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  1. 4 points
  2. 4 points
    DaveW

    Better here than.......

    You know there are times when you really shouldn't answer right away? Well..... A lady who has been at our church for about two years (not a member) and comes from an eclectic church background (lots of baggage) has just called my wife to accuse her of not being available outside church, and to complain that another lady is always reporting back to the pastor (me), and a few other things. My wife just rang me upset as anything. She could not get a word in edgeways while this lady just unloaded. Now my wife feels terrible "because she has not been doing enough". My wife is wonderful but she wears things like this heavily, and so this will affect her for a while now. I want to ring this lady and give her an piece of my mind, but I fear I don't have enough mind to spare for things like this. It seems to me that loads of people don't realise that a pastor's wife is not a pastor but the help meet for the pastor, and as such is not is a position to bear this kind of thing. There you go. I THINK I have vented enough now. Thanks for listening........
  3. 4 points
    Jim_Alaska

    A need for Bible College?

    The Bible Institute taught by local pastors is a good one if there are other local pastors in the area. I had a part in that type of training while I was in Alaska. It was very successful and needy at the time, since we were training two missionary families that were to go to Magadan, Far East Russia and they had very little time to prepare. This way they could still live at home, tend to things needing to be done before they left, like selling their homes and other needful things. This was almost thirty years ago, they were very grateful for this type of opportunity, established two churches there with local pastors and returned home to missionary work in Alaska, One of them is pastoring a sister church to our original one in Alaska, which was started by the same missionary that started our original church. As to BroMatt's OP, I think Bible colleges can be good if they are sound on doctrine and curriculum and only if sanctioned by a local NT Church.
  4. 3 points
    weary warrior

    They Dont Know

    I think there are things that most church members just dont really know or understand about pastoring and preaching. And we ourselves often cant clarify it for them. For instance, I am completely exhausted after preaching. Body, soul and spirit, I am completely pored out. I am not a screamer or a "windsucker" kind of preacher, but I am passionate, focused and "all in" when I preach. I usually feel like I just finished digging ditches for 8 hours, except digging ditches doesnt drain me spiritualy and emotionally. Add to that 1 1/2 hours of picking up kids before church from the surrounding farm communities, rushing in at the last minute to lead the singing, preaching, then fellowshiping and looking out for visitors during the meal after the service, and then the 1 1/2 hours taking kids home, I'm whipped. I know sometimes I probably seem a bit unsociable or remote after about 3:00pm on Sunday. But I can only hope people understand. Im never unkind or discourteous, just...wore out. I dont think thats something we can define for those who havent experienced it.
  5. 3 points
    Alan

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    TomB, The above study on the trumpets was taken from the following link: TomB, If you would carefully study the "Trumpets" in the Bible, in both the Old and New Testament, it is very clear that the7 trumpets in the book of Revelation, the trumpet in Matthew 24:31, and the "trump of God" as listed in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 are for different reasons and different times. The 7 trumpets in the book of Revelation are all for JUDGMENT and not for the calling of the assembly of Jews nor for the calling of the assembly of the church. Alan
  6. 3 points
    Have you believed on the Lord Jesus Christ to save your wicked soul from God's judgement in Hell and, been indwelled with the Holy Spirit? If so, you cannot be lost: ever. Please read the following verse carefully. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. #1. If you possess(hath) everlasting life....it's "everlasting" #2. "Shall not" means "condemnation" is never going to happen. There are other verses but this one should be sufficient for now.
  7. 3 points
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    This is a lava rock on the coast of east Taiwan.
  8. 3 points
    DaveW

    Better here than.......

    I should add a couple of things: 1. My wife does far more than many Pastor's wives that I know. Everyone is different and I know several Pastor's wives with severe health issues which restrict them. They would do more if they could. But I know of some Pastor's wives who put 100% into being the best wife and mother they can be, and they cannot be derided for that either. My wife seems to find the energy to do it all - I have to tell her to rest and then it is under sufferance, which is why the accusations were so hurtful to her. 2. Whilst there are no quals that I have ever found, I do think that a Pastor's wife, being his help meet for him, should do more than your average "Mature Christian Lady". 3. The lady involved is obviously having a hard time herself right now (hurting people hurt people - it is true) and I did not give her a piece of my mind partly because I knew about some of this (and partly because I can't go giving away pieces of my mind - I have precious little left right now!). I am not even sure she knows or understands what she did. It really was better here than...…… direct to her. I needed a place to vent that would not harm her, and I do appreciate those of you who were no doubt inclined towards blasting me holding off on that course.
  9. 3 points
    No Nicolaitans

    Better here than.......

    I looked up the biblical qualifications and requirements of a pastor's wife... Hmmmm...Wait... I thought it said something about being the piano player, secretary, phoster club director, nursery director, or something like that. It's got to be in there somewhere... Hahaha! Hope and pray your wife isn't too stressed over it all.
  10. 3 points
    PastorMatt

    A need for Bible College?

    100% agree.
  11. 3 points
    DaveW

    A need for Bible College?

    We have a bible institute that is taught by local pastors. That means that a man can stay serving at the church where he was saved, grew, and was called to service, but still get a rounded "education". Interestingly, of the four pastors currently involved we have one who was "big Bible college" (Heartland actually), one who was "small local college", one who was "evening Bible institute", and one was "direct mentored" by his pastor (with no "formal bible college education at all). We have an ongoing discussion about the differences, but all of us accept that options are useful and each of us has a valid preparation. __________________
  12. 2 points
    ....and that would be me. I would be one of the two fatalities.
  13. 2 points
    No Nicolaitans

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    I can see that you and I disagree. I agree with part of you definition. Endure means to suffer; to last, or remain. So...the Lord is referring to those who last (or remain) through the suffering of the Tribulation period. In other words...those who physically survive it. Who are "those" people? Well, according to the context of the verse of scripture in question (taking into account the surrounding verses)...it's talking about the remnant of the nation of Israel. After all, just a few verses later, the Lord said to pray ye that your flight be not in the winter; neither on the sabbath day. Why would a Gentile believer be concerned over whether they had to flee on the sabbath? Now... What does "saved" mean? In God's word, do the words "save" or "saved" always refer to spiritual salvation? Let's look... There are many more, but that's a good verse to end this on...that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us: The verse in question is referring to the remnant of the Jews who will survive until the end of Tribulation period (those who endure), and as the book of Zechariah points out, they will be saved from sure and certain destruction when the Lord returns at the end of the Tribulation period. Today, when we think of the words "save" or "saved", our mind immediately goes to the thought of spiritual salvation; however, that's not what it's always referring to. It can also mean "physical" salvation from harm. It can also mean "except"...such as... When comparing scripture with scripture, the verse in question is talking about those (of the nation of Israel) who have lasted (endured) throughout the sufferings of the Tribulation period. Don't forget, many of them will flee to the mountains and be cared for...they won't "have to stay strong through the hour of temptation". Those Jews (who last...or endure...until the end will be physically saved from sure destruction when the Lord Jesus Christ returns in all of his glory and destroys those who would destroy them.
  14. 2 points
    Invicta

    Whats for Supper...

    Church fellowship lunch today. Ella celebrated her 100th. birthday. Good number attended. Ella was originally brought to our church coffee morning by Giselle a Belgian member of our church some years ago and has been attending whenever she can since then.
  15. 2 points
    John Young

    Post-Trib Rapture?

    The nation of Israel was established by the National Covenant at Mt. Sinai. It is not synonymous with the Old and New Testament Covenants which started with the first and second Adams and has different requirements to be part of then the testaments. The early church made this distinction clear in Acts 15 and Acts 21 that entering the National Covenant of Israel was not a requirement for the gentiles nor was it the same covenant that you receive when you are saved by God. It was however still a covenant in effect for Jews who wished to identify with the nation of Israel. To say otherwise is to contradict the Apostles and fundamentally misunderstand what Paul is teaching in regard to Being "Jewish". Salvation, as Peter stated in Acts 15:11 is the same for all people: But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. James also makes clear in Acts 15:17-18 that of all people, including gentiles of old. that are called by his name who are saved and will be saved: 17 that the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Paul is in agreement with this as well when he states that all people of every age is saved the same way, by calling on the name of the lord: Romans 10:11-13 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. While they all believe and taught that Salvation was the same for all people they rejected the idea that the National Israelite Covenant was for all people, that it was required for salvation, or that it was for all saved believers. They taught that the Household of Faith and the Israelite Nation were different and were entered differently. They did not teach that the National covenant suddenly became a spiritual national covenant for all believers. Rather they taught the spiritual household of faith for all believers in the Old Testament was "David's Tabernacle" and in the New Testament was rebuilt by Christ into what is now the Spiritual Body of Christ. What Paul teaches is that a Jew (someone in the national covenant of Israel) is nothing without Salvation. He is not teaching that saved gentiles are now the true Jew. Rather , he is teaching a Saved Jew is a true Jew.
  16. 2 points
    Musician4God1611

    Music help?

    Weary Warrior, Is your music situation improving, or are you still facing the same problems? If you are interested I think I can help. Sit down with your pianist, and go through the your singing range, have her hit a note and you sing it. Tell her I need to know your highest note and lowest note in relation to middle C. When you get that, send me a list of twenty songs, and I will transpose them into a key that you can sing in.
  17. 2 points
    282Mikado

    "A Place on Calvary"

    I've always liked bluegrass music and have been to a number of big name festivals, so when I got saved it was just natural that I would turn to Bluegrass Gospel. Unfortunately, "gospel" music in just about every genre often preaches "another gospel". The first time I ever heard this song it was recorded by the Statler Brothers back in the '90s. It was written by Don Reid's son, Langdon. We (Christians) are an often untapped market in the music world. We have money that these groups want to exploit so these secular "artists" compose lyrics about that which they have little to no knowledge. Even the Statler Brothers. Sad.
  18. 2 points
    robycop3

    Fornication and divorce question

    I don't think it's MANDATORY that one divorce a spouse for fornication, but it's certainly not sinful to do so. I believe it's great if a couple can work out the prob & stay together, with no further transgressions, but, of course, it's not always possible, Christian or not. I know people who have gone down both paths. And I believe the non-fornicating spouse is free to marry someone else.
  19. 2 points
    DaveW

    Satan does not exist!

    As long as your thoughts come from the Bible and are in line with what the Bible says, there should be no problem. If the way you worship the Lord is in line with the Bible, there will be no problem. But if your thoughts or the way you worship the Lord is NOT in line with the Bible, wouldn't you want to have that pointed out?
  20. 2 points
    Alan

    A Valentine Praise

    We are very happy and thankful for the blessings in your life. We are also happy for the spirit that you have during the times of adversity. All of which is a fine testimony.
  21. 2 points
    HappyChristian

    A Valentine Praise

    Happy Valentine's Day to all. What a difference a year makes! Today the sun is shining brightly. Last year we were having a "snowmageddon," as it has been dubbed. This time last year (Val. Day was on Thursday), my husband had gotten home early from his client's house because he had a slip-and-fall on black ice. Thus began a journey of healing that isn't done yet. Randy is better - much, much better - although he still has a ways to go to complete healing. The rip in his thigh muscle healed well, and the hematoma should be mostly, if not completely, drained (his doc said it was the biggest hematoma that he had ever seen and that it would take, at minimum, a year to heal). The foot still gives Randy problems - pain and swelling. But even that is better than it was, thankfully! We know there are certain foods that cause inflammation in his foot, so he either completely avoids those foods or eats them sparingly (dairy is a big inflamer...and something he likes very much! So that is sparingly consumed.) His CK levels were through the roof when he had his accident (that can damage the kidneys), but they came down nicely. They are just a tad elevated right now (blood tests this week showed that), but not in any way a danger. His triglycerides were over 1,000 - supposed to be around 150. Keto eating brought them down to just under 700 6 months ago. This week, they are down to just under 400. Amen and praise the Lord! The cardiologist is happy with his dietary changes and with the improvement in his count. He is still in the pre-diabetic range with his A1C, but we're pretty sure that is because he isn't able to exercise like he should (also likely the reason for the CK slight rise). Walking is good, but he still can't do that for long. We haven't been able to get an exercise bike yet, but it is on the list. I think that will help in a number of ways. Randy has always planned something special for Valentine's Day. Last year we spent the bulk of it at the emergency room, followed by an 18 day stay in the hospital. Pretty special, eh? LOL We are so thankful for the way God has worked. So, once again, Happy Valentine's Day to all. Remember two things: #1. God is good, all the time, and #2. This, too, shall pass.
  22. 2 points
    Jordan Kurecki

    Satan does not exist!

    The Bible does not teach that “angels are not made to go bad, they have no choice, they are robot-like, no will, no A.I. nothing, but following the God's demands and orders.” on the contrary: Jude 1:6 KJV [6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. God says there are certain angels that rebelled and are in chains being held until the day of judgment.. 2 Peter 2:4 KJV [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; Matthew 25:41 KJV [41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: Revelation 20:10 KJV [10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
  23. 2 points
    1Timothy115

    Satan does not exist!

    I advise caution until you have time to look more closely at the New Testament, here are a few verses you may want to ponder while you research your questions. God, that is Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son, was manifest in the flesh (John 1:14) for the main reason of sacrifice for sin (1 John 2:2). God does not tempt us (James 1:13). There were other reasons God appeared in the flesh, you are correct God and Satan are against each other and do not cooperate. One reason Jesus went into the wilderness was to provide us knowledge that our Savior and sin bearer understood our frailties and could have compassion and forgiveness of sin (Hebrews 4:15). You are on the right path here (1 John 1:5). Satan is not alone in his attack, he has the glitter of the world and our fallen nature to work with (James 1:12-15) gives insight. But, the greatest insight can be provided by a careful study of Satan's temptations used on Jesus Christ in the wilderness (Matthew 4:1-11). It was both an attack against Jesus physical body and against His mind, Satan is well aware of attack on multiple fronts. Satan uses very similar if not identical temptations on us today. We may be weary from the day's work and hungry, it's easy to become irritable, now a family member or friend wants our time, we need the car to help the family or friend, the car battery is dead, what are we to do? Jesus taught us what to do, with our breath, to utilize God's word--(Matthew 4:4). Hebrews 13:5 "Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." I only hope someday I will overcome all my temptations and respond the way Jesus did. May God richly bless your effort to become like Him.
  24. 2 points
    Ukulelemike

    Christians and Politics

    Simple: In a President, we don't support the man, so much as the office. We also trust that, if God ordains the powers that be, then He ordained that gay man to be president, and we trust He has a reason for it. The rules here don't change-remember, those rules were set in scripture when the Caesars were ruling, and they were horrible, wicked men who considered themselves gods; so then the Lord had Paul write to respect those wicked men-how much different is that from today? God ordains the powers. It is kind of like supporting Israel: We don't support all they do and believe, because they are still basically a secular nation, and are still antagonistic to Christ; rather, we support them because the Word tells us to, and in doing so, we are obeying God. As well, there is not a list of qualifications for a temporal leader, the way there is for a pastor, in scripture; that is why we can rightly take a stand against a man who is an open, wicked sinner of that sort. We still take a stand against a homosexual becoming President by voting against him-it is our vote that we will need be concerned to give an account for, not for who wins, in such a case. And if he DOES win, then we don't support his wicked lifestyle, any more than we did Clinton's, but we respect the office and the laws of the land, insofar as it doesn't disagree with scripture.
  25. 2 points
    Alan

    Scientific Facts in the Bible.

    On May 26, 2017 I posted: Although a lot of time has passed, I am trying to get re-organized to finish putting the subjects discussed in, 'Scientific Facts in the Bible,' in PDF format. Alan
  26. 2 points
    Alan

    Better here than.......

    Sometimes, like the three friends of Job, even his wife, other people miss-judge us in our service to the Lord and cause anguish of heart. Like Job, let us not, as they sometimes come across, 'curse God and die.' Take heart and, like David at Ziklag, encourage yourself, and your wife, in the Lord!
  27. 2 points
    Calvinism is primarily a philosophy, not a doctrine: they take certain biblical truths, (ie, Man by nature is dead in sin,) then leap to philosophy to explain what that means, (if dead, he has no ability of himself to call upon God, because the dead can't do anything), while ignoring the fact that the Bible explains that Jesus lights every man that comes into the world, (gives all men light to have faith), and thus, faith begins with God, for ALL men, and therefore, yes, we can respond, though dead in sins, because God has given us the ability to do so. God IS sovereign, but it in no way lessens His sovereignty that He allows man to choose to follow or not. Calvinistic sovereignty equates to mechanical direction, some will follow, some will not, because they have no other choice BUT to follow or not. So God commands people to follow, but disallows MOST the ability to do so, then punishes those same for NOT doing what He doesn't let them do. There is nothing in scripture to begin to imply anything like that.
  28. 2 points
    Ukulelemike

    Christians and Politics

    Believers need to get back to the biblical truth that God ordains the powers that be, and that, unless they take stands specifically against God and His commands, we are to obey them as obeying the ordinances of God. That goes for Trump, as it did for Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc, all the way back to Washington. God will have His way in this, and every other country, and He will use the powers that be that He puts into place to do it. As such, we ought to honor them as they whom God has placed into positions, pray for them to do well, to be blessed, to be saved, to have God's wisdom. Trump is far from perfect, but he is far more interested in doing well by the country, by its laws, and at least gives good lip service to God and Christian rights. I don't know if he is saved: he is surrounded by false prophets and money-grubbing wolves who will never dare tell him his need for salvation, but we need to pray the Lord will bring someone who will tell him, and pray he is saved.
  29. 2 points
    Onion can be fresh on a burger, just so long as it is only a little, but the only real way to eat onion is fried on the BBQ. Or deep fried in batter - onion rings...… mmmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmmmmmmmm
  30. 2 points
    PastorMatt

    A need for Bible College?

    No worries. We have no problem with you posting a link to a college you endorse, but we also would like to hear what your thoughts are as well.
  31. 2 points
    Female pastor, charismatic activity going on, misapplication of the scriptures big red flag to me!
  32. 2 points
    HappyChristian

    A need for Bible College?

    I'm in favor of Bible college generally. And, while it is not a biblical qualification, I think it is a help many times for a man who is going to be a pastor (and I would qualify that with making sure said Bible college is biblical, because they are not all, sadly). I would be hesitant to use Bible college as a discipling tool...I know the article did not promote that. But a baby Christian going to Bible college seems to be a set-up for problems. A new Christian ought to be discipled in their own church before going to any Bible college. JMO.
  33. 2 points
    John Young

    These Foods Do NOT Belong Together

    Is that stuff were they take all the rotten veg covered in mites and grind it all up? we call that compost here.
  34. 2 points
    Ketchup: on meat? depends on the quality and the kind. Burgers, yes, with mustard, maybe bleu cheese. Steak? Maybe, if tough. Eggs? Never. Tacos? Never. Pineapple on pizza? Sure, why not? I like it okay, but prefer pepperoni, spicy, preferably. Mayo? Only on a BLT or Club sandwich, or in a tuna sandwich, with some mustard. Nowhere else. Turkey and cranberry? Never thought I'd like it til I tried it, and I liked it. Oh, mayo on that, too. Onions? Peel, cut, chop, throw in garbage. It is a little known fact that onions are grown directly in Satan's armpits. Cheese and apple? Love it! Cheese and peanut butter? Love it, (crunchy only, please) Peanut butter and apple? Love it. Of course, I love good cheese all the time, of all kinds. Tried it once in Australia-reminded me of salty bicycle grease. Never tried salty bicycle grease, but my guess is it would taste like vegemite.
  35. 2 points
    I understand famous people get a lot of attention when they die, but over 7,000 people pass away each day in the US. We need to get busy doing the Lord's work.
  36. 2 points
    DaveW

    Happy Australia Day

    Happy Australia Day everyone! 26th January 1788 is the day the First Fleet arrived at Sydney Cove. 11 ships 1400 people, and an evangelical preacher called Richard Johnson, who brought with him 4200 bibles. He preached from Psalm 116: 12, 13 12 What shall I render unto the LORD for all his benefits toward me? 13 I will take the cup of salvation, and call upon the name of the LORD. The first Christian message preached on Australian shores was from this passage, by a man who refused to preach good works (when ordered by the governor), instead preaching of salvation by grace through faith.
  37. 1 point
    By the way, Brother Graham (Lydia's Dad), is a nice guy and a very accomplished musician, aside from anything else. (I don't know him well - doubt he would recognise me at all, but I have met him a few times, and been privileged to hear him play. We live about 4000km away)
  38. 1 point
    Here's another IFB perspective: https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/what_about_ruckman.php https://www.wayoflife.org/database/ruckman.html
  39. 1 point
    Invicta

    Whats for Supper...

    Slow cooked beef with baked potatoes, green beans, carrots and brocolli.
  40. 1 point
    1Timothy115

    Christians and Politics

    Maybe its not that other Christians avoid political involvement, I can't speak for them. Myself, I am in favor of political personalities who have a proven record of supporting my Biblically based values.
  41. 1 point
    1Timothy115

    Baptists and Catholics

    A look at Matthew 16 vs dogma The best commentary on scripture is scripture. Matthew 16:13-23 13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ. 21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Discussion: Who is the subject of the discussion in Matthew 16:13-23? It is Jesus1. Who is the subject of the New Testament? It is Jesus2. Do other Gospels provide context for Matthew 16? Yes, Mark 8:27-33 (no mention of rock). Luke 9:18-22 (no mention of rock). 3 Matthew 18:18. 4 John 20:23. As a result of this scripture does Peter ever refer to himself as the rock or even a bishop (pastor) of any church? No, in fact he acknowledges his sinfulness, Luke 5:8 “When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” To whom is Jesus speaking in Matthew 16:13-23? All the disciples present but primarily the 12 apostles. In Peter’s only reference5 to “rock” in 1 Peter 2:8 he refers to The Lord Jesus Christ. “And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.” Even here, he refers to the O.T. where Isaiah 8:14 prophesied the future coming of Christ. It could be easy to make an errant casual determination of what Matthew 16:13-23 says. When some truth is mixed with an error it can appear to be plausible. Once an error occurs and additional dogma is adopted with it; it becomes difficult to correct. Once accepted and purported as truth, personal pride and reputation can play a strong role in perpetuating an error. Further, error becomes a tradition among those who accept and adhere to it. When power and wealth are added to pride and tradition, the error becomes nearly impossible to correct. When generations are trained to accept an error it may be so strongly entrenched, logical and obvious refutation is ignored. There may be good intention for the truth which accompanies the error; but the pathway to hell is paved with good intentions. Notes: 1 The obvious subject of Matthew 16:13 is Jesus Christ our Lord. “…Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” Also, in verse 15, “But whom say ye that I am?” 2 The word rock (singular) is found in the Bible 106 times. 54 times they are direct or indirect references to God and particularly Christ, i.e. Deuteronomy 32:15 “…the Rock of his salvation” and 1 Corinthians 10:4 “…that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” 3 Matthew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 4 John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. 5 1 Peter 2:4 “To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,” Here Peter refers to Christ as a “living stone” and in the verses which follow as the “chief corner stone”, “the stone which the builders disallowed”, and “a stone of stumbling.” Addendum: Many things have been attributed to Peter by the Church at Rome. However, what they cannot dispute is scripture, our Holy Bible; and so, they go about in an attempt to diminish it’s authority over men and establish their own dogma as authority above God’s word. The reason Rome had to have Peter, is because they thought Jesus Christ had appointed him a position above the other Apostles. So, instead of making Paul the "first pope" they chose Peter; even though Peter could not be placed at Rome for anything more than possibly execution.
  42. 1 point
    Salyan

    Baptists and Catholics

    To be honest, your writing sounds rather like you have been convinced of their doctrine. I'd encourage to you to look at their claims more critically and compare it to Scripture. Regarding the so-called passage about Peter (we're all saints in Christ, so it's silly to call him Saint Peter anymore than I'd call you Saint Angel), let's take a look at the passage in context. "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:13-18 The context shows that Jesus had asked His disciples a question, and Peter had answered it with a statement of faith - "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God." This is the 'it' that Jesus later told him had been revealed to Peter by the Father. He follows that up with a play on words. You see, 'Peter' in Greek is 'Petros'. The word Christ used for 'rock' is 'petra'. 'Petros' refers to a pebble; a small stone, while 'petra' refers to a large rock; bedrock. Peter himself was only a pebble, but the statement of faith he spoke was to be the bedrock of Christ's church - the fact that Jesus is the Christ (Messiah), and Son of God. You see? Jesus wasn't establishing Peter as the rock of the church (unstable Peter? that would be a poor foundation indeed). Rather, it was the illustrated faith and confidence in Jesus the Son of God that would be the bedrock of all believers. Furthermore, the Gentile Church (which is what the first church established in Rome would be primarily comprised of) was largely evangelized and led by Paul. Peter stayed in Jerusalem and was a chief elder to the Jewish believers. As far as Mary, she is called a co-mediatrix by the Catholic organization. This means they believe that she is a co-mediator between God and man. This is blasphemy. 1 Timothy 2:5 says: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Also, Hebrews 1:2-3 says: "...his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:" The co-mediatrix doctrine is also where they get the idea of Mary praying for us. But as we see from 1 Timothy, the only mediator between God and man is Jesus - not Mary, not the saints. Only Jesus. As far as that passage in John, let's take a look at the wording: "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home." John 19:26-27 First, a grammar lesson. The translators of the KJV were attempting to translate languages that used both singular and plural second-person pronouns (unlike modern English, which uses the generic you/your/yours for both singular and plural uses). In order to translate the sense of the words accurately, they chose to use thy/thine to translate singular pronouns, and you/your for plural pronouns. For this reference to be applicable to all of us, Jesus would have had to say 'behold your mother' (as you incorrectly quoted). Rather, he said 'behold thy mother'. The use of the word 'thy' indicates that he was speaking to a singular person - the disciple He loved (i.e. John). The Catholic understanding that she was given to all of us is thus grammatically inaccurate. The Catholic organization also teaches that Mary was herself immaculately conceived (i.e. of a virgin) and without sin. This extrabiblical teaching would make her the promised Messiah, not Jesus - you see the doctrinal problem with this? They call her 'mother of God' - but God by definition has no parent - only the human body of Christ had a mother. They also call her Queen of Heaven. The Bible references a Queen of Heaven. She was a false goddess sinfully worshipped by the Israelites in the time of Jeremiah (Jeremiah chapters 7, 44). The Catholic representation of Mary thus traces back to an ancient false religion that provoked God's wrath against the Israelites.
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    I assume that in this thread discussion we are speaking only about the doctrine of salvation (soteriology). As such . . . Of the five points commonly argued, I would hold to ZERO points with Calvinism, THREE points with Arminianism, and TWO points with neither one.
  44. 1 point
    Zero points here.
  45. 1 point
    DaveW

    John Calvin Had It All Wrong

    You asked, I gave an answer, feel free to ignore it. But remember that Calvin would have killed Spurgeon as a heretic for his teaching of free will.
  46. 1 point
    heartstrings

    John Calvin Had It All Wrong

    "Predestination has to do with God's perfect plan and design. Concerning believers , the King James always always speaks of a collective when referring to "predestination" by using plural pronouns like "we, they, them, us, ye or you". it never refers to individuals. The "Bride of Christ" will one day be presented to Him spotless. because "She" meaning "we" will be conformed to the image of Christ, perfectly sinless, in glorified bodies. Not a single person will get the credit for this because God "predestinated" all of it before the world existed. Each individual has to believe on Jesus Christ, of his own freewill, to become a member of the "bride". This too is included in God's will and perfect design. He doesn't want rOBots to worship Him: he wants free will.
  47. 1 point
    DaveW

    John Calvin Had It All Wrong

    Instead of spamming his thread with a huge discourse on a minor point of history, why not attempt to address the substance of his posts?
  48. 1 point
    Calvary

    John Calvin Had It All Wrong

    A. Eph_1:5 - Redemption Of The Body At The Rapture Let us begin with Eph_1:5… "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." Notice who is predestinated. It can only be one of two groups: the saved or the lost. Paul identifies the children of God as the OBject of being predestinated, "Having predestinated us (plural pronoun)." This is Paul and every saved person. God did not predestinate anyone to be saved, but this teaches He predestinated something for those who are already saved. What did God predestinate for the Christian? The Scriptures are pure and simple. The Christian is predestinated unto the adoption of children (Greek, HUIOTHESIA, meaning son ship). When we trust Christ as our Savior, we become His children: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons (Greek, TEKNON, meaning-a child.) of God, even to them that believeth on his name." - Joh_1:12 We are positioned in Heaven as a son now, but we do not come to the realization of our son ship until the Rapture. The Jewish Bar Mitzvah may aid in understanding adoption and son ship. Bar Mitzvah means "a son of the commandments, or the placing of a son." When a Jewish boy reaches the age of 13, he is then considered as a adult. He is expected to accept adult religious responsibilities. It is a joyful occasion accompanied by gifts from friends and family. He is no longer considered a child, but an adult son. The word "adoption" is derived from the Greek word "huiothesia," from "huios", meaning "a son" and "thesis" "a placing." Therefore, "the placing of a son." Just as a Jewish boy is placed as an adult son on the day he reaches 13, we Christians also experience our son ship when we are placed in Heaven at the day of the Rapture. This is when we have our physical bodies redeemed for a new glorified body. It could be no clearer than stated in Rom_8:23 : "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY." In summary: WHO: Negative: Nowhere are the lost said to be predestinated to be saved. Positive: The saved are predestinated to receive something. WHAT: The Adoption. Rom_8:23, "the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body." WHEN: At the Rapture. 1Th_4:17, 1Co_15:50-54. - Max Younce God bless, calvary That´s as clear as one could want. John Calvin´s theology is a blatantly false.
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    I lost the post, but to the gentleman who espoused that Christians can reach a point of sinless perfection (what Nazarenes call the "second blessing"" but does not believe in eternal security may ask this. First, let me restate your position and then I'll follow up with the question: You believe that a person can reach a position of sinless perfection subsequent to salvation; nevertheless at any point after this state of sinless perfection they can backslide and lose their salvation. Now the question is, if you can attain a state of sinless perfection: HOW COULD YOU EVER BACKSLIDE?
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