had a desire to give.
    BTW, the poor widow was not "tithing"....she was giving.  The Biblical tithe was never money.
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in The Widow's Mites   
    I'm sorry, Alan. I have to agree with "Standing Firm" on the usage of the word "want". I know we aren't supposed to bring the Greek into it, but it denotes "neediness/poverty".   I do believe she desired (out of the goodness of her heart) to please the Lord, and she did desire to give something, just not everything.  Sorry if I have muddied the waters further, I just do agree with the "want" pertaining to her financial status/neediness.
     
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    The widow was not tithing.  We can know this for several reasons.
     
    1.  The Law was still in effect.  The Law would not end until Jesus' death on the cross.  Ephesians. 2:14-15; Colossians. 2:14
    2.  The Law said that God's holy tithe was to be agricultural, not monetary.  Leviticus 27:30-33
    3.  Even if the widow had a farm to tithe from, she would not have tithed to the Temple.  She would have taken her tithe to the Levites in the farming community instead.  Numbers 18:24-28; Nehemiah 10:37-38
    4.  Only Temple staff tithed to the Temple.  Nehemiah 10:37-38
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in The Widow's Mites   
    Tithing was a Levitical law. We (saved/church/bride) are not under the law but under grace. I come under fire for this belief often, yet I believe that's exactly what the bible teaches. Now that is not to say we shouldn't give to the church. But we are not obligated to a 10% tithe.  We should give from a cheerful heart (not grudgingly). I heard one preacher tell his congregation: "If you have unpaid bills, you better not be putting money into the plate".  I agree... when bills are manageable then give (willingly) and if you have looming taxes or utility bills needing paid... pay those first. And it would also depends on each person's walk with the Lord... as they are led by the Holy Spirit. Some years I have given a lot more than other years, it depended on true expenses (not talking about wants, but needs) and other years there wasn't as much to give. God knows the hearts/minds and situations. He meets the needs. 
    2 Corinthians 9:7 "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver."
    I notice the words "or of necessity" , that shows that churches should not demand a set percentage of income (once again, we are not under Levitical law). But it also doesn't mean "give nothing", I'm not saying that at all... because "God loveth a cheerful giver". 
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
     
     
    What's strange is, I follow the same when determining what scripture teaches. Yet, when I "use all the scriptures together", I see that the Bible teaches things that will literally happen. When I study "the whole set of scriptures" to get "the whole doctrinal picture", I see clearly that the Bible teaches things that will literally happen.
    Hence, though I'm not Pastor Markle, yes...I can define regeneration...and I can define it in the context in which it is used.
    Matthew 19:28
    And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
    Now, from what I can tell, you seem to agree that the Lord Jesus Christ will one day (in the future) literally sit on a throne. Why is his throne literal, but the other thrones aren't? On to "regeneration"...
    You are applying regeneration to personal salvation; of which, a person who is born again is definitely regenerated. However, this verse isn't referring to personal regeneration. Please note that the wording is...in THE regeneration. Christ isn't talking about the disciples personal regeneration. He's talking about a specific regeneration that will occur when he sits on his throne. He's talking about the regeneration that will happen to the earth during his reign on earth...when things return to how they were on earth before man sinned...the lion will lie down with the lamb, long-physical life, etc. He's talking about how the earth will undergo a regeneration during his literal 1,000 year reign on earth.
    ...and during THAT regeneration (as the verse above teaches along with all of scripture used together and using the whole set of scriptures to get the whole doctrinal picture)...during THAT regeneration, the Lord Jesus Christ will sit on his throne, and the apostles will sit on twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel...literally.
    So, no...you're not in the regeneration Genevan.
    I only have one last question to ask you; after this, I won't ask you any more questions.
    You've made your position clear. You say that you aren't a replacement theology adherent; however, it's clear that you are...at least it is to me. If nothing else, you've replaced literal Bible interpretation with spiritual interpretation. So my final question to you is...
    What is your purpose for being here on Online Baptist?
    If you follow all of scripture as you claim, the Bible is clear that you shouldn't fellowship with people here...unless that's not literal either.
     
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Covenant/replacement, whichever YOU prefer to call it... requires much twisting and omission of large amounts of the word of God. YOU may feel I am erroneous in "particular verses", but if I do err... it is in taking the word of God LITERALLY... God meant what was said and said what was meant by GOD!  God didn't make any mistakes in His wording. No mere human knows more than God did when He inspired His words of the bible... to make such claims as you did in reference to Jesus' words: "Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?"
    You do not believe Jesus meant the actual words He said, and yet earlier you made this statement directed at me: "Your verses here are the usual 'hype' from 'unstudied' content, just rattled off from previous teachers 'of the word', that teach a bunch of mumbo jumbo and tell the sheeple what to believe instead of just accepting the pure word of God from HIS writings."
    So which is it? Either you accept "the pure words of God from His writings" as you first claimed, or is it that you believe "another thing is being taught by the Lord" than what His very words actually said.
     
    Lastly you called me mean-spirited. Who made these condescendingly snide remarks? It wasn't I, it was you who said:
    Towards Alan: "One unfounded opinion, Alan. Sorry to hear this of you." 
    Toward Pastor Markle: "The important thing is 'what does Markle think it means?',  which implies something of major importance. Evidently."
    Towards me: "You have plenty to learn in making statements like this in a public forum.
    Towards Alan: "You are not paying attention Alan. So unlike you"
    Towards No Nicolaitans: "Oh yeah, and this might be a clue NN - "
    Towards No Nicolaitans: "That man enough for you?"
    Towards No Nicolaitans: "Sounds like a question. Am I missing something?"                                                                                                                              Towards me: " your record is not good enough to condemn my view "
    Towards me: " "Your verses here are the usual 'hype' from 'unstudied' content, just rattled off from previous teachers 'of the word', that teach a bunch of mumbo jumbo and tell the sheeple what to believe"
     
     
     
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
     
    Hmmm. wonder why JESUS would say this:
    Matthew 19:27 "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
    28 "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
    Pastor Markle has rightly brought this question to you repeatedly... your answer is still astounding! According to YOU, the actual words of Christ do NOT mean what they SAY??? You claim others here "twist" words??? Once again... astounding! The very essence of "replacement theology" is twisting and omitting HUGE chunks of scripture.  Not just old testament scripture, but the very words of Jesus!  Yet you say... "Maybe another thing is being taught by the Lord?"   Are you kidding? Jesus didn't know what He was saying? Blasphemy.
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    LindaR reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Some PDFs Generated by the Debate over Daniel 9:24-27   
    For those who may be interested, I have compiled and formatted some PDFs from material that was generated by the debate over Daniel 9:24-27.  These PDFs would include:
    1.  My own commentary on Daniel 9:24-27
    2.  My own comments concerning Romans 11:25-27
    3.  The debate itself
    4.  My defense of grammatical analysis in Bible study
    5.  My article concerning God's covenants and the land promises
    6.  A comparison of parallels between Matthew 24:1-35; Mark 13:1-31; and Luke 21:5-33
    It was my desire to upload these PDFs directly into this thread on Online Baptist; however, it appears that I am unable to do so because of their size.
    Therefore, if you are interested in these PDFs, they may be found at the following link:  http://www.shepherdingtheflock.com/PDF.html.
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in A form of Spiritual Blindness   
    I agree, Genevan. There will be many people who relied on good works and rituals instead of the only one who can save them... Jesus. 
    John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
    Ephesians 2: 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God":
    9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
    Matthew 7:13  "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:"
    14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
    15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
    16 "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"    
    And yes, the rest of Matthew 7 addresses those types of false fruits.  Very thankful for the rock of solid ground in Jesus! As Matthew 7:25-27 addresses, and like the old hymn goes... "On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand".
     
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
     
    While I do agree that Matthew 5:17 clearly states that YES Jesus has fulfilled the prophesies in salvation in verse 17
    I do not agree that "all has been fulfilled" in verse 18. Not one jot or tittle should pass until when? Till heaven an earth pass. AND Till all be fulfilled.
    Heaven and earth have not passed away, and ALL has not been fulfilled, as there are many prophecies yet to be fulfilled in the end days. 
    Matthew 5:17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
    18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." 
    Here is were I do have (yet another) point of contention:
     
    Genevan took the phrase:  "from the law, till all be fulfilled"   which is part of verse 18
    He then stated that verse 18 is "speaking about Jesus Christ fulfilling the sacrifices of the Law to take care of our sin issue."
    I contend that yes, verse 17 clearly speaks to Christ fulfilling the sacrifices of the law to take care of our sin issue.  Jesus came (the first time) as the sacrificial lamb, the perfect blood atonement for the salvation which the law could not do.
    However, verse 18 does not. Heaven and earth have not passed away and ALL has not (yet) been fulfilled. 
    18  "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." 
    SO please clarify for me, Alan, since you said you have no bone of contention with Genevan.... Do you believe that ALL has been fulfilled? And that heaven and earth have passed away? (as shown in verse 18) Because there are SEVERAL prophecies which have not yet been fulfilled.  
     
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    I don't consider the very word of God "fatuous".  What one might have eaten for supper or the latest score of a sports game... those would be silly or inconsequential questions, but questions about the word of God are certainly not "fatuous".  I revere the word of God.  God certainly doesn't consider His word to be "fatuous":
    In reading Matthew 5, Jesus spoke to His disciples in verses 13-16 about being the salt of the earth and the light of the world. Do you not find it interesting (I do) that directly after those verses (13-16) comes verses 17 & 18:
    17 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
    18  "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."
    It strikes me as I read this that in order to be the salt and the light, Jesus includes the importance of accuracy. I have studied on "jots and tittles", what I found was not what I expected... the jot (yodh) is the smallest letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The "tittle" is a decorative mark drawn on the upper right edge of the "jot" (yodh).
    You can see clearly why Jesus wouldn't want the letter (jot) to be taken out, but even more amazingly, He didn't want the "tittle" to be taken out either. Not even the smallest letter or even its decorative spur will ever disappear from the "God Breathed" Word until all is fulfilled. 
    How important is it that God's word remain accurate? 
    Here's how important the Word of God is: 
    God has magnified His Word above His name!!! What a profound statement! (Psalm 138:2)
    The Word of God (in Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among men! (John 1:14)
    How long has the Word been with God? Since the beginning! (John 1:1)
    John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
    John 1:14 "14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
    Psalm 138:2 "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name."
    So, according to God's own Holy Word... Jesus placed a very high emphasis on not only the jot but the tittle as well (the decorative tiny mark)... it leads me to feel confident, Jesus would not want entire words left out either. 
    To be honest, the lack of reverence to the word of God (being called a fatuous question!) is a direct affront on the word of God and on God Himself.  I have been called many names in my lifetime, and have managed to overcome the hurt and/or anger (with God's help and grace). I have learned to turn the other cheek often times (not always, but again, I bring it to the Lord).  But one thing I cannot stand is someone mocking the word of God.The anger I feel in such circumstances (I believe) is a righteous anger.  It's not because of the offense towards myself, nor towards another brother or sister, that concerns me the most (although there is some concern about that as well). It's the direct affront on the holiness of God's word. If you chose that particular word to outrage those who believe the word of God says what  it means and means what it says... you have gotten your intended reaction. But I would be much more concerned with offending God than offending mankind. And it makes me wonder.... I could say much more... but then I would be feeding fleshy desires. And so I will finish this statement by saying I will pray for you, and most certainly not a fatuous prayer!
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    "But now is my Kingdom not from hence."
     
    'But my Kingdom is not from hence."
     
    There is most assuredly a difference.  The word "now" indicates a specific time frame.  The present time in which Christ Jesus was speaking.  This leaves toom for a coming Kingdom,... a Kingdom that the Word of God declares is to come.
     
    Why would Jesus even teach His Disciples to pray, "Thy Kingdom come" if His Kingdom would not be established on Earth at a future time?
     
    Hence, the necessity of the word "now" in John 18:36. 
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    LindaR reacted to Alan in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    You said the above: "The text is speaking about Jesus Christ fulfilling the sacrifices of the Law to take care of our sin issue." That, referring to the salvation of our soul, is not the context. The context of the conversation of Christ and Pilate is the coming kingdom.
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Very good study, Linda! Those who attempt to steal the blessings of Israel (yet strangely deny any of the curses) have to twist, spiritualize, and even omit massive amounts of scripture to do so. They pluck out a verse or two, entirely out of context, and apply it to themselves (when the contextual scripture proves their theory wrong). I am amazed by the people who refuse to believe that God said what He meant, and meant what He said.
    Romans 11 speaks clearly to the fact that  God has not permanently cast off Israel. He has future plans for them. Not only do the replacement theologists throw out huge chunks of OT scripture, they also have to throw out Romans 11 (and others) as well.  I revere the word of God. What's more, I fear God, and wouldn't knowingly twist scripture to mean something other than what it clearly states. 
    Again, Excellent study, Linda!
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   

    Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
    Genesis 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
    Genesis 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
    Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
    Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
    Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
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    Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
    Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    God counted Abram’s belief in the LORD for RIGHTEOUSNESS. It really never says that Abraham was saved…but counted as “righteous”.
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    How is the Term Israel
    Used in the New Testament?
    Covenant and reformed theologians believe that New Testament believers, including saved Gentiles, are the true Israel of God. Is it really Biblical to refer to Gentile believers as Israelites? Has God created a “new Israel” that is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles of this present age?
    Let us search the Scriptures to see if these things be so. We will examine the 73 times in the New Testament where the term “Israel” is used. How does the New Testament use this term? Is it ever used of the church in general or saved Gentiles in particular?
    The following article is taken from the book Israelology–the Missing Link in Systematic Theology, by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum. It is used with his permission.
    CONCLUSION
    For Dispensational Israelology, the conclusion is that the Church is never called, and is not, a “spiritual Israel” or a “new Israel.” The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular.
    The Israel of God of Galatians 6:16
     
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    Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
    Genesis 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
    Genesis 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
    Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
    Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
    Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
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    Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
    Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    God counted Abram’s belief in the LORD for RIGHTEOUSNESS. It really never says that Abraham was saved…but counted as “righteous”.
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    How is the Term Israel
    Used in the New Testament?
    Covenant and reformed theologians believe that New Testament believers, including saved Gentiles, are the true Israel of God. Is it really Biblical to refer to Gentile believers as Israelites? Has God created a “new Israel” that is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles of this present age?
    Let us search the Scriptures to see if these things be so. We will examine the 73 times in the New Testament where the term “Israel” is used. How does the New Testament use this term? Is it ever used of the church in general or saved Gentiles in particular?
    The following article is taken from the book Israelology–the Missing Link in Systematic Theology, by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum. It is used with his permission.
    CONCLUSION
    For Dispensational Israelology, the conclusion is that the Church is never called, and is not, a “spiritual Israel” or a “new Israel.” The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular.
    The Israel of God of Galatians 6:16
     
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    Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
    Genesis 15:2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
    Genesis 15:3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
    Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
    Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
    Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
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    Romans 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
    Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
    Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
    God counted Abram’s belief in the LORD for RIGHTEOUSNESS. It really never says that Abraham was saved…but counted as “righteous”.
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    How is the Term Israel
    Used in the New Testament?
    Covenant and reformed theologians believe that New Testament believers, including saved Gentiles, are the true Israel of God. Is it really Biblical to refer to Gentile believers as Israelites? Has God created a “new Israel” that is composed of believing Jews and Gentiles of this present age?
    Let us search the Scriptures to see if these things be so. We will examine the 73 times in the New Testament where the term “Israel” is used. How does the New Testament use this term? Is it ever used of the church in general or saved Gentiles in particular?
    The following article is taken from the book Israelology–the Missing Link in Systematic Theology, by Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum. It is used with his permission.
    CONCLUSION
    For Dispensational Israelology, the conclusion is that the Church is never called, and is not, a “spiritual Israel” or a “new Israel.” The term “Israel” is either used of the nation or the people as a whole, or of the believing remnant within. It is never used of the Church in general or of Gentile believers in particular.
    The Israel of God of Galatians 6:16
     
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    LindaR reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Brother "Invicta,"
    I notice that in such discussions as this, you like to bring forward the above verse - John 18:36. 
    Concerning this verse I wish to ask you a question -- What is the meaning of the word "now" in the closing line of John 18:36?
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    To address 2 items first: 1. Invicta said that I speak of persecutions, However, what I said was this: "  If "the world" has it's way, then soon NONE of us will be able to talk openly about biblical matters without fear of legal ramifications.  I intend to use as much time as I can (God willing) and as long as I am physically capable to use my voice and hands to do so (God willing),  to study and fellowship with other Christians as well. "  And Invicta also said " in the US you have not had persecution " And I must differ with his opinion also in the fact of a recent school shooting where a muslim student killed several Christian students, asking them first if they were, in fact, Christians before shooting them. Our US president didn't mention this fact, but when on to spew his anti-gun rhetoric. And to state that "you have not had persecutions" is assuming quite a lot. 
    And 2nd: It's quite obvious that Invicta and I disagree about Luke 9:27 as well as Matthew 16:28. I already made my belief known, and so did Invicta. Rather than beat a dead horse (the discussion, not the person) I would like to return the the original topic of this thread, which was titled " Jesus' coming Kingdom on land " , I would like to further that line of discussion, as to it being on actual physical land. 
    I agree with "Mountain Christian" as that there will be a kingdom on earth, and the verses chosen are also relevant. I would like to also include more to strengthen the fact that the millennial kingdom will be on earth.
    I also agree with Linda: There is no place in scripture which states thatsaved Gentiles become "spiritual Jews". I also agree with LInda in her selection of scripture, and specifically Revelation 5:10 tells us it will be on earth!
    I also agree with "Beam me up" (and thank you for including the map!) as to the actual physical land allotment in the millennium.
    The bible gives clear reference to the borders and how the land of Israel will be partitioned by tribe in the millennial period in Ezekiel 47-48
    Ezekiel 47:13 "Thus saith the Lord God; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel...
    I am not going to quote both chapters here as we all have our own bibles. The scripture is very specific... actual land (on earth) and specific measurements as well as specific to each of the tribes of Israel.
    Further, there are many other places in the bible which pertain to the millennial period:
    THE MILLENIAL REIGN IS A PERIOD OF 1000 YEARS
    Revelation 20:2" And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison..."
    ***Notice the term "thousand years", not just once, but SEVERAL times. 
    THE MILLENNIAL REIGN IS ON EARTH:
    Jeremiah 30:3 "3 For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it."
    **Notice the words used... not just "my people", but "my people Israel and Judah" and the word LAND is also used.
    Jeremiah 30:9 "9 But they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them."
    10 "Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid."
    Hosea 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
    5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.
    VERY SPECIFIC WORDING in reference to ZION and Jacob (as we should know, Jacob was renamed Israel in Genesis 32:28 and is reiterated in Genesis 35:9-10)
    Jeremiah 30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the Lord; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
    18 Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
    19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
    20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.
    **I can see NO WAY this could mean anything OTHER than what the word of God specifically said. There are numerous specific references to Israel throughout scripture which cannot be refuted without corrupting/changing/twisting the word of God. 
    Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
    15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
    16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.
    THIS IS AN IRREVOCABLE AND UNCONDITIONAL PROMISE TO ISRAEL:
    Jeremiah 33:14 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will perform that good thing which I have promised unto the house of Israel and to the house of Judah.
    HOW SERIOUS IS GOD ABOUT THIS PROMISE?
    Jeremiah 33:25 Thus saith the Lord; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
    26 Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
    Ezekiel 34:22 "Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle."
    23 "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd".
    and 30 "Thus shall they know that I the Lord their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord God."                      Ezekiel 37:24 "And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them."
    I am sure I could find much more scripture to reference the truth of the 1000 year millennial period yet to come. The sheer volume of scripture written about it speaks to the importance God placed upon this promise to Israel. Why would anyone want to erroneously claim the blessings God made to Israel for themselves, and yet leave out the curses as applying to themselves as well?  God has made many promises to Israel which have not yet been fulfilled. God does not lie! God has not cast away Israel forever. Romans 11 speaks clearly to this also. 
     
     
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    LindaR reacted to Alan in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Ronda,
    Thank you very much for bringing us back on topic concerning, "Jesus' coming Kingdom on land," and the study on the Millennial reign of Christ to prove that one day, soon, I hope, that the Lord Jesus will literally reign in His Kingdom on the land of Israel. It has been refreshing indeed to read your lesson.
    Please keep up the good work.
    Alan
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    Jesus Christ will return to this earth to destroy all the nations that come against Israel at the battle of Armageddon and then He will set up His 1,000 year earthly reign from Jerusalem.
    Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
    Zechariah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    Zechariah 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    We (the redeemed) will reign with Christ on the earth

    Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    "Us spiritual Jews"?????????  Where in Scripture do you find that term?  Saved Gentiles do not become "spiritual" Jews!  
    Many use Romans 2:28-29 to justify that saved Gentiles become "spiritual" Jews.  Salvation does not change one's ethnicity.  Saved Gentiles remain Gentiles and saved Jews remain Jews.  Gentiles have never become one of the tribes of the children of Israel.  However saved Jews and unsaved Jews, as physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel, have always belonged to one of the tribes of the children of Israel.
    There are 3 groups of peoples in Scripture: Jews, Gentiles, and the church of God. (1 Cor. 10:32)
    1 Corinthians 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
    There are unsaved Jews, unsaved Gentiles and the Church of God, composed of saved Jews and Gentiles. 
    In Christ, there is neither Jew or Gentile.
    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    The Body of Christ is one new man....no distinctions made in Christ:
    Ephesians 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    Ephesians 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Scientific Facts in the Bible.   
    I agree! And what's more, is that God tells us that mankind is without excuse because His creation speaks of His existence and Godhead.  Those who attempt to pervert factual science with supposition and conjecture (such as "the big bang theory", "evolving from amoeba in pond scum" and even "global warming" nonsense) are not only in grave error, but God's word says that His creation and Godhead are clearly seen by mankind. 
    Romans 1 
    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    So what does God do to those who willfully pervert the truth of God's creation and Godhead? He gives them over to a reprobate mind and furthermore to vile affections. I believe it is no coincidence that homosexuality has become so widespread... after public schools started teaching "evolution" (an unscientific falsehood). I see the link to this in the chapter of Romans 1
     
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    LindaR got a reaction from Alan in Hagee's Haggle...   
    Bro. Dan....
    As of August 3, 2014, Hagee has not recanted:

    The John Hagee Deception: Jesus not the Messiah for the Jews
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