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  1. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "From your comments above it appears that you are viewing this reference to days as a reference to "fasting on certain days." However, I see NO reference to the idea of fasting in the chapter at all. Could you point out the particular wording anywhere in the chapter which moves you to the idea of fasting?" Verse 6 - "He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks." I take this to be saying that days are being observed for eating or not eating. I take not eating to be refering to fasting.
  2. robycop3, re: " Simple truth is, Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY...And I believe Jesus was resurrected just before sunset on the regular weekly Sabbath of that week..." Luke 24:21 has the men on the road to Emmaus saying that the 1st day of the week " is the 3rd day since these things happened", with the crucifixion being the last thing mentioned as happening (verse 24:20). So if the 1st day of the week was the 3rd day since the crucifixion, then the 7th day of the week would be the 2nd day since the crucifixion, which would make the 6th day of the week the 1st day since the crucifixion, which would make the 5th day of the week the day when the last thing mentioned happened, i.e., the crucifixion and not the 4th day of the week as you suggest.
  3. No, not in the 2 verses when taken alone and not surrounded by the context of the chapter. However, the context of the chapter from beginning to end deals with the issue of the eating of animal food versus vegetables along with the related practice of fasting on certain days. Verse 20 sums up the intent of the chapter: "Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food."
  4. weary warrior, re: "If you still can't see it..." No "if" about it. I still don't see where Romans 14 says anything about the Sabbath.
  5. weary warrior, re: "5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. note 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it." And again, the issues being addressed in Romans 14 have to do with dietary practices. Nothing is said about the Sabbath. re: "The early church DID worship on the first day of the week, yes." Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to saying that anyone met on the first day of the week for the purpose of weekly worship - or for that matter for a day of rest. With regard to your comments about calendars, I still don't see your point with regard to Sabbath observance.
  6. weary warrior, re: "Does Romans 14 not answer this whole question clearly, completely and simply?" Not in any of the various translations/versions that I've seen. The subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with dietary practices. This chapter says nothing with regard to the Sabbath. re: "The SDA's argue against Sunday worship because 'it was invented by Rome' while observing the Hebrew 'Sabbath' on a Gregorian calendar, given to them by ... Pope Gregory!" I'm afraid I don't understand your point. I wonder if you might elaborate?
  7. DaveW started this topic with what I thought was with regard to weekly meetings on the first day of the week. He wrote: "...the Bible is quite plain that organised meetings were absolutely definitely held on Sundays." Although not specifically stated, my reply was predicated on the idea that he was at least implying that there were multiple accounts of folks meeting weekly on the first day of the week. So when I wrote there were only two times mentioned in scripture I was referring to weekly gatherings on the first day of the week. I didn't include the Acts reference since it is referring to an annual event. In the furture I will try to be more specific with regard to my intent.
  8. So why did you quote my comment, i.e., "When I said that there were only 2 times mentioned with anyone getting together on the 1st day of the week I was speaking with regard to weekly gatherings." if your question marks were not asking about that comment?
  9. re: "In that case then, you will have one person who thinks this way." I thought most Baptists think the crucifixion occurred on the 6th day of the week. Has that belief changed?
  10. Maybe someone new visiting this topic who believes the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who thinks He was using common figure of speech/colloquial language in Matthew 12:40 might know of examples to support the idea of commonality.
  11. Point #5 in post #102 should be changed to read: To account for the discrepancy, there may be some of the above who say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.
  12. DaveW, re: "I might suggest though that Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday for the burial, is not as important as the fact that the tomb is indeed empty." As Jerry touched on, would that comment still apply if the tomb had been found empty on the 1st day after the burial?
  13. In thinking about it, I realize that it doesn't make any difference with regard to sunset versus sunrise; there would still be a lack of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion.
  14. John Young, re: "Acts 12 says it." I don't see where Acts 12 says that anyone was observing the 1st day of the week in honor of the resurrection.
  15. Jerry, re: "Oh, so you are simply a heretic who doesn’t believe the New Testament..." I believe the New Testament is silent with regard to anyone observing the 1st day of the the week for the purpose of honoring the resurrection. re: ". So what are you? Seventh Day Adventist or some other cult?" Neither one.
  16. Jerry, re: "Just to clarify: what are you asking or debating here exactly?" John Young wrote that the "Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem...celebrated Easter..." I merely replied that I was not aware of any scripture which said that. re: "Denying or questioning they gathered on the first day of the week..." No. John 20:19 and Acts 20:7 say that there were 2 times when they met.
  17. Jerry, re: "There are various references to both gathering together on the first day of the week and remembering Christ’s (death, burial, and) resurrection." Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place. The Acts reference might very well have them together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840. But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.
  18. John Young, re: "... most every Christian has celebrated it [the resurrection] daily weekly and yearly for almost 2,000 years. If you can't see it then its because you don't want to see it." What I don't see is where scripture says that anyone celebrated/observed/honored the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.
  19. John Young, re: "We Gentiles don't but the Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem did in Acts 12. They kept the Passover week as part of their National traditions and celebrated Easter (Resurrection Morning) at the end of those events." Are you saying that NT Christians celebrated the resurrection on resurrection morning? If so, I'm not aware of any scripture which says that.
  20. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "Nehemiah thought that the sabbath day began at sunset." But I doubt that Nehemiah thought that the Messiah would be crucified on the 6th day of the week. re: "As far as the question in the original posting, I cannot answer...I am convinced that our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Thursday." And as such, this topic does not really apply to you.
  21. I need to add: "and who thinks that a calendar day begins at sunset".
  22. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "For the New Testament believer, gathering on Sunday looks back to the resurrection of Christ..." Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone getting together in observance or celebration of the resurrection.

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