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  1. 4 points
    How'd that work out for you? Didn't even TRY to impeach in 2018, WAS impeached in 2020, but not convicted and removed because he didn't commit any actual crimes. Something you need to learn yet, even though you say you're too old to care: ALL politicians are liars. Every single one of them. Trump, really, is more of an embellisher, throwing out numbers and stats off the top of his head, not really worried about actual numbers. It isn't good, certainly, but as has been said many times, we didn't vote for Pastor-In-Chief, we voted for President. What we got in Trump is someone who means what he says, believes in what this country can be, and desires that everyone have the opportunity to be the person they want to be. For a billionaire, he is refreshingly 'normal', and seems to have a much better understanding of the common man, as opposed to the career politicians we normally get, who have forgotten what it was like NOT to be a politician. I don't know that he is saved, but at least he is pro 1st amendment protection of religion, and is probably far more Christian than Obama was. And he has handled the "pandemic" far better than the Dems would have, seeing as how they were encouraging people to travel to go out, to remain among others, while calling Trump a racist for stopping travel from China, and now they say he didn't do that early enough, even while Nancy Pelosi was busy slurping up chow mein in Chinatown.
  2. 4 points
    Well, this is my very first read through this thread discussion; and I just wanted to point out -- It appears that someone lost this "unlosable" bet, huh.
  3. 3 points
    That's why the KJV isn't called the New Bishops bible. It was meant to be an an authoritative revision of all those that came before it. Modern Critical text revisions by their very nature are not authoritative works as they exclude the tradition of those faithful works that came before them in favor of "new discoveries" of manuscripts not historically used and passed down in the churches. The NKJV while claiming authoritative lineage favors and inserts into its text critical text revisions of doubtful origin and therefor it is not a KJV nor faithful to the text it claims to merely "update".
  4. 3 points
    Alan

    Covid19 Exposed Finally

    The US bill by Rep. Rush, HR6666, the 'Contact Tracing,' and the other items mentioned in the video I uploaded, are not nonsense. Once the governor of any state declares an 'medical emergency,' the Governor could, and would, make it all 'mandatory.' Also, as one example, if you look in the HR 6666 bill you read these words, " ... and related activities" can mean anything the health tester deems related; which includes quarantine where they deem necessary. Also, HR 6666 states," ...such as contact tracing." 'Contact Tracing' is insidious and the health tester can make any decision for any one of the individuals the person 'infected' had contact with. Also, the HR 666 is clear in its meaning the 'contact tracing' is only one example of the powers that the health person can use. Also, HR 6666 states, "...and for other purposes." That means that whatever purpose the person conducting the tests deems necessary to prevent the spread of the disease has the authority to whatever he deems necessary. All decisions are taken out of the hand of the individuals tested and the health tester makes the decision what to do. The entire video was a good video and not nonsense. In the last few months we have seen Governors of the States, local mayors, and medical personnel take away our Constitutional rights, force us to stay at home, force us to wear masks, force us to loose our jobs, and force churches to close due to a 'medical emergency.' "Contact Tracing' will enable local, untrained, medical personnel, come into our homes due to a 'medical emergency' and make whatever decision the deem necessary. No, the video was not nonsense, it is perfectly sensible, right, and correct in the dangers of HR 6666, and the other items in they video.
  5. 3 points
    Ahhh, but here is my problem with your above statement. You continue to use the two phrases, "Fundamentals of the Faith" and "secondary issues." However, these phrases are NOT found in God's Word; therefore, we cannot acquire a direct Biblical definition for these phrases. As such, these phrases are able to be defined according to our own preferences/agendas. How then do we define the "line of separation" according to a BIBLICAL definition thereof? How do we define "Fundamentals of the Faith" from GOD'S OWN WORD? How do we define "secondary issues" from GOD'S OWN WORD? Now, I myself have presented an actual teaching on separation from GOD'S OWN WORD, as per 1 Timothy 6:3-5. According to that teaching of GOD'S OWN WORD the matter for separation is NOT the "Fundamentals of the Faith" versus "secondary issues." Rather, according to the teaching of GOD'S OWN WORD in that passage, the matter for separation is "if ANY man" (believer or unbeliever) teaches contrary "to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness." This is how GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF defines the matter of doctrinal separation. As for me, I prefer to follow God the Holy Spirit on the matter of separation rather than man-made definitions and paradigms on the matter. By the way, the phrase, "come out from among them, and be ye separate" is found in 2 Corinthians 6:16. The context for this verse encompasses 2 Corinthians 6:14-18. 2 Corinthians 6:14 begins, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with UNBELIEVERS . . . ." Even so, this passage is NOT about separation from those who teach and/or hold to false doctrine. Rather, this passage is about separation from UNBELIEVERS simply because they are unbelievers. The "them" of 2 Corinthians 6:16 from whom we are to "come out" and be "separate" are the UNBELIEVERS of 2 Corinthians 6:14. Now, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 DOES indeed apply to the Biblical doctrine of separation, but NOT concerning separation over false teaching and from false teachers (which is taught in passages such as 1 Timothy 6:3-5). Brother DaChaser, my counsel (for what it may be worth to you) is that - if you really want to stand for Biblical truth, then you should bring forward a whole lot more actual Scripture into your communications and discussions, and that you should spend much more time actually exegeting those Scriptural passages according to their grammar and context.
  6. 3 points
    Alan

    Revelation Bible Study.

    Ezekiel 45:1-8, “The Dividing of the land of Israel According to the Tribes of Israel.” Introduction The context of Ezekiel 45:1-8 is within the context of the ‘visions of God’ starting in Ezekiel 40:1 and continuing to the end of the book of Ezekiel 48:35. The ‘visions of God’ in this complete section of Ezekiel of the Tabernacle are literal, and cannot be construed, or interpreted, in any allegorical sense of the word. Also, the description of the Tabernacle, the offerings, the Levites, the Prince, the ceremonies, the courts, have not been fulfilled in the building of the Temple as recorded in Ezra 6-10, nor can it be a description of Herod’s Temple, nor can it be the Temple built during the 7-Year Tribulation Period, nor in any physical, or spiritual, sense of the word since Ezekiel penned the prophecy. Therefore, the building of the Tabernacle as described by the prophecy of Ezekiel is future. Since the scripture is very clear that the Apostle John clearly states that in the New Jerusalem, and the New Earth, there is no temple. “And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.” (Revelation 21:22). The only possible point in time, as far as the scriptures are concerned, that the prophecy of Ezekiel can be fulfilled as written, is during the 1000-Year Reign of Christ as depicted in Revelation 20:4-8.
  7. 3 points
    2bLikeJesus

    What Gets Your Gripe On?

    People who try to justify drinking alcohol because "Jesus made wine at the wedding feast". Just horrible Bible study on the use of the word "wine" in the Bible. Drives me nuts.
  8. 3 points
    It's not what we think but what the Bible says. The Bible says that "God so loved the world" not some of the world. The Bible says that "God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked". The Bible says that "God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance". The Bible documents that people can hear the Gospel, be convicted, and then reject it of their own free will. And God has documented that He loves people who He knows will reject Him. I can give you more but I'm kind of busy right now.
  9. 3 points
    Was just thinking that maybe I should give some examples of doctrines that I view as "fundamental," more than the commonly listed five: 1. The Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (and the 1,000 year reign thereafter). 2. Biblical Creationism (as per seven literal days, by the power of God's Word). 3. Believer's Baptism by immersion. etc. Certainly, others may not agree with me concerning the fundamental importance of these doctrines (and of those that fall within the "etc."). However, I am not responsible to make separation decisions FOR them (although I may make separation decisions FROM them). Rather, I am responsible before the Lord my God to make separation decision for myself and those whom I have been appointed to lead and to teach.
  10. 3 points
    Brother DaChaser, As I stated earlier in this thread discussion, I hold that Calvinistic/Reformed soteriology is false doctrine; however, I would agree that many who hold to that doctrine are indeed saved through faith in Christ alone, and are thus my brethren in Christ. (Even so, I have called you "Brother" above.) Having acknowledged the above, I would now ask the question -- WHO defines what is a "secondary issue" that is not worthy of separation? For that matter, where do we get the idea that even "secondary issues" themselves are not worthy of separation? I myself would contend that God Himself in His Own Word has taught us the doctrine of separation; therefore, we MUST glean the answers for these question from the Biblical doctrine on the matter. Does God's Own Word teach us that we should ONLY separate over the "fundamentals of the faith," and that there are ONLY five of those? Or is that a man-made paradigm? I myself would contend that it is indeed a man-made paradigm. Yes, I WOULD separate over "the fundamentals of the faith." Yet I would contend that there are a few more than five "fundamentals of the faith." Furthermore, I would contend that the Biblical doctrine of separation teaches separation over MORE than just the "fundamentals of the faith."
  11. 3 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Separation over doctrine.

    Understood. I, on the other hand, will continue to hold that Calvinistic/Reformed soteriology is false doctrine; and I WILL separate over it - at least over the two points of regeneration before faith and of limited atonement.
  12. 3 points
    2bLikeJesus

    Chuch Notice!

  13. 3 points
    Ukulelemike

    Separation over doctrine.

    I guess we all need to choose our hills to fight on, but seems to me that HOW one is saved in the first place is a pretty big hill. Since standard Calvinist doctrine teaches one is regenerated before they are saved, that's plain heresy. But you pick your fights, I will pick mine.
  14. 3 points
    KJV ME said: "For over 50 years I have mined this book and taken the treasures and gems from it and thank God for opening my eyes to the truth and his KJV to his blood bought children... Let others read what they want, they won't listen and God allows them to walk around in darkness..." Amen and amen! Thank you for your testimony and your love for the KJV. At 19 years old I started on my journey learning the truths of the scriptures and found the treasures, the gold, the gems, contained therein. During that course of my journey I have read, and studied, most of the other versions that are available in the realm of Christianity. And, in my experience, none, may I repeat, none, of the other versions have any gems available. I love the KJV, with all of its thees and thous, and all other 'archaic' words, in it. I fully understand the difference between the original 1611 and the differences between the different KJV's and readily accept them all. For those folks who find fault with the KJV I feel sorry for you. You can take these new versions, including the NKJV, and leave us alone. I have not found, nor am I looking for, any new version that comes along.
  15. 3 points
    Rebecca

    Quarantine, Home, Rules for Taiwan.

    Without locking down the country and allowing businesses and schools to remain open, healthy people allowed to freely go about their daily lives (only the sick or travelers arriving from abroad or those who came into contact with the infected are quarantined), this is the result as of today: 6 straight days without a new case, 31 days without a domestically transmitted case. Of the 440 total confirmed cases, 375 have recovered, 7 deaths, the rest are still in hospital. This from a country less than 100 miles from China and a population of over 23 million. https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202005130008?fbclid=IwAR0P4swXfbP-QVSAdhoA87hcOf_Bil3mNx5drxAnoqtzMTzaZz2ApirnGtg
  16. 3 points
    1Timothy115

    The beauty of creation

    Butter weed covering the hills of S.E. Ohio...
  17. 3 points
    I agree. In fact, for many years I thought, following the standard IFB position that divorce disqualifies one for the position of a pastor, I sought and prayed for where to serve, but I had extremely clear direction to the pulpit where I still serve. And even here, I have prayed that if someone else was more suited to it, if the Lord would bring them and make it clear to me, that I would gladly stand down, yet that hasn't been the case. In fact, thus far, after 18 years as pastor here, the only options I have are to step down and shut down the church, or remain, and I won't just let the church close as long as there is anyone being helped and guided and saved through that ministry. I won't leave them with a Southern Baptist or Assembly of God as their only options.
  18. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Defining a PERFECT BIBLE

    It is obvious you don't consider it so, but Jesus certainly did. I firmly believe that the words preserved for me in the Bible were the mechanism that brought me to Christ. Romans 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
  19. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Defining a PERFECT BIBLE

    Matthew 23:24 (KJV) Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
  20. 2 points
    And that reveals one of the differences between us - I do NOT hold to "historical orthodoxy" as my authority for doctrine and behavior. Rather, I hold to GOD'S OWN WORD as my authority for doctrine and behavior. (Which is probably one of the reasons that my posts in this thread discussion have included actual Scriptural quotations and explanations for support, while yours have lacked actual Scriptural quotations.)
  21. 2 points
    Brother DaChaser, I do indeed believe that an individual can be a fellow believer through faith in Christ and yet disagree concerning the doctrine of the Second Coming, the doctrine of baptism, etc. However, I do NOT believe that the Biblical doctrine of separation limits separation only from unbelievers. In fact, in accord with 1 Timothy 6:3-5 I believe that the Biblical doctrine of separation requires me to separate from "ANY" individual (believer or unbeliever) who teaches contrary "to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness." This thread discussion is not about how we define who is a fellow believer. Rather, this thread discussion is about those from whom we should and will separate. Thus far you seem to be limiting the "line of separation" only in relation to unbelievers. I am contending that GOD'S OWN WORD also instructs us to separate from fellow believers in some cases.
  22. 2 points
    For a number of months during the messages at our little local church, I've been silently quoting a verse here and there that I'd memorized and found that I was off a word or two; so I thought. I didn't think that much about it because I figured that the Pastor was just quoting only part of the verse and continuing on with the message. It didn't even cross my mind until this morning as we were listening to our pastor giving the message on our church's radio station. He read a verse....one that I know very well...and I was flabberghasted! I quickly got on the cell and for some reason chose the NKJV to compare to and it what it said.....and that is exactly what the Pastor was reading from. In all honesty, I was just so disappointed and grieved that I simply couldn't even listen to the rest of the message. We have a copy of the Statement of Faith from 2005, and it says very clearly that the King James Version is the church's "official" version. I am so sad. The closest church that uses the KJV is at least 85 miles away - one way. Years ago we actually used to drive that far to go to church...but now that we are seniors, we simply can't go through all of the weather and the distance to go that far. Our church was the only church in our area that uses the KJV...and now...they don't. Please, if any of you can just give some counsel to help us with this situation it would be greatly appreciated. We know that this little church is the one that we have to stick with; that's just the way it is. What we need counsel for is how to deal with the disappointment and sadness in a godly way...and how to keep our attitude in check. The pastor at the church that we used to travel so far to - once said in one of his messages how important it is that we don't "browbeat" others about the KJV, but to remember that they probably just haven't been educated about it. I realize that sometimes just the simple truth with respect and honor, wisdom and meekness...is all that we can respond with. However, I believe that if that is to happen, that it needs to be my husband that follows through with that. Sigh...of course, we will be seeking the Lord's counsel overall... A very interesting verse that came to mind was Ps 138:2, "I will worship toward thy hold temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name." Looking forward to your responses...WWMS
  23. 2 points
    I have a few "tears" in my heart, yet a joyous smile on my face. First, I received some very godly counsel from my sister in Missouri concerning this matter. She goes to a little baptist church there that uses the KJV. Her suggestions were very simple, but also quite wise. Considering the things shared in this thread along with her thoughts truly gave me a peace. I have continued to pray about it all, but also truly cast the burden of it to the Lord, and have been waiting upon Him. (I just wanted to clarify that in the previous post that I made when speaking of James 1:4, I said a couple of times "TO ME..." because that is the way I take it - to me, why change a word that is easy to understand as is, to another word that is supposedly synonymous? Again, I'm very thankful to be fully persuaded about the KJV.) Just today, my husband was able to kindly and respectfully address the question to our pastor. There is no way that I can verbalize our pastor's response, but that is why I started this post as I did. I have a joyous smile because the Lord answered my prayers, but I am saddened by the pastor's response. Perhaps we are "marked and viewed" as "more staunch" about the KJV now, but we will not be contentious or divisive about it. Is this just the beginning of a "downward slide" (as Ukulelemike referred to it as)? O how I love the folks in our little church... I am so glad that the Lord knows my heart. James 1:5
  24. 2 points
    Alan

    Revelation Bible Study.

    The prophet Ezekiel prophesied, “Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the LORD, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.” Ezekiel 45:1 The Lord is audibly explaining to the prophet Ezekiel how they should divide the land for the sanctuary of God and for the inheritance of the people. The ‘land’ is clearly physical land, it cannot be heaven, and it cannot be spiritual, and allegory nor a reference to the any ‘inheritance to church age saints. The ‘Inheritance’ of the Saints in the Church In speaking to the saints in Colosse, and therefore to all of the saints in the church age, the apostle Paul states, “And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.” Colossians 3:23-24. If a saint in whatsoever he does, does it heartily as to the Lord, he will receive an inheritance. In the book of Ephesians chapter 1, the apostle Paul, among other spiritual truths, as an example, lets the saints in Ephesus know that the Holy Spirit, at the moment of salvation is the ‘earnest,’ or the down payment if you please, of our inheritance (Ephesians 1:13-14). The ‘earnest’ of the Holy Spirit to all saints in the Church Age is a ‘spiritual’ blessing. All of our blessings, all of the inheritance that Paul writes about in the book of Ephesians is ‘spiritual’ in ‘heavenly places. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.” Ephesians 1:4 The apostle Peter clearly stated that the inheritance of the saints in the church are in heaven. “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.” 1 Peter 1:3-4 The ‘inheritance’ of the saints in the church are spiritual and in heaven. There are no physical promises of an inheritance of any kind, especially that of ‘land,’ to the saints in the church. Therefore, the ‘land’ as mentioned by the prophet Ezekiel is not for the church. Furthermore, the ‘land’ that Ezekiel is referring to is the physical land of Israel and the ‘ye’ is therefore the leaders of the nation of Israel.
  25. 2 points
    Alan

    Covid19 Exposed Finally

    You need to watch this video. The WHO, George Soros, the Clinton's, the Communists, and many US governors, are using the COVID-19 pandemic to enact legislation to determine, with their own ideas, who is isolated, to come into homes to take away children from parents, and to force everyone to provide their daily contacts. These individuals and government representatives are using fear tactics to take away our personal freedoms, the freedom to worship and the freedoms within our very homes. Also, they absolutely do not care about our Bill of Rights nor the Constitution of the United States.
  26. 2 points
    Indeed. And as per my above posting, I hold that I am required by and before the Lord my God, in accord with the command of His Own Word, to separate from "any man" who teaches contrary to the "wholesome words" of our Lord Jesus Christ and "to the doctrine which is according to godliness," regardless of whether that "any man" is a fellow believer, or not. I wonder if you have Biblical support for your position on separation, or if you have simply chosen to follow a man-made paradigm on separation. Remember that the DOCTRINE of separation is a doctrine of God's Own Word. Therefore, any position that we take concerning separation SHOULD have Biblical support. Now, if your position on separation DOES have Biblical support, I request that you present the Biblical support thereof.
  27. 2 points
    So, let us consider one passage from God's Own Word, wherein we are taught the principle of separation over doctrine. 1 Timothy 6:3-5 -- "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." Herein God's Own Word does not define the matter according to "the fundamentals of the faith," nor does God's Own Word reference a category of "secondary issues." Rather, herein God's Own Word instructs us to engage in separation (to withdraw ourselves) if an individual is teaching contradictory to (1) the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ and to (2) the doctrine which is in accord with godliness. So then, to consider some of the examples that I mentioned above, over which I myself would engage in separation -- If an individual is teaching contrary to Biblical truth on these matters, are they teaching contrary to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ and/or to the doctrine which is in accord with godliness. (Indeed, as I write this I am thinking of another example that is much in our cultural context -- If an individual holds contrary to the Biblical definition of marriage, I will engage in separation (withdraw myself) from that individual.) Note: If we still want to maintain the idea of "fundamental" doctrines, then I will present myself as follows -- There are fundamental doctrines to Biblical interpretation. I will separate over them. There are fundamental doctrines to a Biblical world-view. I will separate over them. There are fundamental doctrines to Biblical Christianity. I will separate over them. There are fundamental doctrines to Biblical salvation. I will separate over them. There a fundamental doctrines to a Biblical church. I will separate over them. There are fundamental doctrines to Biblical sanctification and to Biblical godliness. I will separate over them. Etc.
  28. 2 points
    Miss Daisy

    What Gets Your Gripe On?

    I agree with the false teaching or quoting by unlearned Christians that Jesus made alcoholic wine. My other pet peeve it the Judge Not heresy. Nobody seems to know the following verse or that there is righteous judgement.
  29. 2 points
    Mark 1:15 (KJV) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Luke 13:3 (KJV) I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Acts 3:19 (KJV) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Mark 6:12 (KJV) And they went out, and preached that men should repent. Repentance and Belief; always in that order Scripturally. John the Baptist's message was: Matthew 3:2 (KJV) And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
  30. 2 points
    Ukulelemike

    Separation over doctrine.

    The way of eternal life is hardly a secondary issue.
  31. 2 points
    Just my personal opinion: There is no "good" NKJV Bible. Stick to the KJV.
  32. 2 points
    Independent Baptists are not a denomination. Therefore there can be no Independent Standard, we are Independent and each church or person has to make their own determination. Whereas denominations have standards that are put in place by "headquarters", or those outside of the Local Church. Of course there are issues such as this that Independent Baptists agree on, or differ on, they are not "standards", as such.
  33. 2 points
    Yeah hath God said?... We know who said that and that it caused the fall of man and it has been causing men to fall ever since... Do we believe that God preserved his word to his English speaking people or not, says he did and if we don't then God is a liar... Let God be true and every man a liar... Isn't it interesting that the KJV came about during great persecution in England in 1611 and not soon after those who received it took it to the New World in 1620... A book that talks about the blood of Christ and the sacrifice that was needed to saved sinful man was the answer of prayer by the blood of a martyr, I know the KJV and it has been my Bible over 50 years... Enough about my passion not to this unworthy one only by the grace of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ am I saved. Now to me, I am now 73 and grew up in the church and I feel my life has been church... I don't argue much I will tell you what I believe and let the chips fall where they may... And as Proverbs 15:1 says... A soft answer turneth away wrath but I will give you a lively discussion, observing Christian attitude as we all should... I am KJV!... I'm not KJVP... I don't prefer it over others as there is no other... I'm KJVO... Because there is ONLY one word of God... If anyone wants to argue this point go somewhere else I'm not interested... God Bless You All... I'm Brother Ramsey
  34. 2 points
    Alan

    Scientific Facts in the Bible.

    Brethren, I will be adding the following quotation to my study on, "Chapter 1 The Ordinances of Heaven." Any questions? Comments? God bless all of you! Alan Concerning the ordinances of heaven and the dominion of the earth, God asks Job this question, “Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?” Job 38:33. The American Heritage Dictionary’s primary and secondary definition of the word ‘set’ is: “1. To put in a specified position or arrangement. 2. To put in a specified state.” 1 Obviously, Job did not either know the ‘ordinances,’ or, ‘laws,’ governing the heavens nor set these laws. Job did not, ‘put in a specified position or arrangement’ nor ‘put in a specified state’ the ordinances of heaven nor ‘set’ the ordinances concerning the arrangement of the earth, the scientific laws concerning the earth nor the scientific laws governing the earth. The ‘dominion,’ of these ordinances in the earth and all of the ordinances of the heavens, and the earth, and the dominion, the ownership thereof, of the heavens and the earth, are ‘set,’ or, ‘put in a specified position or arrangement’ and ‘put in a specified state’ by God Himself. The greatest scientist that has every lived, Isaac Newton, wrote, “And from his true dominion it follows that the true God is a living, intelligent, and powerful Being; and, from his other perfections, that he is supreme, or most perfect. He is eternal and infinite, omnipotent and omniscient; that is, his duration reaches from eternity to eternity; his presence from infinity to infinity; he governs all things, and knows all things, that are or can be done.”2 The Psalmist stated, “Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul.” Psalm 103:22 1 The American Heritage Language Dictionary, 5th ed., s. v. Set, (New York, NY: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt). 2012. 2Newton, Isaac, Newton’s Principia. The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy, trans. Andrew Motte (New York: Daniel Adee, 1846), 505.
  35. 2 points
    I heard one preacher actually a friend of mine who has been preaching for over 60 years... What those who attack the KJV, what they don't understand is this English was not the English of the day... They took out the preface in the KJV because that was the English of the day... This is High English or as I like to think of it as Heavenly English... God did not use mundane English for his Bible, this English transcends all other English and is so simple a child can understand it... And if it has been good enough for over 400 years and all the old theologians quote it and go by it, Spurgeon certainly comes to mind and his illustration are beautiful, then it good enough now... Brother Ramsey
  36. 2 points
    Ukulelemike

    Separation over doctrine.

    It.absolutely raises to the level of separation, because we are dealing with the foundational doctrine of eternal life. If I say everyone has an equal.ability to call upon the name of the Lord to be saved, and YOU say, No, not everyone has that ability, that is a serious issue. I have personally witnessed the agony caused when a Calvinst had a hard time in sin and believed himself not of the elect, and it almost led him to suicide. I would perhaps talk with someone over the issue, but could not fellowship with them if that fundamental issue was in disagreement.
  37. 2 points
    WWMS, I sincerely apologize for my part in this; please forgive me. I pray that the Lord will give you wisdom and understanding in how to handle your current situation.
  38. 2 points
  39. 2 points
    Your initial statement with a caveat of supposedly acceding to moderator instructions is belied by your erroneous attachment of the word "myth," as well as your further statements of correction. It is not a matter of semantics. While some prepositions have similar meanings, they are not the same. You will cease and desist from "correcting" the KJB immediately, roby, in any way. You very well know that this is a KJB site, and yet you continually disrespect that. It needs to stop now.
  40. 2 points
    WellWithMySoul, I would like to recommend to you a book, 'One Book Stands Alone,' by Dr. Douglas Stauffer to help you deal with the situation with your pastor using the NKJV. The book gives one complete chapter, with examples, of the corruptness found in the NKJV. Some Christian bookstores either sell the book or they can order it for you. Here is the website address if you want to order it yourself. www.mccowenmills.com Alan Here is a quote from the book. Concerning the NKJV Dr. Stauffer states, “The changes found in the NKJV are too numerous to list completely. Some significant removals in the NKJV are as follows: 22 omissions of hell 23 omissions of blood 44 omissions of repent 48 omissions of heaven 51 omissions of God 66 omissions of Lord In addition to the above deletions, the words devils, damnation, JEHOVAH, and New Testament are omitted completely from the text of the NKJV!”1 1Stauffer, Douglas D., Dr., One Book Stands Alone, 2001. (Millbrook, AL: McCowen Mills Publisher), Page 150.
  41. 2 points
    Alan

    Quarantine, Home, Rules for Taiwan.

    Just thought a give a little update on how a civilized country, and a country that follows its CONSTITUTION, Taiwan, conducts "Home Quarantine" for : (1) Individuals with COVID-19 ; (2) Persons recently entering Taiwan. Please take careful note. A civilized country, or a government that does not have an hidden agenda, quarantines those with THE DISEASE or those WHO ARE SUSPECTED on having the disease. For your information, due to our just recent travel from a country, the US, that has a high incident of COVID-19 we are under a mandatory 14-day quarantine. By the way, Taiwan has one of the lowest death rates of COVID-19 among those countries that has the disease. The government of Taiwan, once the disease was found coming from Communist China immediately cut off air travel from , and to, Wuhan, China and took other precautionary measures without curtailing the freedoms of the people; including the FREEDOM TO ASSEMBLE. Church services are continuing as normal. Taiwan is a freedom loving country that respects the Constitutional right to assemble in church, or other peaceful assemblies, of its citizens. Also, the following document is one of four documents we have had to study, sign and follow due to recently entering Taiwan. The populace is not required to practice home quarantine.
  42. 2 points
    Alan

    Scientific Facts in the Bible.

    I will be adding the following information on Radio Telescopes to the lesson on Psalm 115:16, Genesis 1:2 & 14. Radio Telescopes and the Search for Alien Life in the Universe In an effort to find life, at least intelligent life, in outer space in the distant solar systems, galaxy’s and the planets contained therein, NASA, and non-governmental SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), organizations have spent vast amounts of money, time, effort, land, in an effort to find alien life forms in outer space by the construction of huge Radio Telescopes. Deep Space Network Radio Telescope 70- meter antenna Photo Courtesy of NASA It is the hope of NASA, and SETI organizations, to use these radio telescopes and find alien life in the distant solar systems of the galaxy. Thus far, in spite of the multi-million dollars spent, NASA and the SETI organizations, have come up totally empty of finding any form of alien life. In other words, the realms beyond our solar system are, ‘without form and void’ or, devoid of life. Thus far the NASA Deep Space Network Radio Telescope and the SETI system of radio telescopes, have proven the biblical accuracy of Genesis 1:2 & 14, that the other bodies of heaven were not given any creative acts to support life and Psalm 115:16, “The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD’S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
  43. 2 points
    We had our first parking lot service this past Sunday. Not everyone attended, but it was good to see those who did. We weren't able to live stream, as there is no Internet at the church. My husband is really wanting to have in-person services, but isn't completely sure yet when we will. He is in constant prayer for wisdom and guidance about it.
  44. 2 points
  45. 2 points
    If your church has, in it's statement of faith, something the entire church should have voted for, that the KJV is the only Bible to be used from the pulpit, then you need to kindly and humbly hold your pastor accountable. Pastors lead, but not like secular leaders-he is answerable to the church, and sometimes, we need to be reminded of this. It would be one thing to push a pastor to go against a statement of faith, or the rules set for the assembly, but quite another thing to hold him to obey them, as everyone else is supposed to. And if he continues to insist on leading down a wrong path, then the entire church needs to get involved and remind him that he serves the church, and is accountable to them, so long as they are accountable to God, and if he will not comply with the set rule, then maybe it is time for a new pastor. If he is quietly leading down a wrong path, then that path will only be the first. Sliding down the slope can be slow, but once it starts, it will continue if not dealt with swiftly. Again, kindness, love and humility are very important, but so is truth and right.
  46. 2 points
    Alan

    Counsel Needed About KJV Compromise

    I felt saddened to hear that your pastor is leading your church away not only from the firm stand on the KJV, and using the NKJV, but he is also turning away from the written covenant of the church in a deceitful manner. Apart from seeking guidance through prayer, I would have your husband first approach the pastor, and politely as he can, and express your concerns. If you feel that the pastor needs to educated concerning the reason why, or the differences between the KJV and the NKJV, I would sit down and select several passages that deal with a doctrinal issue, put them on paper, and have your husband try and discuss these specific passages. Also, I would bring a copy of the church covenant and mention that this is the official church position on the KJV issue. After a time of pause in the issue, if it is not rectified, or hearts are hardened, I would bring the issue before the deacons of the church and seek their counsel.
  47. 2 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Spring is here, flowers are blooming, and fruit is starting to grow on the trees. Genesis 8:22 -" While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." Avocado flowers, fruit is starting to appear. The flowers from this tree are hard to get decent pictures of because the colors are so vibrant, my phone wouldn't focus properly for a really long time!
  48. 1 point
    No Nicolaitans

    Separation over doctrine.

    There are more than two identifiers...
  49. 1 point
    Ukulelemike

    Separation over doctrine.

    You mean in the opinion of Calvinists? Probably depends on the Calvinists-many of them have severe disagreement as to what a true Calvinist even is, or over use of the term, often preferring "reformed", so it doesn't appear to follow a man's teachings, (even thought it does). I suspect many would say that someone who believes they have a choice in the matter, are not saved. I would say, if you are depending on being regenerated before you seek salvation, it might give a question of your salvation, since you are depending on something completely unbiblical to be your foundation for salvation.
  50. 1 point
    I would recommend watching Pastor Thomas (Tom) Cucuzza online. They live-stream their services and he is excellent and preaches straight out of the KJV. https://www.northlandchurch.com/
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