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Reading from great preachers of past centuries most consulted the Greek and Hebrew, doing so with the intent of better understanding why a particular English word was used or how to better understand the meaning.
As most know, in the modern era it seems most consult the Greek and Hebrew with the intent of trying to find a way to make a portion of Scripture say something more to their liking. Thus we get those annoying preachers who love to say the KJ translators did it wrong, but they know the right word that should be used. That and those study Bible notes which say something to the effect of "a better translation would be _____."
The prevalence of those seeking to change the meaning of the KJB has cast a dark shadow even upon those seeking to do as previous generations did in seeking a clearer understanding of the KJB, not a different understanding.

Let's not forget that America was supposed to be a Republic, not a Democracy. The Founders warned that democracy was the worst form of government. A democracy tends to be short lived for once a 51% group or coalition realizes they can control the government and everyone in it, the 49% will find themselves oppressed. The end result is never good.
Our Founders advocated for good trade relations with all who were willing and entangling alliances with none.
It was democratic elections which placed the Muslim Brotherhood in control of Egypt (which the military stepped in with a de facto coup to end that); and placed terrorists in leadership over the so-called Palestinians.
It's America's change to democracy which has brought America to the sad shape she is in today.
While the resolution sounds good, even the article points out no action is associated with it. As we know, modern era presidents drive foreign policy according to their views.
If China invaded Taiwan tomorrow would America declare war on a nuclear armed China that holds a great deal of American debt and who is such a large provider of what fills American stores? What would Japan say, knowing an American war with China would mean Japan would become a target of China? What would South Korea say when China tells North Korea to go on full stand-by for war? That's just the tip of the iceberg.
America is over 19 trillion dollars in debt. The American military has been cut back to very low post WWII levels in many areas. Few, if any, allies of America would give support to a war with China. We also have to consider much of the nation is war weary and add to that the deep divisions across America which have greatly grown and intensified during the time of the current administration.
America is not in a good position at this time to engage in war with a major power.
I love America, but our country is very sick and in need of serious attention towards healing and recuperation and restoration.

What I've seen over the past ten years or so has shown me, at least now, it's rare one spouse determined to follow the Lord will greatly sway the one who has decided not to. Our pastor has commented on this and he believes the devil is really targeting marriage for destruction. On the broader sense we can see this with the push for "homosexual marriage", calls for other perverse forms of "marriage" and the total redefinition of what constitutes a marriage and even a family.
Closer at home we see many marriages, even long term marriages, come under assault. Many not only go through tough times, they divorce. In the area I live it seems most often it's the wife the devil targets. All too often this leads to divorce.
I would ask for prayer in this area myself. It seems my own wife is going through a midlife crisis or change of life or whatever they call it these days. In talking with my pastor about this he mentioned many others going through this, and some who have been through this and for many divorce was the result. I hadn't realized so many couples in their early 50s were having problems and so many had come to divorce.

There must be some measure of confusion in the way Cloud puts forth matters regarding repentance, at least some of the time. I've noticed there have been several times Cloud has responded to people on this issue. It seems many read his thoughts on this, think he is promoting a form of Lordship Salvation, and write him about it. Cloud answers, saying he doesn't believe in Lordship Salvation but in his attempt to clarify his view of repentance it seems many are yet confused and the cycle repeats itself.
I firmly believe repentance is necessary, too many leave this out. There is a line between those who say repentance means a full turning from sin before one can be saved, and biblical repentance. This line sometimes is blurred. Even trying to explain what Scripture says of repentance can be done in a manner that confuses people.
Cloud says he doesn't believe in Lordship Salvation, but I've read some of his statements on repentance and I can see how some could come away thinking otherwise.
As for Clouds "arrogance" and such; it seems big Cloud supporters don't see it so much, those who like Cloud in general see it but mostly ignore it, but those unfamiliar with him often seem to be hit in the face with it. I've had many people I've pointed to an article by Cloud who said they couldn't get around his arrogance/pride/ego to get anything good from his article.
I like much of Cloud's stuff, especially his older stuff. While I still point some to his older material, I've found it counter productive to point them to his more recent writings.
On the point James raises, while I don't agree with a 100% ban on anything outside what a person gets in their church, I do believe much caution is in order. Outside material shouldn't be a persons main source of learning, which should come from Scripture reading and study and sermons and teachings at their church.
Any outside material which contradicts, even seemingly, what a persons pastor teaches should be discussed with the pastor for clarification on the matter. Unless a person is a mature Christian, and even then to an extent, it would be wise to ask the pastor for a list of books they believe would benefit them rather than just pulling a book from a shelf somewhere.
Unfortunately, the issue James raises is a serious problem in many churches. It seems some congregations are filled with those who will devour a Rick Warren book (just an example), apply that to their lives, but couldn't give even a basic idea of what their pastor has been preaching on.

Exodus 16:8
And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord.

Reading from great preachers of past centuries most consulted the Greek and Hebrew, doing so with the intent of better understanding why a particular English word was used or how to better understand the meaning.
As most know, in the modern era it seems most consult the Greek and Hebrew with the intent of trying to find a way to make a portion of Scripture say something more to their liking. Thus we get those annoying preachers who love to say the KJ translators did it wrong, but they know the right word that should be used. That and those study Bible notes which say something to the effect of "a better translation would be _____."
The prevalence of those seeking to change the meaning of the KJB has cast a dark shadow even upon those seeking to do as previous generations did in seeking a clearer understanding of the KJB, not a different understanding.

Reading from great preachers of past centuries most consulted the Greek and Hebrew, doing so with the intent of better understanding why a particular English word was used or how to better understand the meaning.
As most know, in the modern era it seems most consult the Greek and Hebrew with the intent of trying to find a way to make a portion of Scripture say something more to their liking. Thus we get those annoying preachers who love to say the KJ translators did it wrong, but they know the right word that should be used. That and those study Bible notes which say something to the effect of "a better translation would be _____."
The prevalence of those seeking to change the meaning of the KJB has cast a dark shadow even upon those seeking to do as previous generations did in seeking a clearer understanding of the KJB, not a different understanding.

Let's not forget that America was supposed to be a Republic, not a Democracy. The Founders warned that democracy was the worst form of government. A democracy tends to be short lived for once a 51% group or coalition realizes they can control the government and everyone in it, the 49% will find themselves oppressed. The end result is never good.
Our Founders advocated for good trade relations with all who were willing and entangling alliances with none.
It was democratic elections which placed the Muslim Brotherhood in control of Egypt (which the military stepped in with a de facto coup to end that); and placed terrorists in leadership over the so-called Palestinians.
It's America's change to democracy which has brought America to the sad shape she is in today.
While the resolution sounds good, even the article points out no action is associated with it. As we know, modern era presidents drive foreign policy according to their views.
If China invaded Taiwan tomorrow would America declare war on a nuclear armed China that holds a great deal of American debt and who is such a large provider of what fills American stores? What would Japan say, knowing an American war with China would mean Japan would become a target of China? What would South Korea say when China tells North Korea to go on full stand-by for war? That's just the tip of the iceberg.
America is over 19 trillion dollars in debt. The American military has been cut back to very low post WWII levels in many areas. Few, if any, allies of America would give support to a war with China. We also have to consider much of the nation is war weary and add to that the deep divisions across America which have greatly grown and intensified during the time of the current administration.
America is not in a good position at this time to engage in war with a major power.
I love America, but our country is very sick and in need of serious attention towards healing and recuperation and restoration.

Reading from great preachers of past centuries most consulted the Greek and Hebrew, doing so with the intent of better understanding why a particular English word was used or how to better understand the meaning.
As most know, in the modern era it seems most consult the Greek and Hebrew with the intent of trying to find a way to make a portion of Scripture say something more to their liking. Thus we get those annoying preachers who love to say the KJ translators did it wrong, but they know the right word that should be used. That and those study Bible notes which say something to the effect of "a better translation would be _____."
The prevalence of those seeking to change the meaning of the KJB has cast a dark shadow even upon those seeking to do as previous generations did in seeking a clearer understanding of the KJB, not a different understanding.

There must be some measure of confusion in the way Cloud puts forth matters regarding repentance, at least some of the time. I've noticed there have been several times Cloud has responded to people on this issue. It seems many read his thoughts on this, think he is promoting a form of Lordship Salvation, and write him about it. Cloud answers, saying he doesn't believe in Lordship Salvation but in his attempt to clarify his view of repentance it seems many are yet confused and the cycle repeats itself.
I firmly believe repentance is necessary, too many leave this out. There is a line between those who say repentance means a full turning from sin before one can be saved, and biblical repentance. This line sometimes is blurred. Even trying to explain what Scripture says of repentance can be done in a manner that confuses people.
Cloud says he doesn't believe in Lordship Salvation, but I've read some of his statements on repentance and I can see how some could come away thinking otherwise.
As for Clouds "arrogance" and such; it seems big Cloud supporters don't see it so much, those who like Cloud in general see it but mostly ignore it, but those unfamiliar with him often seem to be hit in the face with it. I've had many people I've pointed to an article by Cloud who said they couldn't get around his arrogance/pride/ego to get anything good from his article.
I like much of Cloud's stuff, especially his older stuff. While I still point some to his older material, I've found it counter productive to point them to his more recent writings.
On the point James raises, while I don't agree with a 100% ban on anything outside what a person gets in their church, I do believe much caution is in order. Outside material shouldn't be a persons main source of learning, which should come from Scripture reading and study and sermons and teachings at their church.
Any outside material which contradicts, even seemingly, what a persons pastor teaches should be discussed with the pastor for clarification on the matter. Unless a person is a mature Christian, and even then to an extent, it would be wise to ask the pastor for a list of books they believe would benefit them rather than just pulling a book from a shelf somewhere.
Unfortunately, the issue James raises is a serious problem in many churches. It seems some congregations are filled with those who will devour a Rick Warren book (just an example), apply that to their lives, but couldn't give even a basic idea of what their pastor has been preaching on.

A big problem in such abusive relationships, is that, probably 90% of the time, the relationship from the beginning shows signs that it will, or might, be that way. When people are still dating/courting, and there are loud angry arguments, when the man is already a jerk at times, well it isn't going to get better. yet too often, women figure that true love will overcome all and he will change. Nope, generally doesn't happen. And men can do the same thing, go into a relationship with a loud, angry woman, thinking it will change in marriage-nope, doesn't happen-in both situations it WILL get worse. And if one is that way and claims to be born again, that should send up a red flag that maybe they're not what they say they are.
The point of dating is to find a mate, someone that is who and what you believe you need in your life. Sadly I think we adults haven't done a good job teaching our kids to look successfully for a spouse, probably because we didn't learn til later in life what would be the best way. Now, with young people in our church, I tell them, Make a list, write it down, of the things you are looking for in a wife/husband. Make a section of non-negatiables, and a section of 'would prefer but can live without'. And stick to your list when you date. If they don't fit the non-negotiables, don't extend the relationship. And always ALWAYS find someone who loves the Lord and goes to church without having to be cajoled.  

Our pastors generally start from the position that if you are a Christian, first and foremost, don't even think of dating a non-Christian. Along with this, if there is anything about a person that makes you know you wouldn't want to be married to them, don't date them.
We tend to face the dual problem of our culture, even within most churches, telling youth to enjoy life, play, have fun, don't rush to be an adult...while there is also pressure to start "dating" at ever younger ages, to "experiment", enjoy as much as you can, for as long as you can.
The more traditional, as well as biblical, approach is for youth to be specifically trained to become adults, to become responsible people as soon as they are able. Along with this, "dating" was specifically for the pursuit of marriage and starting ones own family; typically shortly after being consider as an adult.
Combating modern "date for fun, excitement and entertainment" while holding on to pre-adulthood as long as possible, is a difficult task when our youth may only be in church once or twice a week. Too many parents follow the model of wanting to be Christian but wanting to fit in with the culture around them too. This is much like ancient Israel who so often resorted to wanting to be like other nations while still claiming to be good Jews.
Back to my original paragraph, if we can't get this through to youth and other singles we (and they) will be faced with the many other problems associated with mass dating of anyone who appeals to them.
As well, if parents won't accept or instruct these matters in accord with Scripture, there is only so much those of us involved in ministry can do.

Donald Trump: “I Will Appoint Supreme Court Judges Who Will be Pro-Life”
When it comes to abortion, for pro-life voters there is no more important issue in the presidential election than who will control the appointment process for one or more Supreme Court judges who will determine the fate of abortion for decades. And on that point, Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, told Bill O’Reilly he would name pro-life judges to the highest court.
Asked what he would do to protect the “sanctity of human life,” Trump said it starts with the Supreme Court. “I will protect it and the biggest way to protect it is through the Supreme Court and putting people in the court — and actually the biggest way to protect is electing me as president,” he said.
Trump went on to say that he favored overturning Roe v. Wade and that, “I will appoint Supreme Court judges who will be pro-life.” His comments, along with hiring a pro-life advocate as his domestic policy director, will go along way to assuring pro-life voters they can consider him in November.
If Trump is the nominee, he would present a stark contrast on abortion to pro-abortion Democrat Hillary Clinton.
Trump has specifically promised he would sign a bill as president to de-fund Planned Parenthood. In an interview with David Brody of CBN, Trump made that promise:
David Brody: “As a President Trump, if a bill came to your desk that would defund Planned Parenthood you would support that, you would sign that?”
Donald Trump: “Yes, because as long as they do the abortion I am not for funding Planned Parenthood… As long as they’re involved with abortion, as far as I’m concerned forget it, I wouldn’t fund them regardless. I would defund Planned Parenthood because of their view and the fact of their work on abortion…. I am for defunding Planned Parenthood as long as they are involved with abortion.”
http://www.lifenews.com/2016/05/11/donald-trump-i-will-appoint-supreme-court-judges-who-will-be-pro-life/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+lifenews%2Fnewsfeed+%28LifeNews.com%29
 
 

Our pastors generally start from the position that if you are a Christian, first and foremost, don't even think of dating a non-Christian. Along with this, if there is anything about a person that makes you know you wouldn't want to be married to them, don't date them.
We tend to face the dual problem of our culture, even within most churches, telling youth to enjoy life, play, have fun, don't rush to be an adult...while there is also pressure to start "dating" at ever younger ages, to "experiment", enjoy as much as you can, for as long as you can.
The more traditional, as well as biblical, approach is for youth to be specifically trained to become adults, to become responsible people as soon as they are able. Along with this, "dating" was specifically for the pursuit of marriage and starting ones own family; typically shortly after being consider as an adult.
Combating modern "date for fun, excitement and entertainment" while holding on to pre-adulthood as long as possible, is a difficult task when our youth may only be in church once or twice a week. Too many parents follow the model of wanting to be Christian but wanting to fit in with the culture around them too. This is much like ancient Israel who so often resorted to wanting to be like other nations while still claiming to be good Jews.
Back to my original paragraph, if we can't get this through to youth and other singles we (and they) will be faced with the many other problems associated with mass dating of anyone who appeals to them.
As well, if parents won't accept or instruct these matters in accord with Scripture, there is only so much those of us involved in ministry can do.

Our pastors generally start from the position that if you are a Christian, first and foremost, don't even think of dating a non-Christian. Along with this, if there is anything about a person that makes you know you wouldn't want to be married to them, don't date them.
We tend to face the dual problem of our culture, even within most churches, telling youth to enjoy life, play, have fun, don't rush to be an adult...while there is also pressure to start "dating" at ever younger ages, to "experiment", enjoy as much as you can, for as long as you can.
The more traditional, as well as biblical, approach is for youth to be specifically trained to become adults, to become responsible people as soon as they are able. Along with this, "dating" was specifically for the pursuit of marriage and starting ones own family; typically shortly after being consider as an adult.
Combating modern "date for fun, excitement and entertainment" while holding on to pre-adulthood as long as possible, is a difficult task when our youth may only be in church once or twice a week. Too many parents follow the model of wanting to be Christian but wanting to fit in with the culture around them too. This is much like ancient Israel who so often resorted to wanting to be like other nations while still claiming to be good Jews.
Back to my original paragraph, if we can't get this through to youth and other singles we (and they) will be faced with the many other problems associated with mass dating of anyone who appeals to them.
As well, if parents won't accept or instruct these matters in accord with Scripture, there is only so much those of us involved in ministry can do.

...or watching (what you hope to be) an informative/helpful video, and they use such words.

I really hate when reading something online that sounds really good, maybe even something worth sharing, and then suddenly there's an F-bomb (rather tired of that term too!) or blasphemy which totally ruins what I've been reading.

​The Lord deals with His people according to His perfect wisdom and timing. I was a follower of Christ for nearly a decade before the Lord brought the matter of a Bible version to my attention. One day, as clear as can be, the Holy Ghost directed me to the KJB, and I wasn't even considering the matter at the time. Even so, the direction was so clear I got a KJB and the Word opened to me like never before and I've used the KJB ever since.
I know some fine men of God who use other Bible versions, some of which I find so watered down and/or hard to understand it's amazing to me they can walk with God so closely using them. All things are possible with God! The Bible they use is, ultimately, between them and God. I'll share with them how the Lord directed me. I'll share with them some of the ways I've found the KJB to be superior to the NIV (or whatever version they use). I'll show them resources or share web links on the subject. At that point, it's still between them and God. I certainly won't dismiss them as unbelievers when they exhibit the fruits of salvation.
The Bible one reads from doesn't prove, or make, them a true or false believer. Just as there are many true believers who don't use the KJB, there are also many false believers who do use the KJB. Our salvation is by grace through faith in Christ alone.

How is America a colony of Tarshish? Tarshish was located in Spain and it wasn't the Spanish who colonized America.
 
Russia has vast natural resources. It would take much more than the prospect of gaining some gas or oil in Israel for them to take on such a huge logistical war against Israel. The Soviet Union was in a far better position to invade Israel than is the Russian Federation.
 
Sheba and Dedan were of the Arabian desert region, and just like Tarshish, didn't colonize America. There is no way in which America is a "young lion" of any of these.

Chantie,
If I may, I would like to add a few things...but first, let me apologize for inserting myself into this conversation. I can imagine that it could be overwhelming to have so many voices answering you and giving input. So, after this post, I intend to humbly drop out of the conversation so as not to cause more confusion or questions.
I realize that in one way, the thread hasn't stayed on the course for what you inquired about; however, I do believe that the course it has taken is directly tied to what you were asking. With that said, I will try to quickly address your main questions...
That's a hard question to answer, and it depends on which "branch" of Christianity you ask. I haven't read the book, but from what I gather from the snippets that you included from her books, this is my answer...and I also realize that my answer could cause more questions or possible misunderstandings. After all, it's hard to cover every possible scenario or thoroughly explain what is meant by my statements...
There are those who believe a Christian can do whatever they please...that to enjoy the pleasures of the world is absolutely fine. There are others who believe a Christian MUST adhere to certain standards and/or rules of outward righteousness. My personal belief is this...the Christian life is one of growth. As the Christian grows in their faith and continues to nurture their relationship with the Lord, he/she will WANT to do the things that I've seen described in the book. However, it appears the book leans more toward a person MUST do certain things to be a Christian.
As the Christian grows, the things of the world will mean less, and the things of God will mean more. Therefore, things such as modesty (which the Bible does address) will be a natural manifestation of the Christian's growth...because they WANT to...not because they're MADE to. Now, the Bible is clear that we are to be separate from the world; therefore, there should be a difference in us as compared to the world. While that is a command of God to be followed, as I said, the Christian life is one of growth, and each individual reaches certain points of growth at different times.
All of that to say this...in general, yes, I agree with the morality as described. Yes, I try to live a moral life by abstaining from the things of the world...because that's what I desire...not because others make me do it. Do I fail? Yes I do, but with the Lord's help, I continue on.
Now, I think the thread went off your desired topic, because it appeared (from the book's snippets) that how a person acts (or the things that they do) determines whether they are a Christian or not. I sincerely believe that people here were concerned for you and wanted to ensure that you weren't possibly deceived into thinking a person's works, actions, or personal morality had anything to do with obtaining salvation.
Finally, to address a few of the things that you and I discussed...
Chantie, have you ever visited a hotel (or anywhere that you've never been before)? If so, did you expect the light to come on when you flipped the switch when you had no evidence showing that particular light switch worked? I know I would, and I'm sure you would too. Why? Because that's the "nature" of a light switch. You believe a light switch will work whether you've ever seen the light switch before or not...without evidence that it works...because that's what a light switch does. You understand the nature of the light switch. Such is the "nature" of salvation. A person believes Christ will save them, because that's the nature of salvation...to believe in Christ's death for our sins, his burial, and his resurrection on the third day after he died. The evidence is his word. Just as you believe the evidence for the operation of light switch; one must believe the evidence of the Bible's facts concerning salvation.
I hesitate to do this, because it can cause others to think that they should "experience" the same thing as I did. You prefaced your remark above with the stipulation of "knowing the person well and knowing they were trustworthy", so that leaves me at a disadvantage. You don't know me well, nor do you know if I'm trustworthy; however, I will still give you a small example of how my faith (as you so wonderfully put it) "produced evidence through my life of the way electricity salvation changed me that would be difficult or impossible otherwise." These may not have a "WOW factor", but they are still pretty amazing (to me)...
Evidence #1 - I used to use the most foul, vile, and filthy language. I thought nothing of it; it was a part of me. However, when I was saved...it vanished. I didn't even notice it at first. After a while, I realized that I no longer used such language. It wasn't because I decided to stop, it wasn't because I "turned over a new leaf", and it wasn't because I made a resolution to try to be a better person. The only explanation is that I became a new person when I was saved. The habit was gone!
Evidence #2 - I used to drink alcohol...and I mean I was a heavy drinker. I can honestly say that I wasn't an alcoholic; I just really enjoyed drinking. It was a part of me, and I enjoyed it. However, when I was saved...it vanished. Like the foul language, after a while I realized that I didn't drink or even want to drink anymore. It wasn't because I decided to stop, it wasn't because I "turned over a new leaf", and it wasn't because I made a resolution to try to be a better person. The only explanation is that I became a new person when I was saved. The old desire was gone!
Evidence #3 - Before I was saved, I would occasionally read the Bible. I grew up going to church and was exposed to the Bible there too. I would read it sometimes, but it didn't really mean much to me. However, after I was saved...I couldn't get enough of the Bible. I had one with me all the time. I kept a small New Testament in my pocket, I kept one in my car, one beside my bed, and I would read it every chance I got. I had a sudden unexplainable desire to read, study, and know God's word. It wasn't because I decided to start reading it, it wasn't because I "turned over a new leaf", and it wasn't because I made a resolution to try to be a better person. The only explanation is that I became a new person when I was saved. A new desire was given!
This is further evidenced in God's word; which says...
1 Peter 2:2
As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Just like a newborn baby desire milk, and that milk will help the baby grow...a newborn Christian will desire the milk of God's word (the Bible), so that we may grow.
You have the ultimate textbook...the Bible.   That's your evidence Chantie.
Again Chantie, if I may, and if you will (when you have time), please take a few minutes to look at the small website that I made...
http://john3verse7.weebly.com/

Yes, but influential? I highly doubt outside a very limited circle he is actually one of the worlds 100 most spiritually influential people.
It would be nice to know just how they rated "influence" and just what they mean by "influence". Certainly Franklin Graham has more influence than at least 90-some of those listed. Why isn't Franklin Graham listed but the likes of Rob Bell and people I've never heard of are?
Upon closer examination I see they provide their criteria:
There are several factors that were taken into account when compiling the list. The main three criteria are:
1) The person has to be alive as of January 1st, 2016
2) The person has to have made a unique and spiritual contribution on a global scale
3) The person is frequently googled, appears in Nielsen Data, has a Wikipedia page, and is actively talked about throughout the Internet By taking into account the amount of times that a person is googled or how many times their Wikipedia profile is viewed, the list gains a highly democratic and transparent parameter. Additionally, we were highly selective in creating this list and did our best to remove candidates who spread messages that were hateful or intolerant. Ultimately, this list is meant to celebrate the positive influence of today’s spiritual teachers.
Obviously #3 seems to be the main reason most of those listed are there, and many more actually influential ones are not. It's a high probability Franklin Graham was not included because he openly declares salvation is only through Jesus, the God of the Bible is the One True God and the god of Islam is not, and he says those who die without Christ will go to hell. Those would likely all be considered " messages that were hateful or intolerant".

It's also annoying when after every sentence or two the person keeps saying/asking, "know what I mean"?
All those irritating animal pictures where people write on them in ghetto baby talk. A cat crawling under a hooded sweatshirt with words saying "dis be my hood" (example).
How about those who speak text talk?

IDK, LOL
 

 

While most of us here get this, most readers don't. For most readers they know little or nothing of modern grammar and not a bit about any form of older English grammar. I even know several KJB preachers who don't even read the "ye, thou, thy, thine" as in the text of the KJB but insert "you, yours" and other modern words.
I don't recall his name but I read an article a KJB pastor wrote on this subject either earlier this year or late last year where he pointed out how updated wording could be used while still including a proper understanding. It was an interesting read but the only thing I really recall about it was his use of "y'all" in his presentation.
With the dismal education system in America a large percentage of the population has very low reading skills with some being barely literate at all. I've encountered many people over the years who have a difficult time reading the more simplistic MVs and an even more difficult time when it comes to comprehension. These people are near totally lost trying to read anything of a higher level.
Sad that so many children in America once learned to read using the KJB but today millions of adults, even college graduate adults, either can't read, can't comprehend (or both) the writing in the KJB.
(Just to be clear, I'm not arguing against what you said, just pointing these factors out)

While most of us here get this, most readers don't. For most readers they know little or nothing of modern grammar and not a bit about any form of older English grammar. I even know several KJB preachers who don't even read the "ye, thou, thy, thine" as in the text of the KJB but insert "you, yours" and other modern words.
I don't recall his name but I read an article a KJB pastor wrote on this subject either earlier this year or late last year where he pointed out how updated wording could be used while still including a proper understanding. It was an interesting read but the only thing I really recall about it was his use of "y'all" in his presentation.
With the dismal education system in America a large percentage of the population has very low reading skills with some being barely literate at all. I've encountered many people over the years who have a difficult time reading the more simplistic MVs and an even more difficult time when it comes to comprehension. These people are near totally lost trying to read anything of a higher level.
Sad that so many children in America once learned to read using the KJB but today millions of adults, even college graduate adults, either can't read, can't comprehend (or both) the writing in the KJB.
(Just to be clear, I'm not arguing against what you said, just pointing these factors out)