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  1. You need to determine if a person knows Jesus truly, understands their salvation in Jesus because if they are not saved, then you need to try and get them saved. Right? I agree with you that yes we are to determine if a person knows Jesus according to what the Bible teaches on salvation, not just because they claim to be a Christian. People who who claim to be Christians but are not saved and are depending on their works hate Christians who place their faith in Jesus' work of salvation alone and will do what they can to hurt you. So yes, it is important to a least know if a person is truly saved so that you can at least be discerning around them. People who claim to be Christians and are not are under the control and power of Satan and Satan will use them against you. And believe me I have had much experience with this. You cannot determine whether someone is saved if you know practically nothing about their personal life - that's judging their heart and only God has that right.

    Love,
    Madeline


    I would agree.

    Furthermore, I would like to go on record here:
    Britney Spears, while responsible for her own sins, is a product of what her parents made her. She's now a grown woman who has been pushed into the spotlight her entire life, rather than "just being a kid." She has no family support group, and few close friends. She is a hurting individual. If she is saved, let us pray that someone comes into her life that can put her back on the right path. If not, let us pray that God sends someone into her life who will point her to Christ. It's certainly a lot better than starting pointless threads to speculate on her eternal destiny.
  2. Should it be used at every service? No

    How do you use it in your church? They do it every Sunday

    What kind of response does it get? Almost none except for those who are coming forward for Baptism or to join.



    The best and most spiritual healthy churches I've been in don't or sparingly use the altar call.

  3. My personal feeling is that we shouldn't follow the traditions of men, So at the Cowboy church we don't do an altar call. At our regular church it's every sunday morning service and every sunday evening service and then sometimes on wednesdays depending on the message Pastor preached. I never go forward at the altar call I do my business in private with God, like scripture teaches. I've seen a few preachers who will abuse it and keep beating on during the altar call until they get the response they are looking for at the altar. That's manipulating feelings not spiritual conviction. Just my opinion, and worth what you paid for it.

    C


    I agree. Let the Holy Spirit convict, rather than play 94 verses of "Just As I Am" until you get folks to come forward. God is much better at dealing with these things than we are.

  4. Who gives you authority to judge your fellow man? You are not God and thus you can't see what is in his heart or know what he believes. Truly if there was one major problem with the Baptist church it would be the arrogance that the average person in the church displays. I believe this stems from the fact that there is no fear of God in a Baptist church because you believe you can?t loose your salvation. While unless you consider yourselves to be greater then Saint Paul I would reconsider it because Paul has this to say about loosing his own salvation.

    1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means
  5. This would appear to be a pointless discussion because I don't believe there is any way I can prove to you he was catholic or that you can prove otherwise because you will provide me with information from a baptist web site and even if I provide secular sources you would not accept them.


    Most secular sources seem to rely on Catholic history. And I don't trust Catholic history, simply because I can prove that they have lied about at least one group of Christians in church history.
  6. Dad's surgery went well, they removed a triangle shaped kidney stone that was about 2.5" on each side. :eek The doctors didn't do surgery on grandma(my mom's mom), but just performed some tests and set her up for an appointment in two weeks. Then the doctor called back today, and moved her appointment up to this Tuesday. The tests showed cancer, which seems to be starting to spread. Please continue to pray for my family. It's been a wild summer.

  7. It's called "Millennial Exclusion," or "Kingdom Accountability." Basically, it's purgatory for Baptists/Protestants. The only people that I presently know who believe this are KJVO-IFB's, which seems a bit odd to me. However, I have been assured by these people that there is a Presbyterian pastor or two who believes it.

    What is it? Millennial Exclusion is the belief that during the Millennial Reign of Christ, those of us who are "bad" here on earth will suffer in hell to be purified. And then we get to go to heaven. There are a couple branches of this theology(supposedly) that don't believe in hellfire for believers, but I have yet to meet any Kingdom Exclusionist who don't believe in hellfire for believers.

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/doctrine/faust.htm

    http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/do ... dgesas.htm

  8. My dad is having kidney stone surgery first thing tomorrow morning. Wed, my grandma is having surgery to have a mass removed from her ovaries(just found out about this one Friday). My mom is totally stressing, as is much of the family. Please pray if you can.

  9. The Key of Truth(the Paulician church manual) does not address the topic of church elders expressly. However, after having looked through the book, it's quite obvious that their idea of pastors/elders was similar to something we believe today. Church leaders were responsible for safeguarding the flock, teaching doctrine, etc. However, unlike most modern Baptists(Baptists prior to about the 1850's), they seemed to have a plurality of elders.

    Some of the topics covered in the book are:
    On the rite of Baptism
    Who may receive Baptism
    Repentance and Faith required for Baptism
    On the three sacraments or mysteries
    On the ceremony of name giving on the 8th day after birth
    On the rite of election
    Regulations for candidates of election
    On the creation of Adam and our Lord
    Sayings about Mary
    Against the abuses of the Orthodox Church
    The Orthodox led by Satan
    The twelve disguises of Satan
    On intercession of Jesus Christ
    A catechism for Christians
    Exposition of the holy mystery of the Eucharist

  10. For the sake of the argument' date=' let's say you are right and 1 Timothy IS referring to elder Christians ruling their homes. That still leaves other passages about elders/pastors ruling the church - so your point is moot anyway.[/quote']


    Quite right. However, the verse that JJJ gave an explanation for has been entirely ripped from it's context. The verse about elders who rule well and giving them double honor is an express desire to pay church leaders. Furthermore, Paul commanded...Timothy or Titus, I forget which one right now, to ordain elders(plural) in every city when he started a church. Obviously, elders is a term for church leadership.


  11. Sorry, that's not Biblical. Not even close. To start with, it's my duty to make sure that I do not place a stumblingblock in front of those who fear sinning due to something. And, the weaker brother should not force their conscience on the stronger.



  12. Some believe that a pastor has no authority or power beyond any other member of the church, however, I feel that to believe that way they must choose to ignore this verse.

    "Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."

    If they have no God given authority they would have no extra responsibility and God would not require of them an account above that any other Christian would have to give. Of course it is equally clear that they cannot "force" anyone to submit any more than a husband can "force" his wife to submit. It can be requested, and all parties concerned will be happier if it occurs, but it cannot be forced. It is a heart attitude more than outward conformation that is desired after all.


    How do you mean? I've heard this verse used to say that the pastor should have veto authority over every area of your life, or that he has the right to make you follow his pet standards, etc.
  13. Can anyone concisely share their beliefs with me about Pastoral Authority?

    What does that phrase mean to you and how is it exercised?

    Specifically, I would like to hear about the relationship of deacons and pastors and whether you believe that there is a single sole pastor to a church, or if there can be multiple pastors with one taking a lead position, or if you follow the "elder" position that seems popular in reformed theology.

    This is a discussion for the sake of hearing different takes. Please not finger pointing or accusatory posts.


    I prefer a plurality of elders.

    I don't place much stock in the theory of 'pastoral authority,' as some define it. The pastor's duty is to teach the word, and to correct issues of sin within the body.
  14. Has anyone played Age of Empires Three and or the expansion that goes with it? It looks possibly interesting but I'm not sure if my computer can handle it or not.

    I have AoE Two and the expansion, The Conquerors, and that runs well on my computer.


    I have a friend who has it, but he doesn't care for it that much. He does EE2, same as me. I'm joining up with him and a couple members of his clan tonight for a run at some fellas.
  15. EE2... eek... they announced 2 days after releasing ee2' date=' that they are working on ee3. That's because ee1 was so great, and ee2 is just horrible. AOE3 is where most people play for an epoc rts. But I and my friends hate aoe3 also.[/quote']

    Have you heard of World in Conflict? It's an RTS game based on the concept of the Russians invading America. It's rather interesting. You don't actually have to gather resources, but you do have to collect points to gain more troops. I've been messing around with the Demo. http://www.worldinconflict.com/

    It's going to be released on the 18th. I may buy it when I get the cash, it looks good. Check it out.

    A warning though, there was some language during the 'movie scenes' in the game.
  16. From what I have read' date=' the Pauicians were post-apostolic and maybe baptistic and I use that phrase loosely. All they had were the Pauline Epistle (from my understanding) and that is why they were thus named. So, they may have had some holes in their theology. I would deam them, "baptistic" at best.[/quote']
    I have their 'church manual,' "The Key of Truth." It makes for interesting reading. If you give me a specific topic(ie, Baptism) to look up I can likely find it if it's in there.
  17. Guess its genetic eh? :sad

    :pray


    Probably not actually. Bradycardia is normally umm...contracted(?) rather than being congenital. And mine was likely due to rheumatoid fever(which as far as we know, I never had, so either I had a very mild case or the valve just looked that way). But it could be congenital, you never know. There is that chance that we now have some sort of heart problem in the family.
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