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  1. 1 hour ago, Joe Chandler said:

    Acts 10:14-15 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

    Maybe Peter heard Jesus say this, Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

    I'm afraid I'm missing your point. 

  2. Joe Chandler,

    re:  "I already did. 1Tim 4:4 For every creature of God is good etc." 

    And again, verse 3 qualifies that - i.e., every creature that was created to be received.  Unclean animals never were. 

     

    re:  "Are you saying that Christians need to conform to a certain diet?"

    I think that as far as scripture is concerned that the Levitical dietary rules are still in effect.   Some 10 years after the crucifixion, Peter in his vision, was agast when told to eat what was in the sheet.  He, who had been 3 years with the Messiah,  certainly was never told that unclean animals were now ok to eat. And later he realized what the vision was about, and it wasn't about diet.  

     

     

    re:  "You added the 'That was created to be received' part. The bible says, 'and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:'" 

    See above. 
     

  3. 18 hours ago, Joe Chandler said:

    Here is another verse. It has nothing to do with the council per se, but relevant to dietary laws.

    1 Timothy 4:3-4 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

    Where does scripture ever say that those animals which were classified as unclean were ever created to be received with thanksgiving or for that matter with anything else?  Paul must be referring to those who will be commanding abstaining from consuming any type of animal flesh in favor of vegetarianism.    

    re:  "4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:"

    Correct, every creature that was created to be received.  

  4. 9 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    I cannot prove what I am going to say by scripture; but I have heard it preached that by Jewish tradition, a person was not considered dead until they had been dead for three days.

    If this is so, then it may have been that Jesus being in the tomb for three days would be convincing evidence that He had died, and would make His resurrection all the more valid to the Jews.

     

    That may very well have been the reason.  I was hoping that someone might have some authoritative documentation with regard to that being the Jewish thinking of the period.  

    BTW, if so, that would also make a Friday afternoon burial/Sunday morning resurrection position invalid.  

  5. On 6/10/2023 at 10:45 AM, Joe Chandler said:

     How long was Christ in the grave before he rose from the dead?

     

    When the Messiah was asked for a sign (I assume to prove His authority) He told the scribes and Pharisees that He would be in the heart of the earth for 3 daytimes and 3 night times.  So I assume He meant in the tomb, or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body.    The question of this topic is why specifically 3 days and 3 nights?  Was there something significant about that period of time?
     

  6. 30 minutes ago, SureWord said:

     

     

    30 minutes ago, SureWord said:

    You keep asking about this verse. Go with your first impression and then move on until something else tells you otherwise. 

    I'm simply curious as to what folks' "impression" with regard to the reason for selecting 3 days and 3 nights as opposed to some different time frame might be.

  7. 13 minutes ago, SureWord said:

    What's the first thought that comes to your mind when you read it. Center of the Earth or inside a sepulchre?

    If by "it" you're referring to the heart of the earth, I'd say that the first time I heard the phrase I probably thought of the tomb.  Any particular reason for asking?

  8. 4 hours ago, Joe Chandler said:

    Well, by restricting them from things strangled and from blood, that seems to leave the rest of the dietary laws open to the Gentiles. Perhaps I am inferring too much.

    They were also restricted from fornication.  Does that leave the rest of the 10 commandments open to the Gentiles?

  9.  And remember, the someone new needs to be someone who thinks the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

  10. 9 hours ago, BrotherTony said:

    They shouldn't have had to since the Gentiles, believers or not, were never obligated to live by any levitical requirements. They were never Jewish.

    But Joe C. wrote that the council in Jerusalem said that the Gentile believers were exempt from the dietary law. I assumed he was referring to the Acts 15 account. I don't see where the account says anything about not observing the Levitical dietary laws.  That's all I was questioning. 

  11. On 12/8/2022 at 12:14 PM, Salyan said:

    I'm not intending to beat a dead horse, but am unsure whether rstrats is being serious or sarcastic with his above statement. If it's serious, I apologize for misconstruing your comment. 

    The KJV is indeed the only translation to be used on this site, as per the posted rules. 

     

    Sorry, I'm old and sometimes forget where I am. 

  12. 12 hours ago, PastorMatt said:

    The poll is probably closed if its an older thread, however, I cant seem to find the thread you are referring to

    Actually, not really any need to find it since the 4 "other" votes weren't identified as to their meaning.

     

     

  13. In the closed poll for the meaning of "Heart of the earth" in Matthew 12:40 there were no votes for the tomb and 4 votes for other.  I wonder what some of the other meanings might be.  

  14. 6 hours ago, DaveW said:

     

    I provide it simply because it seems to me that it at least in part provides some answer to your question.

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     The article does provide 1 possible part, but only if "three days, night or day" means the same thing as "three days and three nights".    However, 1 example would not show commonality which is the issue of this topic. 

  15. The phrase in the OP -  "...there are some who think that the 'heart of the earth' mentioned in the verse is referring to the tomb" should be changed to read - "...there are some who think that the 'heart of the earth' mentioned in the verse is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to when His spirit left His body."

  16. 15 hours ago, bluewater said:

    "and be raised up on the third day." (Mat 16:21)

    To be resurrected "on" the third day is to be resurrected during that very day, during any portion of that day.

    If Jesus' body was dead three full 24-hour periods, then He would have been raised on the fourth day.

    Your post about the 4th day is with regard to a different issue. 

     

    BTW, Mark 8:31 says that the Messiah would be raised after 3 days.  And that is in line with Luke 24:21 and Matthew 12:40.  So all the verses which say on the 3rd day have to be referring to the 3rd day after His death. 
     

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