Bakershalfdozen

There is a list of reasons why we believe in the Rapture of the Church in the articles section of OB. I'll see if it is still there.

This book by Renald Showers is also a good study if one is unsure or mistaken about the Rapture vs. the 2nd Coming.

http://www.amazon.com/Maranatha-Our-Lor ... 75-7831167

If you don't want to buy the book, go to http://www.bbnbi.org to hear Dr. Showers' 6 messages on prophecy. The link is for the Bible Broadcasting Network's Bible Institute. To hear the messages, sign up as a student (its FREE!), click on "Browse Courses" at the top, select "Bible Doctrines" and then scroll down until you find "Doctrine of Future Events" by Renald Showers. There are 6 sermons. The 2nd and 3rd sermons deal with the Rapture.

I know some ppl who received a Bachelor's from BJU before the school got accredited and their degree counts towards this rule...

Annie, I totally agree and am thankful that NC has lenient homeschooling laws. We are blessed! :clap:

I'm not sure what you mean here, Chevy. :puzzled:

In English Grammar, "unworthily" is an adverb describing the compound verb "shall eat/drink". If the person is himself unworthy, wouldn't it say something like "If an unworthy person..."? (Unworthy being an adjective there)

Coffee makes me sleepy... :coffee

NC law states that homeschoolers age 7 and over have to be given an achievement test every year. I knew that. :Green

Here's what I didn't know... each test for each child costs $40 and the person who administers it has to have a bachelor's degree, or have a teacher's license or be a full time teacher in a public or private school (not homeschool).

It is no problemo for me since I do have a bachelor's degree but I had no idea of the extra expense some homeschool parents have just to homeschool. The cost of curriculum is high enough all by itself. On top of that you have to buy the tests and pay someone to test them. I understand the concept behind it - the state wants qualified people who promise to be ethical to do the testing but it still surprised me.

The name should be something each parent likes. It could have a good meaning or be a family name or whatever. Our personal thing is that we don't like common names and never felt like we had to use Bible names (not that there's anything wrong with that ). When we were in school, everyone it seemed was naming their sons Caleb, Micah, Josiah or Isaiah. We picked the boys' names because of what they mean and we picked the girls' names because we like how they sound.

I read some of the "What to Expect..." books and some of "To Train Up A Child". I went overboard with the scheduling thing with our first and didn't spend enough time (IMO) just cuddling and loving. I kept up with the scheduling idea with my others just not as strictly. They all slept by themselves, ate every 4 hours (as opposed to "snacking" every 1 1/2 - 2 hours), and slept through the night at an early age.

Ooooh! :sad Get to the doc asap! Praying... :pray

Ouch! Praying...

I totally agree. It's a lot more than just what we do, it is completely who we are. :thumb :Green

Jess, what I see is that God is preparing us (your hubby and I) to do something that will be very beneficial not only for our own families, but our society as well. It was your hubby that planted the seeds of curiosity in my head of using water for fuel. I was skeptical to the point of disbelieving when he first told me that using electrolysis of water could make enough fuel to power an engine that would turn around and electrolyze more water into fuel for itself. It seemed like an attempt at perpetual motion. :ooops :Green

I wish I could have seen the look on his face when I first told him that I now see what he meant waaaaaaay back when he first mentioned using water for fuel to power his innovative engine design. I had it in my head that the water molecule could only be fractured by Faraday methods. It is true that using instruments of that design (i.e. Faraday) could never achieve the volume we need. It was sometime mid-autumn last year when the light dawned, and I knew the secret had to be in using Teslian techniques. As far as perpetual motion:::: It isn't that at all since we are consuming water. The water is the fuel. :Green

I do understand where you are coming from Bakershalfdozen' date=' I used to believe that way, but the Lord has shown me different and I'm so glad He has. [/quote']


That's funny because I used to believe the way you do but when I started studying the Bible for myself, the Lord showed me differently and I'm so glad He has. :smile

The 2 Tim. passage was written to a pastor and has more to do with expositional preaching than dispensations.

BTW, no one I know goes to the Greek because "they don't like what the KJV says".

I'm not trying to come across as peevish here but this has been bugging me for a long time. I fully realize that this is a "can of worms" for some folks and I fully realize that because of some approaches to Bible study, this can be volatile. It doesn't have to be and I hope this thread remains civil. I know some of you think Greek study is worthless but here goes anyway:

The phrase "rightly dividing" in II Timothy 2:15 means to correctly expound. It does not mean to chop up into pieces. It is different from the word used in Heb. 4 {the dividing asunder of soul and spirit} which means to separate. Those are different yet from the word used in Luke 15 {Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.} ...which means to distribute. All of those are the same word or the same root and yet they mean something different.

The point of this is to say that to use the phrase "rightly dividing" in reference to dispensations, what applies to me and what doesn't is inaccurate.

Furthermore, all N.T. epistles were written to churches, whether comprised of Jews, Gentiles or both. Most of the early churches were mainly Jews anyway. Paul was the apostle - the one sent - to the Gentiles. Peter was the apostle - the one sent - to the Jews. That doesn't mean their teachings were different. In fact, they both reference each other in their writings. Additionally, God says that in the N.T. church age, there is no "Jew" or "Gentile"; they are all part of the Body.


Lastly, "study" - The word "study" in both of the following verses...

1 Thessalonians 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

does not mean open a book although it can certainly include that! They are two different Greek words but mean nearly the same thing. It means to be diligent, endeavor, labor. If you substitute the word "endeavor" for study in both verses, you will see the idea. However, if you put the idea of book study or Bible study in I Thess. 4:11, it won't make much sense.


Ok, got that off my chest. I'm finished here. :wave:

The Bible appears to indicate that age 20 was when someone was no longer considered a "child". But it appears that "youth" may be the period once they are not a child any more (turn 20).

HappyChristian, it's not about picking and choosing what you believe...it's about following the command to study and rightly divide the word of truth. A lot of it was written, as the Bible says, for our learning, but was not written TO us as church age Christians.

The Bible also appears to indicate that it is God's will generally for a woman to be married. After all, that is why God made women in the first place.

And the LORD God said, it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; and the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, this is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Genesis 2:18-24.

The whole purpose of God creating woman was for her to be a help meet for a man. That means that God made a particular woman for a particular man...a help "meet" for him...one that matches him.

HC, I did the same as you - all with my father's blessing. In fact, it was he that wanted my sister and I to go to Bible college in the first place. I was still under his authority - especially since he was paying most of the bill! :Bleh

But you've already stated that you don't believe the O.T. applies anymore. "It isn't your mail"?

My inlaws were (still are) against formal education. That has had a negative impact on the family (there are 6 kids). My husband joined the military to learn a skill and is now a CNC machinist. If he gets the opportunity, he is going to go a local technical school and work towards a mechanical engineering degree.

The bottom line for college isn't always about making more money. My husband's passion is machining and metalworking. It isn't just a job. There is no way he could have learned all that he knows now w/o further education. College can help a person experience learning in a way they couldn't do for themselves. There are a good many benefits to furthering one's education.

BTW, my husband went through public school and 4 years of the military as one who is in the world but not of it. It can be done by someone who is committed to Christ.

Going to college and then working there after graduation were some of the best 6 years of my life! Wouldn't trade it for anything, learned many, many valuable lessons and received skill training I wouldn't otherwise receive. I'm using those skills right now in managing this household - and I don't mean just cooking and cleaning.

If I could, I would be a career student. :frog Right now, I would love to take some classes for transcriptioning.

I guess I tend to be a traditionalist in this area. I think I would miss the summer break as well.

Pros?

Cons?


How much time do you take off and how often?

They are whether they outright admit it or not but it is amazing the ways in which they are similar.

We have found that their are four basic camps that pastors fall into.

I will say that there are some basic reasons for this.

The BBF and the FBF camps have moved away from the KJV for the most part.
The Sword and Hyles camps typically hold firm on the KJV.

The BBF and FBF crowds are very isolationists. They typically do not fellowship with anyone outside their camp.
The Sword and Hyles camps typically will fellowship with anyone from any camp.
The Sword camp doesn't like the Hyles camp because of the easy believism issue.
The BBF and FBF crowds don't fellowship because they are isolationists.

The best fellowships we have been part of are typically comprised of the Sword and Hyles Camps.
The fellowships that accomplish the most and are the best organized are the BBF and FBF Camps.

All of our children were between 3 and 4 when they stopped taking a nap. The reason being - if they took a nap, they weren't sleepy at bedtime and didn't go to sleep until late at night. At that point, I stopped requiring them to take a nap.

seriously, can you trust to be alone with a murderous, rapist person? even they say they are free of that? It's kinda hard to trust a pastor with a terrible past. But it doesn't mean he isn't saved. Even priests are hard to trust.. so now when they molest, they have to have someone watching them. They are not blameless if they are trust-less.

the bible says:

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
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A good friend of mine does this. In fact they can everything they can get their hands on from the garden and elsewhere. Their reasoning is that they do not want to rely on freezers if the electricity should fail.

In my growing up years we would can a lot of veggies but sustained a lot of spoilage. As a little kid I didn't care because I didn't like the stuff anyway. (((redbeets, :gross: carrots, :gross: quartered tomatos... :gross: .)))

So is motherof1 since she was here for the same reasons as the others.