Will

hi,
I don't know if this is worthy challenge.

Can someone help me.

1) I need to obtain text of NIV bible in Word document.
Preferably One Book, One Word document.

2) I need to obtain text of NASB bible in Word document.
Preferably One Book, One Word document.

3) I need help preparing KJV bible to Word document.
Preferably One Book, One Word document.

I will post results of KJV vs. NIV bible comparsion, the whole bible in similar manner (see --> blog).

Advantage:
1) Instead of spending hours proof-reading NIV bible, this immediately shows what changed against KJV bible.

Every tittle (now called punctuation marks) every word changed.

Dwayner' date=' forget the insults. If you disagree with him, that is one thing - but you can refrain from calling him a joker just because you don't like what he posted.[/quote']

It's not a matter of disagreement, but it's a matter of intellectual dishonesty on the part of that "author."

Regardless of whether McArthur believes that a believer must persevere to be saved, there are many Calvinists that do. The fact that solid evangelists and preachers this past century have written booklets refuting this fifth point of Calvinism shows me that there are enough Calvinists that still hold to it. Not one point of the five points of Calvinism is Biblical. You can redefine them all you want - pick and choose which ones of the five you will accept - but that doesn't make any of the five any more Biblical.

Personally, I don't care if McArthur doesn't believe it - the rest of his Calvinism is bad enough, his Bible correction is bad enough, his teaching and preaching from the Critical Text is bad enough. I was left with a bad impression of some of his doctrine 11-12 years ago, the few books of his that I have picked up and read since then have not been ones I would recommend or endorse. The more I read of and from him, the less I have any use for him.

Calvinism is not just a minor teaching that you can give or take - it is a false foundation of Bible interpretation. When Calvinism enters the picture, Biblical doctrine goes by the wayside.

Purposeful? Do you mean deliberate? Last I checked' date=' the NT forbids you from judging my motives. And no, it was not a deliberate misunderstanding of McArthur. If you had read the rest of this thread, you would see what else I have posted and how I clarified myself.[/quote']

Since Calvinism doesn't teach what you claimed in that post, then it was either deliberate, or done out of ignorance of Calvinistic theology.

MacArthur does believe in Calvinism' date=' and he does believe that a professing Christian must persevere to the end to [i']be saved (rather than believing God will keep a true believer; therefore they will persevere - ie. their salvation causes them to persevere overall, rather than having to persevere to be saved).

In keeping with my foirm belief that Christians ought to be aware of the choices, good or bad.
Here is a list that poses Biblical reasons for rejecting Huckabee for pres. Zeal, you said it well, vote Biblical not just conservative.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rklist/message/91108k

God bless,

Calvary

Myers Park is also associated with the Baptist State Convention of North Carolina' date=' which is affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention. Though I think it's a stretch to say because one church has gone astray that the entire denomination is tainted by that.[/quote']

Their website states that they are affiliated with the American Baptists.

The Evangelical Church in America and the United Church of Christ, two liberal churches in the United States, both ordain homosexuals and lesbians to the ministry now. The ELCA started ordaining gay pastors with committed partners to the ministry this year, and the UCC has ordained gays into the ministry for years. The United Church of Christ is also the church home of the ultra-liberal presidential candidate, Barack Obama! So, both churches want to ordain what God terms is an abomination in His sight! The Myers Park Baptist Church, a Southern Baptist Church, also accepts gays as church members in Charlotte, North Carolina. So, three denominations have produced apostasy which is an abomination in the sight of the Lord!

:Green :Green

SBC churches do have autonomy.

what is the true day of the sabbath according to the scriptures? :puzzled:

Guys,

I am not a " Ruckmanite " nor do I even like that word. I like many men. I have read books by O.B. Greene and also like him so am I also a " Greeneite? " I think you see my point on this issue. I think many people use the word " Ruckmanite " as some kind of insult. If I am an kind of " ite " I am a " Jesusite! " I can and will be all of your friends, however if I feel I need to bring up Dr. Ruckman or something he said I will do so. Just as I may bring up any other man I have learned something from. Like C.I. Scofield for an example.

I just used the 95% as a random number of all of us agreeing with him on. It may be a little higher or a little lower. It was just a number I pulled off the top of my head. What ever that number is, it is very high number.

I do not see Ruckman as any kind of cult leader any more than any other leader in our movement. I think that is just kind of crazy. What cult that you know of the believes in Jesus like we all do? I do not know of any cult like that.

I also hope some of you that use the Scofield Bile feel the same way about him as you do Ruckman. I am also real big on consistency. That is always an issue with me on everything. I think both were good men and did a good work. I use both of these men's work to help me. I also use the works of other men to help me learn more about God. I do not think any man is 100% right. If he was he would be perfect.

The bottom line is I like Ruckman and many of you do not. I will not change and you will not change. Therefore there is no need to fuss about this issue. I would advise anyone to read some of his books. I think he can help you learn more and be a better Christian. Ruckman is not the only man that can help you, he is just one of many. He is just one of the best and has helped me far more than many others.

Atlas

I like dancing.

Guys,

I have been looking around and saw many anti Ruckman comments. Why are thee so many anti Ruckman folks on here? Even if you do not agree with him on everything. You will still agree with him about 95% of the time.

As an example I do not agree with my wife 100% of the time but I still love my wife and she is a good wife. Ruckman has helped many people out in the ministry. He has had many attend PBI his college. He has stood up for the KJV for many years. Just to name a few good things that Dr. Ruckman has accomplished.


Atlas

*flips the light off*

*walks to the basement and rips out the breaker-electricity costs money*

*holds candle up to face to create spooky glow*
Welcome.

Yeah, the games we played as kids were rough by todays standards. Back then, we saw it as just good fun.

We played the BB gun wars, we had rock wars and walnut wars too. Try getting hit in the head (accidently, since we never aimed for the head) with a walnut!

I definitely would be a hard target to miss :frog I like paint ball but that hurts. Does this hurt as much as that?

[quote="SimplyComplex"]Well, I did read 100% of this thread, just kinda skimmed..

I play a bit of Americas Army. Don't have a lot of time for it though (or any of the other games I would love to play). The best part about that game is its free![/quote]

What's your gamer name on AA? Mine is {Truth}Gray_Wolf-R (It'll change after a couple weeks tho, and the "-R" will be dropped. I'm a recruit in a clan right now).

I may have missed it but the intent of the translation style is also important.

The KJV translated the actual words, only re-arraging things as the sentence structure required it.

The MV translators most often use the "Dynamic equivalance" theory where the "thoughts of the passage" were translated into the english.

The problem with this is that your own beliefs colour your understanding of the passage.

So what we have in the MV translations is the translators own ideas about what the passages say.

And we still can't get past the fact that there are many places where the MV's replace references to Jesus with references to a less definite nature, and then of course there are those missing verses of Mark 16 amongst others.

Do we need to re-reference all these issues?

I do not understand how someone who has studied the issues of the texts, the compilers of the texts, the translators qualifications, the translation styles, and the finished product can fall to the side of the others being superior.

I am of the opinion (informed opinion, but opinion none the less) that the texts used for MVs are superior. I also feel the the textual argument is a good one, and place much merit in the KJVo opinion that their text is better. The debate is a textual one. Since I am of the opinion that the text used is better, most of your main translations are "better" in that they came from a purer source. There are really only a handful well, two handfuls, of translations out there. Of those there are a few good formal ones and a few good functional ones. There are also a few less then admirable ones. I, for instance, hold The Message as fun to read, but hardly something to study. Its one man's work, and way too functional to be of any scholarly merit. Good then that that is its stated purpose.

If you want specifics (which I know John, you do ;-) ) then I like the ESV, NKJV, NASB, and NIV. All are good translations and each brings to the table something the others don't (though ESV could just about replace the NASB given their similarities).

The TEV, TNIV*, NLT are all rough imo, and I do not use them.

As to Jerry's comment, I grow tired of repeating myself, but I have never said that all are the same. No one that I know of would say that. So once again I find myself pointing out a strawman in your argument. Do try to refrain from such logical fallacies in the future. No translation is ever the same. By using many good translations we can fine tune our understanding of the scriptures.

*The TNIV I have little knowledge of. Given the less then rave reviews, I simply never looked into it. I think, from what I read, its a poor translation, but like to point out when I have not actually looked at something directly. That opinion is second hand.

Heh. I've actually begun working on developing my own podcast. But I'd be game to do a couple for OB.

Bumped just because. :D

Consider yourselves PWN3D!

Reasons not to use Power Point:


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I said that I am a non-denominational Christian. I believe that all scripture is the inspired word of God. And I believe that everything in the Bible is the truth.

I answered your questions, but you continue to dodge mine.