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  1. Maybe someone new visiting this topic who believes the Messiah died on the 6th day of the week and who thinks He was using common figure of speech/colloquial language in Matthew 12:40 might know of examples to support the idea of commonality.
  2. Point #5 in post #102 should be changed to read: To account for the discrepancy, there may be some of the above who say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.
  3. DaveW, re: "I might suggest though that Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday for the burial, is not as important as the fact that the tomb is indeed empty." As Jerry touched on, would that comment still apply if the tomb had been found empty on the 1st day after the burial?
  4. In thinking about it, I realize that it doesn't make any difference with regard to sunset versus sunrise; there would still be a lack of a third night with a 6th day of the week crucifixion.
  5. John Young, re: "Acts 12 says it." I don't see where Acts 12 says that anyone was observing the 1st day of the week in honor of the resurrection.
  6. Jerry, re: "Oh, so you are simply a heretic who doesn’t believe the New Testament..." I believe the New Testament is silent with regard to anyone observing the 1st day of the the week for the purpose of honoring the resurrection. re: ". So what are you? Seventh Day Adventist or some other cult?" Neither one.
  7. Jerry, re: "Just to clarify: what are you asking or debating here exactly?" John Young wrote that the "Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem...celebrated Easter..." I merely replied that I was not aware of any scripture which said that. re: "Denying or questioning they gathered on the first day of the week..." No. John 20:19 and Acts 20:7 say that there were 2 times when they met.
  8. Jerry, re: "There are various references to both gathering together on the first day of the week and remembering Christ’s (death, burial, and) resurrection." Actually, as far as scripture is concerned, there are only two times mentioned with regard to anybody getting together on the first (day) of the week - John 20:19 and Acts 20:7. There is never any mention of them ever again being together on the first. The John reference has them together in a closed room after the crucifixion because they were afraid of their fellow Jews. Nothing is said about a worship service or day of rest. And it couldn't have been in recognition of the resurrection because at that time they didn't even believe that the resurrection had taken place. The Acts reference might very well have them together to break bread with Paul because he happened to be in town and wanted to talk to them before he had to leave again. The "breaking of bread" can simply be saying that the disciples got together to eat a meal on this particular first day of the week . The phrase, "to break bread", does not have to refer to a religious service - unless it is specifically stated - but to dividing loaves of bread for a meal. "It means to partake of food and is used of eating as in a meal...... The readers [of the original New Testament letters and manuscripts] could have had no other idea or meaning in their minds" (E.W.Bullinger, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible, pp. 839,840. But even if the breaking of bread mentioned always did refer to the Lord’s Supper, it had nothing to do with placing a special emphasis on the first (day) because Acts 2:46 says that they broke bread every day.
  9. John Young, re: "... most every Christian has celebrated it [the resurrection] daily weekly and yearly for almost 2,000 years. If you can't see it then its because you don't want to see it." What I don't see is where scripture says that anyone celebrated/observed/honored the resurrection on the 1st day of the week.
  10. John Young, re: "We Gentiles don't but the Early Christian JEWS of Jerusalem did in Acts 12. They kept the Passover week as part of their National traditions and celebrated Easter (Resurrection Morning) at the end of those events." Are you saying that NT Christians celebrated the resurrection on resurrection morning? If so, I'm not aware of any scripture which says that.
  11. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "Nehemiah thought that the sabbath day began at sunset." But I doubt that Nehemiah thought that the Messiah would be crucified on the 6th day of the week. re: "As far as the question in the original posting, I cannot answer...I am convinced that our Lord Jesus Christ was crucified on Thursday." And as such, this topic does not really apply to you.
  12. I need to add: "and who thinks that a calendar day begins at sunset".
  13. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "For the New Testament believer, gathering on Sunday looks back to the resurrection of Christ..." Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone getting together in observance or celebration of the resurrection.
  14. Pastor Scott Markle, re: "John 20:19..." First time. re: "Acts 20:7..." Second time. re: "Acts 2:1..." When I said that there were only 2 times mentioned with anyone getting together on the 1 st day of the week I was speaking with regard to weekly gatherings. re: "1 Corinthians 16:2..." Nothing is said about anyone getting together on the 1st day of the week.
  15. Alan, re: "I beg to differ." That of course is your prerogative. I maintain my position, though. As I stated previously, there are only 2 times where scripture mentions anyone getting together on the 1st day of the week. And neither time is anything said about the purpose being for rest and worship. re: "First, you are trying to make your own facts..." They are not my facts. They are the facts of scripture. See above. re: "Whether or not there is a scripture verse, as you say, "rescinding" worshipping on the Sabbath day [and there isn't] is immaterial to the saints in the New Testament church." Maybe, maybe not. Look, I'm not saying that the moving of rest and worship from the 7th day of the week to the 1st day of the week isn't a divinely approved change. I'm only saying that there is nothing in scripture directing such a change. re: "Also, It seems to me that you are making it an issue, and judging us, to require the New Testament saint to worship on the Jewish Sabbath: Saturday, the sixth day." Actually, the Sabbath is the seventh day of the week. And I'm not judging or requiring anything from anyone. I'm merely pointing out what scripture does and doesn't say. re: "And, to state that the 'status quo' is still in place. I didn't say that. I said that based on scripture it seems that there is no scriptural reason for thinking that the status quo has changed. re: "To me , this is a forced interpretation, an error, not binding on any saint, and is against the words of Paul the Apostle in Colossians 2:16." It appears you are interpreting Paul to fit with your preconceived position with regard to the Sabbath. re: "Did not Paul plainly state, 'Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days.' Colossians 2:16" With regard to what with respect of the sabbath days?
  16. DaveW, re: "Fact: the ONLY day that is specifically mentioned as having a church service OF ANY SORT, is the first day. That DOESN'T mean that a church service HAS to be on the first day. In fact there are references to churches meeting daily, so apparently ANY DAY is OK to have a church service." And that is all I'm trying to point out; that as far as scripture is concerned, there is nothing special about the 1st day of the week. I think there may be some who think that scripture says that there is. re: "...FACT: Nowhere is it commanded to have a church service on the Sabbath day." Again, I was merely pointing out that scripture is silent with regard to a repeal of the 4th commandment (3rd if you're RC).
  17. Fact: No where does scripture say that anyone met on the 1st day of the week for rest and worship, much less that they did it on a recurring basis. Fact: No where does scripture ever say that the Sabbath commandment was rescinded. Seems as far as scripture in concerned that there is no scriptural reason for thinking that the status quo didn't remain in place.
  18. Dave W, You have a question directed to you in post 71.
  19. Since it's been awhile perhaps someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
  20. Jim_Alaska, re: "What will that accomplish for you. It would satisfy my curiosity if they provide actual examples to support their assertion of commonality.
  21. But perhaps sometime in the future someone who does think the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week will look in on this topic.
  22. Apparently there are no longer any folks here who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week.
  23. Someone new looking in may know of examples.
  24. OK, tell me why I should accept posts that deal with different issues from the issue of this topic?

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