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  1. How much of the earth did the Roman Empire cover? It wasn't limited to Italy and Israel. Rome controlled all of the known world at the time. So all the world means all the world. I doubt North & South America will be exempt.

    "ge" can mean a region but it can also mean the entire globe and the inhabitants thereof. You are deducing that "earth" means Israel because you believe "world" to be referring only to the Roman Empire, meaning one section.

    All means all. :thumb

  2. 1) The woman is Israel, not the church. The place prepared is for Israel.

    2) As you are so fond of pointing out, :Green to whom was the discourse given? Also the Lord mentioned Daniel's prophecy. This is given to the Jews and the messenger told Daniel that the prophecy was determined upon his people and upon the Holy City (Jerusalem). This time is also called, "The time of Jacob's trouble". These are all Jewish references and have nothing to do with the Bride of Christ.

    3) When taken at face value, it says that during the rapture the believers will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. At the 2nd coming Jesus will touch down on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in half. Also, Enoch prophesied and Revelation mentions that Jesus will be coming back with 10 thousands of His saints.

  3. Ok, yes I can see the differences. There still seems to be a few similarities though.

    I guess I don't think of Israel as living in peace until anti-Christ makes a treaty with them. But in comparison, they are probably in a kind of "peace" right now with all their military might. And the cities don't have walls around them.

    It is just all interesting because recently a Jewish television station broadcast a political map showing Gog and Magog and the prophecy of Ezekiel 38 in light of the very real thread of Iran and Iran's allies, namely Russia and most of the Arab world.

    Slightly off-topic but do you all think "bows and arrows" and "horses" in Ezekiel means literal bows and arrows and horses or do you think it simply means weapons and conveyances?

  4. I understand that Rev. 20 is the whole world and a different battle. I'm talking about Rev. 19 and Jesus' 2nd Coming. That passage seems to indicate that Israel is under attack and Jesus rescues them. Then the Millennium starts; to me that coincides with Ez. 39. I really don't know though which is why I am asking. Can you show me from Scripture why you believe the battle to be before the Trib.?

  5. In Ezekiel 38-39' date=' we see Gog and Magog coming against Israel - just prior to the Tribulation period or at the start of it. Then in Revelation 20, we see symbolic Gog and Magog ( - not the same as the OT nations - just like Revelation 17-19 refers to symbolic endtime Babylon, not the same as the OT Babylon, but following in its example and spiritual footsteps). There are no other references to these nations that I am aware of.[/quote']

    After reading those 2 chapters, I'm a little confused why you say it is pre-trib when the wording in Ez. 39 (especially vs. 28,29) seems to coincide with Rev. 19, the end of the Trib. and the beginning of the Mill.

    Ez. 39
    1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
    2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:
    3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
    4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
    5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
    6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
    7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
    8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.
    9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves

  6. How many prophecies are there concerning Gog and Magog? It is my understanding that Gog and Magog come against Israel twice: post trib and post mill. Today I read that some people believe there is a 3rd attempt (actually 1st in their minds) and it is pre trib. They believe this war will usher in the anti-Christ and tribulation period. Anyone else ever heard of this and know what Scriptures these ppl use to back this up?

  7. They teach that there was a 1. relatively short space of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. So they teach that God created the heaven and the earth, and 2. then there was a race of people on the earth before Adam 3. that sinned and 4. were wiped out. 5. Then creation and then Adam etc. My pastor believes it too and he actually has verses to back it up.

    I would like to see the verses used to prove each point. Thanks.

    But let's make it a new thread. :thumb

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