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  1. You need to reread all my post, I did not even come close to stating such a thing.


    I stated, when the Christian dies their soul goes to Heaven to be with Jesus, their body goes into the grave, when Jesus comes for His own their body will be resurrected & will meet their soul in the air, them those who are alive at His coming will be change & caught up.


    Soul sleep is a false doctrine, & its not taught in the pages of the Bible.


    Sorry for my misunderstanding....thanks for clearing it up for me though!!  :)

  2. Yes, sad to say there's some preachers that says at funeral services that the departed has gone on to his or her rewards, but that is completely false. No child of God will receive their rewards until right after the rapture.


    1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.


    When He appears on that day some will be ashamed. What will Jesus catch you doing on that day when He comes for His brothers & sisters?


    So what you are saying Jerry Numbers is that those that have passed on in Christ, are currently 'sleeping' (they are not in heaven yet) but rather asleep, until the rapture when they will be taken up to heaven at that time??

  3. Deep fried perch and pickerel....with french fries of course.  I realize deep frying isn't the healthiest method of cooking fish but it is sure the tastiest!  We consume a lot of wild game and fish and most of our meat has not been injected with any hormones or chemicals to speed their growth.  We are a hunting family and catch most of what we consume.  :)

  4. Sister "Jesuspaiditall4all,"


    I believe that the answer to you dilemma (what appears to you as a contradiction between the above two passages) may be found through an understanding concerning the condition of an believer's body at death and concerning the condition of a believer's soul-spirit at death.  At the moment of physical death, the soul-spirit of the believer departs from the believer's body, so that the believer's physical body would then be defined as "dead."  Indeed, this was the point that Paul was making (under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit) in 2 Corinthians 5:8, when he made reference to being "absent from the body." 


    In fact, the apostle Paul's statement in 2 Corinthians 5:8 was delivered contextually in direct contrast to the statement that he had previously made in verse 6 -- "Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord."  Herein the apostle refers to the physical body as a type of "home" (or, "house") for the soul-spirit of the believer.  Yea, in verses 1-4 he had already emphasized this "physical body as a house" picture.  Furthermore, in verse 6 the apostle indicated that while we (our soul-spirit, the essential part of us that makes us to be us) are "at home" in the house of our physical body, we (our soul-spirit) are "absent from the Lord."  On the other hand, in verse 8 the apostle indicated the opposite condition (the condition that he personally desired) -- that when we (our soul-spirit) is "absent from the body" in and through death, then we (our soul-spirit) is "present with the Lord." 


    In this manner, 2 Corinthian 5:6 & 8 teach the following truths of contrast:

              At home (present) in the body = Absent from the Lord

              Absent from the body (in death) = Present with the Lord


    (Note:  It is true that 2 Corinthians 5:8 is often misquoted to say, "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord," when it actually says, "To be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."  However, in considering the grammar and context of 2 Corinthians 5:8, we are to understand that the conjunction "and" is employed as a term of equivalency.  As such, this conjunction "and" indicates that the two statements which it connects occur in direct union with one another.)


    Yet what about those passages (such as 1 Corinthians 15:51) that employ the word "sleep" in relation to the death of a believer?  Such passages employ the word "sleep," not in relation to the soul-spirit of the believer, but to the dead body (from which the soul-spirit has departed in death) of the believer.  As such, the word "sleep" is employed as a picturesque figure of speech for the condition of the dead body, since in death the body has an appearance of being asleep.  Indeed, within its immediate context, the truths of 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 concerning our change from corruptible to incorruptible and from mortal to immortality specicially refers to the believers physical body.  In fact, 1 Corinthians 15:51-56 actually serves as the immediate conclusion for the previous discussion that encompasses verses 35-50 (wherein the word "body" is employed ten times).  That particular discussion begins with the questions of verse 35, "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up?  And with what body do they come?"


    So then, God's Word employs the idea of "sleep" as picture for the dead physical body of the believer; but God's Word teaches that the soul-spirit of the beleiver is immediately "present with the Lord" at the moment of death.  Indeed, the teaching of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 supports this understanding (even as Brother Jerry attempted to reveal).  In verse 13 those who are "dead in Christ" are described as "those which are asleep," and in verse 14 they are described as "them also which sleep in Jesus."  Now, verse 14 indicates that when the Lord Jesus Christ HImself "shall descend from heaven," He will "bring with him" these believers (which would seem to imply that they were originally "with him" in heaven).  Yet verse 16 indicates that when the Lord Jesus Christ Himself "shall descend from heaven," these believers "shall rise first" out from the dead."  How then can these same believers both come back with the Lord from heaven and rise again from the dead of this earth?  The answer is that their soul-spirit, which in the moment physical death was "present with the Lord," shall be that part of them which comes back with the Lord and that their physically dead bodies which remained upon the earth shall be raised up from that death.


    I pray that my lengthy ramblings will be of some help inanswering your questions.



    I believe your explanation has made it clearer for me and if I understood what you stated from the scripture I quoted, I understand it to mean.....

    When a believer dies their soul goes directly to be with the LORD and then in the future when Jesus returns, at that time those bodies who are asleep (dead in Christ)  will be transformed to their new heavenly bodies and will rise first and go directly to heaven?

    So if I have understood correctly, that leads me to wonder what their bodies are now?  All those currently in heaven are they just a group of heavenly souls without a body or face?  How will they recognize their loved ones who have gone on before them??

    This explanation has opened up a whole new set of questions for me....that is if I understood you properly??

  5. Quote:

    2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV 1900)

    8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.(end quote)


    I believe that this verse is one of the most mis-quoted verses in the Bible.  I have heard many great preachers and lay people quote it the way you did, but if you read it carefully, Paul makes no such statement, he merely says he would rather be with the Lord, than here on earth.  Don't get me wrong, I believe that we go immediately to heaven when we die, as Lazurus did accompanied by angels, but I don't believe this verse says that.


    Luk 16:22  And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;



    I also believe we go immediately to be with the Lord upon our death if we have accepted Christ, however, how do you explain 1 Thessalonians 4 13-18


    But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.




    The above scripture looks to be saying that those that have passed in Christ and are in the grave are "asleep" rather then already being present with the LORD?

  6. "What happens after death?"

    In the Christian faith, there is much confusion regarding what happens after death. Some believe that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. What do you say... what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?


  7. I am not sure if this has already been discussed here anywhere, but if it has I am sorry I missed it.


    This has been a puzzling area for me and I would love to read and receive some insight on it.  It's regarding being a Christian and passing on versus the Resurrection.  


    2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV 1900)

    8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.



    This verse says to me, to be absent from our body (death) is to be present with the Lord.  




    1 Corinthians 15:51–54 (KJV 1900)

    51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible 

    must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


    It appears to me that these two areas of scripture are opposing each other.  I have read that when a Christian dies they go to sleep per say and will remain that way until Jesus comes again and at that time the souls in Christ will rise first and become present with the LORD.  


    Another area that needs clarifying is God's judgement....are we judged when we die or when we are resurrected?  


    Looking for biblical truth.


  8. Grits are kind of like Cream of Wheat, except grits are made from corn, not wheat.


    We just had leftover hamburger helper (Cheeseburger macaroni).  I doctored it up with frozen veggies and a can of diced tomatoes.


    I like Cream of Wheat, so I may like grits then!!  Cheeseburger macaroni with frozen veggies and diced tomatoes sound pretty tasty too!!  :)

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