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    Jerry got a reaction from HappyChristian in Seeing : Salvation   
    Actually, you are dead wrong and teaching falsehood. The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith. Again, with the straw men. Repentance is not cleaning up your life - it is changing your mind about your sin and turning from it in your heart. If it is true repentance, it WILL reflect in the life - but the changed life is the result of true repentance, not the repentance itself.
    Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
    If repentance was turning from unbelief, then that verse above would not make sense: believe so you can believe.
    Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
    Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
    Oh, it's ok, brother, you sinned against me, but now you believe, so we are all good (though you never made that sin right, hm).
    Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
    God is not going to wipe away your sin until you repent of that sin.
    Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    Hm, same idea here.
    Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
    Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
    Repent of your UNBel... wait, wickedness!
    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Um, believe and believe?
    Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
    2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
    Here, Paul is talking to believers - but the word means the same, and it is not repent of unbelief, but of specific sins.
    Revelation 2:21-22 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
    Revelation 9:20-21 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
    Six examples of UNBELIEF they were to repent of!! Oh wait, those are examples of specific sins... Doh!!
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    Jerry got a reaction from Pastor Matt in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    I am sorry I forgot to post an update. He came home from the hospital last night, and is doing much better. I almost wrote "He went home last night" - but thought that might not be the best way to word it!
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    Jerry got a reaction from Napsterdad in Seeing : Salvation   
    Actually, you are dead wrong and teaching falsehood. The Bible teaches repentance from sin and repentance are both necessary for faith. Again, with the straw men. Repentance is not cleaning up your life - it is changing your mind about your sin and turning from it in your heart. If it is true repentance, it WILL reflect in the life - but the changed life is the result of true repentance, not the repentance itself.
    Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
    If repentance was turning from unbelief, then that verse above would not make sense: believe so you can believe.
    Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
    Luke 17:3-4 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.
    Oh, it's ok, brother, you sinned against me, but now you believe, so we are all good (though you never made that sin right, hm).
    Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
    God is not going to wipe away your sin until you repent of that sin.
    Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
    Hm, same idea here.
    Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
    Acts 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
    Repent of your UNBel... wait, wickedness!
    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
    Um, believe and believe?
    Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
    2 Corinthians 12:21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
    Here, Paul is talking to believers - but the word means the same, and it is not repent of unbelief, but of specific sins.
    Revelation 2:21-22 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
    Revelation 9:20-21 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
    Six examples of UNBELIEF they were to repent of!! Oh wait, those are examples of specific sins... Doh!!
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    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    I am sorry I forgot to post an update. He came home from the hospital last night, and is doing much better. I almost wrote "He went home last night" - but thought that might not be the best way to word it!
  5. I Agree
    Jerry reacted to Napsterdad in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Once again, I’m a simple man and there are just some very simple hurdles I cannot get over to carry me into a Calvinist mindset.
    Throughout the Bible following God and salvation are given as choices, not a foregone conclusion already settled by God; and I’m not even touching on all the “whosoever” verses that infer choice.
    Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
    From the very beginning Adam and Eve were given a choice. They did not have to eat that fruit. Unfortunately man has been making poor choices ever since.
    Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
    Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
    Joshua 24:22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses.
    YE have chosen??? Huh. Not God has chosen? That’s odd if it’s all predetermined.
    1 Kings 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
    Here is a choice between two opinions. Elijah asks them to choose.
    Psalms 119:30 I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me.
    David chose the way of truth. Interesting.
    Proverbs 3:5-6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
    Trust in the Lord, or lean on our own understanding. If we trust in the Lord He will direct our paths. That is a choice we must make.
    Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
    Why did Jesus mention a choice of two gates if it was already predetermined which gate each person would take?
    Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
    IF???? How could Jesus possibly say IF if our salvation status is predetermined.
    Why would God’s word make so many references to our choosing to follow Him if it is all predetermined? Is God deceiving us? I can’t, and won’t, believe that; so I must believe that we do indeed have a choice. We can choose the straight gate of salvation, or the wide gate of destruction. Sounds pretty simple to me.
    My oldest son is 33 years old. For a good part of his life (since he was five until he went in the Navy at 17) he had gone to solid Bible believing churches and been fed sound doctrine there and at home. Early on he professed to be saved, but it was not true. It wasn’t long into his Navy life that he came home and told us what we already surmised: he was not saved.
    Since that time, he went to college and graduated Summa Cum Laude with a degree in chemistry. Obviously, being in the sciences, he was inundated with all the evolutionary arguments and led away from any possibility of a creation account. That along with his philosophy courses and a period of time when he deliberately read nothing but books that spoke against there being a god (Dawkins, Nietzsche, and others), has made him someone who on the surface seems an Atheist. But is he, or is he just kicking against the pricks?
    For one, he knows the Bible better than many Christians I know. He also knows the Quran quite well and has these two, along with other spiritual books, prominent on his reference shelf at home (right among his science books). He has a strong Christian ethic and behaviors. I often refer to him as the best unsaved Christian you could ever meet. Train up a child in the way he should go… His ex-wife went off the deep end and left him 1 ½ years ago and for a short period of time he went to his counselor's 7th Day Adventist church hoping to find peace and comfort. He could not continue with that because he knows the Bible too well and couldn’t buy what they were selling. He has rejected offers to come to our church. My personal belief is because he knows he’ll be brought closer to God than he is ready for.
    I say all this first in the hopes that many here will pray for my son, Jacob. That he will choose Christ and get saved.
    Secondly, to show that God has been calling my son and he has been rejecting that call. Jacob is obviously searching to fill a spiritual hole within himself, but has been choosing to spiritually go the way of the world. I do not believe he is predestined for hell or for heaven. I believe God is calling him. The CHOICE is his. Please pray with me that he makes the right choice before it is too late.
  6. I Agree
    Jerry reacted to BrotherTony in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    God pursues ALL of mankind and then COMMANDS them to repent. He draws all men unto himself, just as the Bible says. But, man can resist that call to repentance. That's personal accountability. If he had to MAKE you willing, you weren't willing at all. 
    I think you just answered yourself here... quotation of a Psalm by the Apostle Paul. So? Again, in no way whatsoever does this support your pet doctrine of Calvinism. 
    Nobody has stated this anywhere. This is a typical Calvinist straw man being thrown up. Y'all need to be getting some new lines.
    Exactly! LEADS US, not MAKES US!
    Ooopppss! There is that "God chose me, but didn't choose you" mentality. 
    We all would love to glorify God for all that He has done for us. 
  7. I Agree
    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    You are a broken record, endlessly repeating yourself.
    We cannot WILL ourselves to be born again. That is a work of the Holy Spirit enacted the moment we RECEIVE the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. In case you missed it, this is the verse right before the one you ripped out of context and attempt to give a false/twisted meaning:
    John 1:12
    But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    Maybe one day God might sovereignly elect you to salvation, then you might actually understand all the passages you twist and give a heretical meaning.
  8. I Agree
    Jerry reacted to BrotherTony in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Yes, that is true, and nobody is disputing this ...man can't save himself by his own will ..but, he can submit to the Holy Spirits convicting his soul and come to Christ.  Repeating verses over and over don't change the FACT that a person must make a conscious decision to follow Christ. 
  9. Amen
    Jerry got a reaction from HappyChristian in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    How arrogant to think that you - a Calvinist - have everything right and can come here and tell non-Calvinists how wrong they are.
    Romans 9 is dealing with nations, not individuals.
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    Jerry reacted to heartstrings in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Deuteronomy 30:19 says.....
    19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
     
    So, why did God(same God) give people the option to "choose" life if He already has made the choice for them?
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    Jerry got a reaction from heartstrings in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Belief is not defined in the Bible as any kind of work (in fact it is the opposite). It is a response on our part to what God has done and said.
  12. I Agree
    Jerry got a reaction from Pastor Matt in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Belief is not defined in the Bible as any kind of work (in fact it is the opposite). It is a response on our part to what God has done and said.
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    Jerry got a reaction from HappyChristian in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    He is doing better but still in icu probably for several more days.
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    Jerry got a reaction from Rebecca in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    A bit earlier this morning, my pastor Randy Hoxie (Faith Baptist Church in Chilliwack, BC) had a heart attack and is undergoing surgery in a hospital in Vancouver right now. Please pray for the blockage to be removed and for the Lord to heal his heart (with no complications). Thank you in advance for any prayers.
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    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    He is doing better but still in icu probably for several more days.
  16. I Agree
    Jerry reacted to Napsterdad in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    The arguments given here against Calvinism are profound, and scripturally true. But I am a simple man and to me it all boils down to a very simple argument and verse.
    If Calvinism is true, then God deliberately creates THIS person for Heaven and then He deliberately creates THAT person for hell. 1 John 4:8 tells us that God is love. I'm sure that person that the Calvinistic god deliberately created for hell sure sees the Calvinistic god as love.
    I just cannot cross over that very simple hurdle. And no Calvinistic argument can change my mind. God is love. And He wants to share that love with whosever will. My loving God has NEVER created anyone for hell. If that is where you end up it was entirely your choice. 
  17. I Agree
    Jerry reacted to heartstrings in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Belief was totally selfish, on my part. I don't see how Calvinists can say our belief is 'taking credit" for salvation; unless they have never really been saved themselves.
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    Jerry reacted to Pastor Matt in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    Poor Calvinist...they are forced to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ outside of their will.  However, I willingly do it. 
  19. Amen
    Jerry got a reaction from Pastor Matt in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    How arrogant to think that you - a Calvinist - have everything right and can come here and tell non-Calvinists how wrong they are.
    Romans 9 is dealing with nations, not individuals.
  20. Praying
    Jerry got a reaction from Pastor Matt in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    A bit earlier this morning, my pastor Randy Hoxie (Faith Baptist Church in Chilliwack, BC) had a heart attack and is undergoing surgery in a hospital in Vancouver right now. Please pray for the blockage to be removed and for the Lord to heal his heart (with no complications). Thank you in advance for any prayers.
  21. Amen
    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    How arrogant to think that you - a Calvinist - have everything right and can come here and tell non-Calvinists how wrong they are.
    Romans 9 is dealing with nations, not individuals.
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    Jerry got a reaction from TheGloryLand in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    A bit earlier this morning, my pastor Randy Hoxie (Faith Baptist Church in Chilliwack, BC) had a heart attack and is undergoing surgery in a hospital in Vancouver right now. Please pray for the blockage to be removed and for the Lord to heal his heart (with no complications). Thank you in advance for any prayers.
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    Jerry got a reaction from Napsterdad in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    A bit earlier this morning, my pastor Randy Hoxie (Faith Baptist Church in Chilliwack, BC) had a heart attack and is undergoing surgery in a hospital in Vancouver right now. Please pray for the blockage to be removed and for the Lord to heal his heart (with no complications). Thank you in advance for any prayers.
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    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in Calvinism is an incorrect understanding of soteriology   
    I was made alive - quickened, regenerated - the moment I turned in faith to the Lord Jesus Christ. I was not regenerated first so I could believe. The conviction or sin and the enlightenment to understand the Gospel came first, then came repentance and faith on my part, then the Holy Spirit quickened and indwelt me. That is the Biblical order. Regeneration first so you can respond and be born again (which is the same as being regenerated) is a doctrine from the pit of Hell.
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    Jerry got a reaction from BrotherTony in My Pastor Had A Heart Attack   
    A bit earlier this morning, my pastor Randy Hoxie (Faith Baptist Church in Chilliwack, BC) had a heart attack and is undergoing surgery in a hospital in Vancouver right now. Please pray for the blockage to be removed and for the Lord to heal his heart (with no complications). Thank you in advance for any prayers.
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