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  1. 5 points
    DaveW

    Saved before the Cross?????

    I always find it interesting when people try to suggest that salvation was not possible before the cross, or when they at least say that salvation was different before the cross. I find it interesting because Paul doesn't agree with either of those propositions. How can I state it so categorically? Oh I don't know...…. 2Ti 3:15 (15) And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Which Scriptures do you suppose that Timothy knew from his childhood? Act 17:10-11 (10) And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. (11) These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Which Scriptures do suppose the Bereans searched as they checked whether the things that Paul preached were so? Well, When Timothy was a child I doubt that they had much in the way of the New Testament written, and the Bereans were checking before at least the vast majority of the NT was written. Little Timmy knew the Holy Scriptures which are able to make him wise UNTO SALVATION. BEFORE most if not all of the NT was written. That means that Paul said to Timothy that the OT Scriptures could tell someone how to be saved the NT way - through faith in Jesus Christ...……….. And what about those Bereans - they searched the Scriptures to check on what Paul was preaching. They searched the OT Scriptures to check on what Paul was preaching. What was Paul preaching? Act 17:2-3 (2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, (3) Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. Notice that it was his manner to preach this, and what he preached was that Jesus Christ had to suffer and die, and rise again from the dead. The Bereans believed Paul's preaching because hen they checked out the OT to see if Paul was preaching truth, they found it was true - FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT - and they got saved. This means that the OT told people how to be saved through Jesus Christ. Timothy read the Old Testament, believed it, and got saved - apparently when he was a little child. The Bereans read the Old Testament, believed it, and got saved. And in Timothy it says that those Scriptures are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith in Jesus Christ……. pretty plain to me - the OT tells someone how to be saved through Jesus Christ. And the Bereans were able to confirm in the OT, that salvation is through Jesus Christ, because that is what Paul was preaching. I dunno…… I am just a dumb bloke...…. but it seems pretty obvious to me. The OT tells about Jesus Christ, and what He had to do to save men from their sins - people just had to believe it, just as now they just have to believe it.
  2. 5 points
    DaveW

    Looking to convert.

    Not many IFB churches officially identify as such - most just call themselves independent Baptist. It is the clear reliance on the Bible, and the intent to follow the Bible in all things that separates a poor church from a fundamental Baptist church.
  3. 5 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    Ok this has gone on long enough. We have rules for posting on these forums, rules that the new people in this thread have obviously not read. Here is the one pertinent to this thread: We will not allow the following c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. I am locking this thread for the above stated reason. Any further attempt by anyone to start a new thread on the same subject will be cause to ban that person.
  4. 4 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Yesterday I had taken a walk around some tide pools and by chance happened to startle a puffer fish, which I only noticed because it had puffed up due to my startling it. I managed to get a photo of it before I moved and it apparently thought it was no longer 'trapped' and so deflated and swam away. I wasn't able to get a photo of it deflated. It amazes me that it has such an unusual defense mechanism. I have seen them un-inflated in aquariums before but this was the first time I've seen one puffed up and in its natural habitat. I believe this one is a White-spotted puffer.
  5. 4 points
    I'm a missionary sent out of my local church. My home church receives and handles all my support and transfer funds to me as needed (bi-monthly set amount or as I request additional funds). My church set up a bank account with my name on it, but the finance team has access to it so they can transfer the funds as needed. Other than that they don't touch the money in that account. The church handles my income tax forms and helped with the legal paperwork that I needed to get my missionary visa, and as it was a learning experience for both the church and myself, there were some hiccups along the way as we learned what each of our legal responsibilities were. Whether a missionary chooses to go through a board, clearinghouse, or local church, they should put a lot of prayer into that decision and allow God to direct their steps.
  6. 4 points
    DaveW

    Church or Family of God

    This is an interesting subject....... For my part, it is more about going forward than looking backwards. As far as we can see in the Bible, churches are started by men sent out from other churches. What that means is that if someone wants to start a church they should do it with the proper authority from a sending church, just like in the Bible. But as far as history is concerned..... 1. If someone is relying on their past to prove their current standing they are on dangerous ground. Where does that church stand TODAY? 2. How would anyone prove lineage all the way back? With all the persecution and subsequent secrecy at times it is practically impossible and therefore practically useless. But just because a line of authority is impossible to prove in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't follow the biblical example of starting churches with authority. How your church does things today is far more important than history and heritage. Those things can be undone in a matter of weeks even, with the influence of one strong willed man. But a comparison to the Bible TODAY shows where a church is today.
  7. 4 points
    PastorMatt

    customer service

    @Kivancsi And/or @Kivancsi2 Let me address a few things here. 1) You have 2 accounts. Once is from May 2018 and the other is from today. Today you typed in the wrong email address when registering and send me around 10 emails telling me I put in the wrong email address and how hard it is to sign in. I will admit, when you register with the wrong email, it does make the registration process difficult. I will gladly fix this for you. 2) I can't speak for others, but you are right, I am a sorrowful person. That is one reason why I needed a savior. Praise God that He loved sorrowful me to send down His Son to die for me. 3) This site is 100% free. Since 2002, we never asked for any money here. However, if you would like to send me a donation I would gladly receive it and place the donation towards world wide missions. Thank you for your feedback. Edit to add: Your correct email address is already in use under @Kivancsi. To fix this problem, just sign in with that account, no need to re-register.
  8. 4 points
    By the way, Job also had an eternal security in his own future resurrection to stand with God through the power of his Living Redeemer. (See Job 19:25-27)
  9. 4 points
    Alan

    Sabbath Worship?

    I beg to differ. First, you are trying to make your own facts, using your own reasoning, to make a forced interpretation. You are judging us by your own two "facts." Whether or not there is a scripture verse, as you say, "rescinding" worshipping on the Sabbath day is immaterial to the saints in the New Testament church. Also, It seems to me that you are making it an issue, and judging us, to require the New Testament saint to worship on the Jewish Sabbath: Saturday, the sixth day. And, to state that the "status quo" is still in place. To me, this is a forced interpretation, an error, not binding on any saint, and is against the words of Paul the Apostle in Colossians 2:16 Did not Paul plainly state, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days." Colossians 2:16 Like the Seventh Day Adventists, it seems to me that you are forcing your own interpretations on the Sabbath issue and judging those who do not worship on the Sabbath.
  10. 4 points
    DaveW

    Saved before the Cross?????

    What about "OK David talks as though he is pretty certain"? It has nothing to do with what is preached in any church - it has only to do with what the Bible says. David's words are words of certainty - He says "I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me." I will grant that the Bible doesn't actually say in this passage that he will go to him in Heaven, but the meaning is almost as certain as David's belief that they would be together again. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As a result of the question I have started a quick study - I am by no means finished, but am already learning and enjoying it greatly. I thought to myself "If David could speak with certainty in the passage above, then surely he would have spoken something of it in the Psalms. So I started reading through Psalms with an eye to salvation specifically. It is important to understand that often the "salvation" that David speaks of in Psalms is physical salvation from attacking enemies, so we have to be careful to ensure we are talking about actual salvation, and not just the battles of this life. But I couldn't wait to add a couple of these in even before I have come close to finishing this study. And please read the passages fully, not just the portions I have quoted - context, context, context folks - don't just believe me. Psa 17:15 (15) As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. Notice again the language of certainty - not maybe, but shall.... To me this sounds so much like: 1Jn 3:2 (2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And it sounds like David was looking forwards to this: 1Co 15:51-52 (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, (52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Praise God for this promise, that apparently David knew about also. Psa 20:1-9 (1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The LORD hear thee in the day of trouble; the name of the God of Jacob defend thee; (2) Send thee help from the sanctuary, and strengthen thee out of Zion; (3) Remember all thy offerings, and accept thy burnt sacrifice; Selah. (4) Grant thee according to thine own heart, and fulfil all thy counsel. (5) We will rejoice in thy salvation, and in the name of our God we will set up our banners: the LORD fulfil all thy petitions. (6) Now know I that the LORD saveth his anointed; he will hear him from his holy heaven with the saving strength of his right hand. (7) Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God. (8) They are brought down and fallen: but we are risen, and stand upright. (9) Save, LORD: let the king hear us when we call. I know it doesn’t talk about eternal security as such, but it is a wonderful explanation of salvation by David. I love the portion from vs 6 and 7 “Some trust in chariots, and some in horses” “but we will remember the name of the Lord” Sounds like salvation by grace through faith and not of works…… Psa 21:1-7 (1) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice! (2) Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah. (3) For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head. (4) He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever. (5) His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him. (6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance. (7) For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved. Wow. Just WOW!!!! The king shall rejoice in God’s salvation, and when HE ASKED LIFE OF GOD, GOD GAVE IT TO HIM, even length of days…… FOR EVER AND EVER!!!!!!!!!!! Can I just say “Kapow!!!!!” that looks like smoke coming from that gun right there….. And that is just a quick look through the first part of the book of Psalms, and that is without quoting the Psalms that I came across that imply eternal salvation without stating it plainly. I could have probably taken a passage from about half of the first 20 Psalms that I think are hinting at it. Thanks for the challenge - I will enjoy the continued study of this subject - probably won't hear much from me for a while now...….
  11. 4 points
    Alan

    Thank you.

    I just wanted to let the moderators know that we appreciate their work, both publicly and privately, in moderating OnLineBaptist. Thank you very much. May God bless you. Alan
  12. 4 points
    2bLikeJesus

    My father is dying.

    Edward Richard Santos Jr., 81. Passed Away peacefully from this life and on to eternal life today January the eleventh at 11:45 p.m. A great Man. A great Father to us. I am so honored to have had you for my father. Now is a time of tears for us, yet joy too, in knowing the unspeakable joy that is now his for all of eternity. I look forward to the time when we will all be United again. 1 Corinthians 15:55 (KJV) 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? Psalm 116:15 (KJV) 15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints. We who are alive and remain will celebrate a race well run by my father. Well named was the Holy Spirit as the Great Comforter. Thank you Jesus for giving me the strength to be at his side when he entered into glory! All praise, honor and glory forever! In His will. By His power. For His glory.
  13. 4 points
    John Young

    Jews Versus Gentiles

    First a Christian should not care about skin pigmentation, Secondly the false "Pigmentation" doctrine of Ham (some use Cain's mark) was developed by people influenced by evolutionary thinking, who desired show why the "negro race" was inferior and deserved to be subjugated. (This thinking believed in four to seven human races that did not have common ancestors and developed separately over time and their white race being the most human with the pure white Aryan Race least tainted by the others and therefor better more evolved.). Third it is predicating the myth that it is a curse to be negro, which it is not. Personally I don't think we need to entertain the curse of pigmentation or race "question" as if it had any actual merit in scripture other than to say that proponents of it certainly did not get it from the bible. As for the science to why people are darker than others, that is generally explained by a working of particular genes in the body over generations and what genes were available in the pool of people who would marry with one another. If you and your group have the genes that give you darker skin and there is no one around who has genes that regulate to a lighter tone, you simply will not get lighter. This can be easily seen by the children of black and white people who marry is their children will often be a middle tone with some lighter and darker. The Australians also had a program in the older days where they were breading the "black out" of the local aborigines, attempting to turn them in to white people, by paring up lighter Aborigines with the darker ones. The Body also has a particular way of adapting to its environment and while "black" is often associated with the "negro race" or Africans many Asians Indians, Polynesians, Chinese , american Indian ect, have just as dark skin but are not associated with the "negro" genetically nor in biblical decent.
  14. 3 points
    DaveW

    How does one fast?

    Could I suggest you to you, that rather than worrying about fasting and such like, you go right back to basics and read through some passages like: Rom 3:23 (23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Think about what that verse is actually saying, and ask if it applies to you as well. For the ones that the first verse there applies to, they need to look at verses like: Rom 6:23 (23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. I would like you to note that as the verse is talking about opposites, the "death" spoken of is the same as the "Life" spoken of in one respect - it is eternal. Where does that leave the one who the first verse applies to? Is there a solution to that problem? Joh 3:16-18 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. So if God sent His son to offer eternal life to sinners through their belief in Him, what does that look like? How does a sinner "believe" properly? What does it take? Rom 10:9-13 (9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Consider these passages, and maybe read through the book of John - but consider these passages, what they are saying and does any of that apply to you, and should you pay attention to what it is saying? Can I let you in on a little secret? These passages absolutely apply to me. This is far more important that any discussion you might have on fasting - but if you really want those answers - the simple explanation is to abstain from something so that you may concentrate on worshipping the Lord. It is often food, but doesn't have to be. But the other verses I mentioned are by far the most important thing to study (and there are more to consider as well, but that is a basic starting point).
  15. 3 points
    heartstrings

    He Hath Chosen Us

    "Correlating the two concepts" of "God choosing us before the foundation of the world" with "our responsibility to trust Him" is a non-issue. God's choosing us for salvation is not even what Ephesians 1:4 is about: the point of God's choice is "......that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.”. Ephesians 1:4 actually can be explained more with Matthew 5:43-48 and 1 John chapter 4. Because love is God's very nature and it is God Himself who predetermined that we be as He is; that is, we are to walk in love, to love not only our loved ones, but our neighbor and even our enemies. God knows who will be saved and who will not, but that doesn't stop Him from loving those enemies and from drawing them to Himself anyway because Matthew 5:43-48 says so. I find no problem "correlating two concepts" because no such two concepts exist.
  16. 3 points
    Rebecca

    Questions about deputation

    Yes, but not in the area of being sent out of my local church. As I went out on deputation and later furlough, the vast majority of pastors I talked with were very pleased with my decision to go through my local church and not a board. I primarily visited churches located in the midwest and Michigan, so I'm not sure what pastors elsewhere in the country would say about it. As far as my church being able to send me finances as we have it set up, it has not been an issue once we figured out how to transfer the funds. Although I don't know the legal differences -if any- between Alberta and Ontario concerning missionary visas, I know a missionary family in Toronto, Canada you might want to get in touch with, they may be able to speak to you about how to come to Canada as a missionary or any other questions you may have concerning boards (I believe they went out of BIMI). I hope it helps. Cory and April McTague email: (messaged)
  17. 3 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Sabbath Worship?

    The Purpose of the Old Testament Sabbath: 1. A day of rest through spiritual worship with and for the Lord. Exodus 20:9-10 -- "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates." 2. One day in every seven to be hallowed unto the Lord. Exodus 20:11 -- "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." 3. A sign between the Lord and the children of Israel concerning the Lord's sanctifying work upon them. Exodus 31:13 -- "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." 4. A sign and seal of the perpetual covenant between the Lord and the children of Israel. Exodus 31:16-17 -- Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." _________________________________________________ However, as a New Testament believer I am not a member of the Old Testament/Covenant. When our Lord Jesus Christ brought in the beginnings of the New Testament/Covenant, He did not intend simply to put a new patch upon the old. (See Matthew 9:16-17) Rather, He intended to establish a new body. (See Ephesians 2:11-22) This is the Biblical mystery concerning the New Testament church. (See Ephesians 3:1-12) Even so, the SHADOW of things to come are now past; and the New Testament body of Christ is now present. (See Colossians 2:16-17) For the children of Israel, the Sabbath day looks back to the creation, their deliverance from Egypt, and the sanctifying covenant of Sinai. For the New Testament believer, gathering on Sunday looks back to the resurrection of Christ, the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, and the establishment of the New Testament body of Christ.
  18. 3 points
    Salyan

    Questions about deputation

    it's not just cutting a cheque, though. Depending on the country of origin, the country they're heading to, and the missionary/church's own 'standing', for lack of a better word, there may be: a. income taxes/deductions to be calculated and sent to the government b. if the missionary is out of the county, the sending church/board may need to handle the personal tax forms on their behalf as well c. handling any issues that arise as a result of said deductions (dealing with the taxman is no joke!). d. maintaining any necessary legal paperwork - what about things like maintaining health coverage for when they're back in country (this even from a Canadian perspective with social medicine - I imagine there would be documentation needed to maintain US health insurance as well)? what legal paperwork might a foreign country want completed from the sending church/board? e. handling/investing retirement funds on their behalf, if applicable (IMO, it's a good thing for a missionary to save for retirement, just like anyone else) f. reporting monies received back to donating churches, creating income tax receipts if applicable, handling the charitable status side of things there (man, am I glad our church is not a charity. That's a whole 'nother mess). These things require time, knowledge and a certain attention to detail. From my experience, even cutting a cheque to pay them can get messed up badly merely from having a poorly-trained church secretary handling them. How many of our churches - especially up here in Canada - have the funds or available persons to pay/find an experienced financial secretary? I'm not making a statement for/against boards, just pointing out that there are a lot of legal, financial, and legislative details that can go into properly handling something like this. I personally think very few of our little western Canadian churches would be in a position to properly handle this.
  19. 3 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Sabbath Worship?

    1. John 20:19 -- "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you." 2. Acts 2:1 -- "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place." (Note: According to a Biblical understanding of schedule, the day of Pentecost was ALWAYS on the first day of the week, Sunday.) (2nd Note: This was the very day hand-picked by God the Father and God the Son Themselves to send forth the baptism and empowerment of the Holy Spirit upon the New Testament church, the body of Christ. In my own estimation, this FACT is the most significant New Testament reason for the assembling of a church body on Sunday.) 3. Acts 20:7 -- "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." 4. 1 Corinthians 16:2 -- "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come." I am not aware of any New Testament passage which indicates that the primary purpose for the assembling together of a New Testament church is for the purposes of "rest and worship." Rather, the New Testament seems to emphasize that the primary purpose for the assembling together of a New Testament church is for edification and worship. Now, the Hebrew word "sabbath" means "rest" (not "seventh"); and the Hebrew Sabbath days were indeed for "REST and worship." However, this is NOT the case for the New Testament church. Indeed, those things were "a SHADOW of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (See Colossians 2:16-17) The shadow is now past; the body is now present. I myself have no desire to return unto the SHADOW of the Old Testament. Rather, I myself desire to walk in the present reality of the New Testament BODY.
  20. 3 points
    Alan

    Questions about deputation

    Jim brought up a valid point that I am compelled to add thereunto. 1. Some boards require the missionary to set apart, usually every month, funds for retirement. These funds are usually either kept by the board or in an account set up by the board. Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board before his retirement the funds are forfeited. 2. Some boards require the missionaries to set up other funds: housing, furlough, emergency funds, etc. Depending on the rules of the board, the board, or its representative, has the final say so if the missionary receives these funds when the missionary requests these funds. 3. If the missionary purchases a house on the foreign field, some boards require the missionary to have the house in the name of board, or its legal representative on the field. For your information. Most boards have a "Field Representative," or some other setup, in order to have personal contact with the missionary. The "Field Representative" is in effect a controlling factor over the missionary. For Taiwan, most boards have a "legal" representative that holds title to the house and not the missionary. Depending on the board, if the missionary leaves the board than the house is not his. In other words, he loses the house. 4. Insurance. Most boards require the missionary to have Health insurance through the board or a Insurance Company recommended by the board. If the missionary leaves the board than there is a strong possibility that the Health Insurance is forfeited and the missionary may be required to pay for medical expenses out of his own pocket. 5. Most boards have the final say so in any situation not covered by the rules. Conclusion. Just about every board has its own rules. The missionary normally learns of these rules at Candidate School. If the board changes in doctrine, integrity, or in organization, than the missionary either changes with the board or he is asked to leave and forfeit his benefits accumulated during his tenure with the board. Alan
  21. 3 points
    Jordan Kurecki

    Questions about deputation

    I believe CMC is a worthy mention for this thread.
  22. 3 points
    Man alive I am glad I found this site. I believe this site will be an incredible resource to me in the next few months. This is good stuff right here.
  23. 3 points
    Alan

    Questions about deputation

    Under the "FAQ" the CMC states: 3. WHAT IS CMC'S PHILOSOPHY OF MISSIONS? Basic to the philosophy of CMC is the concern that a missionary be sent to the field without control by outside organizations of people, other than his home church, his supporting churches and the Holy Spirit. In practice, this means we do not dictate to the missionary how he spends his money, how much money he can receive, or how or where he works. Agreement between CMC policies and the missionary requires certain divisions of income, such as personal support, ministry support and ministry expenses, which are for the missionary's protection. Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord but also in the sight of men." (2 Cor. 8:21) The missionary's financial arrangements are confidential to us and any information must be given by the missionary, not by our office. 4. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS FOR MISSIONARIES? There are no qualifications such as age limit, health, education, etc. The procedure for using CMC’s services is as follows: A missionary is sponsored by the church where he is a member. He is recommended by his own pastor and commissioned by his home church. In addition, he must have the recommendation of two other fundamental Baptist pastors. These three pastors (that he has chosen) become his “Mission Board.” Each missionary candidate is screened and qualified based upon the recommendation of his sending and sponsoring churches. The integrity and character of every missionary is of vital importance to CMC. 5. WHAT ARE THE PRIMARY FUNCTIONS OF CMC? CMC exists to serve the churches and missionaries by processing funds for missionary endeavor. We receive gifts from the donors, issue tax-deductible receipts, accumulate the funds in each missionary’s account, prepare complete reports for the missionaries and in every way we know, provide information for the missionary that will be helpful in his relationship with the churches. Our ministry includes getting the funds to the missionary by the last business day of the month, using whatever method agreed upon with the missionary. On the missionary’s instructions, we maintain savings accounts, building funds, furlough funds, emergency funds, etc.; we make bill payments, insurance premium payments and keep up hospitalization and retirement programs, as well as making quarterly tax payments. We also provide legal documentation that is necessary on the field in which they serve, as well as verifying the financial information needed by the missionary and validating their income as required in their personal and professional endeavors. A personal Note. Please notice the highlighted red ink portion of their statement. There are some countries that require a "legal" missionary board. The CMC supplies that need. FYI. Our support as missionaries is through our home Church and the CMC. Alan
  24. 3 points
    Alan

    Questions about deputation

    The Central Missionary Clearinghouse is a ministry from a local church, the Central Baptist Church, Houston, TX, Pastor Larry Maddox, and operates as a "mission handling agency" and not a "board." https://www.cmcmissions.org/ The CMC has no "Candidate School," and no control over the missionary family.The CMC helps with the "funds handling only." The is no "board" at the CMC. Apart from the local church supporting a missionary directly from their local church as Jim Alaska wrote, the only other method I would even suggest is the Central Missionary Clearinghouse.
  25. 3 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Questions about deputation

    Why a mission board at all? It is the responsibility of your local church to send you as well as help support you. Do your own deputation, have your sending church collect the mission offerings and disperse to you. You really don't need middlemen in the mix.
  26. 3 points
    I was going to mention Job 19:27 but Pastor Markle beat me to it. Also take a look at Psalm 23 where David said "and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever". David, also, was "secure" in the knowledge of where he was going to spend eternity..
  27. 3 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Sabbath Worship?

    As Alan pointed out just above, this is incorrect. Colossians 2:16-17 states, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moons, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." This New Testament passage speaks concerning a series of subjects that existed under the Old Testament Law -- 1. Meat requirements. 2. Drink requirements. 3. Holyday requirements. 4. New moon (sacrifice) requirements. 5. Sabbath day requirements. This passage teaches us the following about these subjects that existed under the Old Testament Law -- 1. No New Testament believer is to be judged in relation to these matters. (Thus they are NOT a New Testament requirement.) 2. These Old Testament matters were only a SHADOW of things to come in the New Testament. (Thus they were to be replaced by the New Testament reality.) 3. The body of Christ (the church) has now come as the New Testament reality. (Thus the New Testament church, having come, has now replaced the Old Testament shadow.) ________________________________________________________ Concerning the first day of the week, Sunday -- 1. Our Lord Jesus Christ was resurrected on the first day of the week, Sunday, making it the day to represent the new life of the new covenant and of the New Testament church. 2. The first day of the week, Sunday, was the day directly chosen by the God the Father & God the Son upon which to send forth the gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit and thereby to empower the New Testament church. (For the Day of Pentecost is and always has been on a Sunday.) 3. Acts 20:7 specifically mentions the first day of the week, Sunday, as the day "when the disciples [New Testament believers] came together to break bread [most likely a reference to the celebration of the Lord's Supper]." 4. In 1 Corinthians 16:2 the apostle Paul specifically instructed the New Testament church at Corinth to collect their financial offering "upon the first day of the week." 5. Remember that the New Testament church is built upon the foundation of the New Testament apostles and prophets, "Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone," not upon the Old Testament law and prophets.
  28. 3 points
    Talked with Brother Taylor earlier this evening (first time we've spoken since the wreck) and and long story short, it's a miracle he's alive! He's understandably still very sore and on some meds, but he preached yesterday morning, saying the LORD gave him a message at 3AM that morning, so reckon he was supposed to preach it! Still pray for him, his family and church, as he still has some recovery ahead. Thanks for reading, praying and sharing!
  29. 3 points
    If I was you I would ask to see their guidebook/handbook, that is what turned me off from BIMI and FBWWM, I just saw so many rules that restricted the missionaries freedom and many of the rules had nothing to do with the Bible. Unfortunately today, people sometimes think their own philosophy of missions is the only way to do missions, there are many things the Bible does not address but certain mission boards and missionaries feel so strongly about. I have personally seen where missionaries and boards try to Lord it over another missionary. But you will have to decide for yourself what is best for you.
  30. 3 points
    heartstrings

    Saved before the Cross?????

    No. The sacrifices and observances of the law never saved anyone; it was always by grace through faith. King James Bible Par ▾ hebrews 10 1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
  31. 3 points
    heartstrings

    Saved before the Cross?????

    Luke 2:25-35 King James Version (KJV) 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ. 27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law, 28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said, 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. Every single verse in this passage indicates that Simeon was already a child of God, looking FORWARD toward to Christ. He was an "old testament saint".
  32. 3 points
    Rebecca

    Rock Tumbling

    Well, the rocks have finished tumbling in the final grit of sand, which should have polished them to a nice shiny finish. I rinsed off the gray sludgy sand, let them dry, and this is the end result: You may be thinking to yourself "they don't look shiny, do mine eyes deceive me?" The answer is, no, your eyes do not deceive you. The rocks did not shine up. If you'll notice, a few of them don't even have a bit of rough patches smoothed out. I asked myself "what happened?" And so I did a bit of research and discovered the answer. https://rocktumbler.com/blog/phooey-my-stones-didnt-get-a-nice-polish/ Problem 1: I had used rocks of varying hardness. Some were too soft and the harder rocks wore them down quickly. Problem 2: As a result of problem 1, the worn bits of soft rock changed the sand grit, it was no longer uniform, causing more wear to the soft rocks, and causing each week of tumbling to not change the rocks as it should have. Problem 3: Again related to problem 1, as a result of the rocks getting smaller, there was too much space in the tumbler, so the rocks were hitting each other instead of rubbing, causing again the problem of uneven wear. This rock tumbling site suggest using filler, such as ceramic or plastic pellets (https://rocktumbler.com/media.shtml) to help fill the spaces between rocks. Although I was a bit disappointed with my rookie mistakes, I learned a lot, and I know what to improve on for next time. I do need to learn how to check for rock hardness and determine which ones are the same or very similar hardness before even putting them in the tumbler, so that will help a lot with overcoming the main issue. This experience also gave me food for thought. There were several Biblical applications that can be applied here, but I had this thought first. Because I just thought of this, it's not really a proper lesson, just a rough draft that I'll polish up later. (puns!) I just wanted to share this thought here first. Who is shaping you, the world or the Lord? We are all shaped by our experiences as we go through life. But who is shaping us and why? The world As I tumbled the rocks, I had noticed one wearing down and removed them from the tumbling process. It was broken in three pieces, but could still be used and beautiful to look at. But I missed a few and they tumbled until there was nothing left, just grains. Some are tiny fractions of what they used to be. I can still use them, but they will never be as glamorous or amazing as I had hoped. When the world shapes us, it is for their own benefit, to take as much from you as possible. The world will take you, wear you down until there's nothing left, and spit you out when you have nothing left to give. The end result is you are but a shell, a fragment of your former self. Some people never recover from this process and give up on life completely. Some may turn to God who takes what's left and can use them for His honor and glory. The world's motive for using your life is selfishness, to use you up and destroy your life for their own gain. The Lord What is the Lord's motive for shaping us? God's motive for using our life is to give honor and glory to Him. God does want to use us, but not in the same way the world does. He doesn't want to use us up and throw us away when He's done. No, God wants us to endure the shaping process, to come out the other side purified, clean, and honorable. The shaping process is difficult, but God knows how to do it in such a way that we are not destroyed in the process, but purified. We cannot see what the end result will be, but God can. We need to trust God, put our lives in His hands. II Timothy 2:3 "Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ." II Timothy 2:20-21 "But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." Jeremiah 29:11 "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end." Titus 2:14 "Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." Hebrews 11-12 Psalm 51 The Bible is full of so many verses and entire chapters detailing how God wants to use us, but we have to go through a shaping process to get where God can use us the best, to bring Him honor and glory. But so many believe the shaping process is too difficult, too painful, and they give up. Don't give up on God's process. Trust Him to know that He only wants good things for you, just endure. Psalm 51:10 "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me."
  33. 3 points
    DaveW

    Local Church

    I didn't think you did believe that baptism is a part of salvation, but the verses that I have pointed to show that in order to make "church" from that passage the universal group of all believers, a person MUST believe in baptismal regeneration, for the order of events is indisputable. The order of events in vs 41 is: received the word, baptised, added unto them - this order states clearly that they were baptised before they were added (vs 47 identifies what they were added to, the church). There are two possible ways to look at this passage then - either: "the church" mentioned is not the universal group of all believers, and then we can easily say that salvation and baptism are not part of the same process, or "the church" IS the universal group of all believers, in which case baptism is clearly a requirement to finish salvation, for it is ONLY AFTER being baptised that they were added to the church. This is the simple issue in this passage - the order is exceptionally plain - received the word (saved) THEN baptised, THEN added unto them (the church). This is what the Bible says - there is no way around this matter. either it is a local church and salvation is totally separate to baptism and totally separate to being added to the church, or it is a universal church and baptism comes after receiving the word, BUT before being added The order of the events mentioned in Acts 2:41 is clear: Received (saved) -----------------------------> Baptised -------------------------------> Added (vs 47 to the church). If church is universal group of all believers, then baptism MUST happen before you are added to that group. This equals baptismal regeneration, or baptism as part of salvation. If church is local church. then salvation can still add to the group of all believers (unstated in this passage), but then the order remains as above, baptised, then added to the local church.. Salvation is separate to baptism, and baptism is separate to church membership - the timing of these things is not referenced in the passage ONLY THE ORDER. And vs 47 does not say that baptism doesn't come before church membership - that would contradict vs 41. Vs 47 simple omits that information because it is commentary, not instruction. That they were baptised is already referred to in vs 41. I have done nothing more than highlight the order of these events from the Bible passage, and show the logical conclusions involved. There would appear to be no further purpose to me taking part in this discussion as I will only be restating the same information.
  34. 3 points
    Propovednik

    Quick intro and testimony

    I was saved at the tender age of 6 in a Southern Baptist church ministry in Hawaii (dad was a military man). At the time my parents weren't really church going people, and during the summer the church had a program where neighbor kids would meet at different members' homes for Bible studies and games. One of the weeks a missionary (I can't remember where he served) spoke at the Bible study. At the end he asked if anyone wanted to accept Christ's offer of salvation, and I did! After that I started going to church with the neighbor, and when I'd get home I would ask my mom questions about the Bible that she couldn't answer. This went on for a few months until she finally decided to come to church to see what they were teaching. At that service she rededicated her life to the Lord (she had been saved as a teenager) and she ensured that my sisters and I always went to church from then on. About 4 years later my father had a close brush with death, and he rededicated his life to the Lord and took up the mantle of spiritual head of our little family. It wasn't too long (maybe a few months) before he began researching which churches are the closest to what is seen in the Bible and he discovered Independent Baptists. He had grown up Free Will Baptist, so besides the belief that one can lose their salvation, there wasn't too much of a difference. From that point on we have been Independent Baptists. I recently relocated to Pennsylvania and am visiting churches in my new area. There are 4 Independent Baptist churches within 30 minutes of my home. Years ago I was an active member of the online forum Historic Baptist Symposium, and I used the same handle - Propovednik. If there are any other HBS members here, you will likely remember me. I haven't been fellowshiping online much for the past 4 or 5 years because life has just been too busy with wife, kids, church, work, and planning a big move. Hopefully we will have a lot of fruitful discussions together!
  35. 3 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Local Church

    1Cor. 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles.
  36. 3 points
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    I took this picture with my cell phone. It was cloudy today, a bit. The mountains around here are beautiful, no matter if the sun is shining or not.
  37. 3 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    A curious crab!
  38. 3 points
    Nice testimony. Thank God for the Neighborhood Bible Clubs for kids. Statistics are high for young people getting saved, but when you get up in the middle years it becomes exceedingly difficult. Your story is also sad in a way. Your parents rededicated their lives to the Lord, which is great and quite a wonderful thing. But because they had drifted away from the Lord, you might not have been saved -- even though the knowledge of the Cross was right there within arm's length. I wish that discouraged people would only realize that if there was one good reason not to drift away from the Lord, it is their children. I went to Laz-Y-Boy and bought a neat custom made recliner just for this website. It has a vibrating seat, a heat source, a built-in refrigerator (where I can keep my cold soft drinks, pretzels, and candy apples), and an attached keyboard. I am ready to rumble! er, ramble . . .
  39. 3 points
    I can only answer for the church that I am a member of, but...... Any accusations of sexual abuse (whether adult or especial involving children) will be passed on to the police to investigate. Further to this, anyone who does not have a police clearance CANNOT work in children's ministries, and anyone with a record of child molestation cannot be alone with any child at our church building. But once again, this applies ONLY to the church that I am a member of. This is a factor of independent Baptist churches being INDEPENDENT. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY ONE PERSON SPEAKING FOR ALL INDEPENDENT BAPTIST CHURCHES BECAUSE WE ARE IUNDEPENDENT. This is part of the reason that the original article of accusations is not relevant to me. As I said before, it would be like someone saying that you are responsible for the murders committed in red brick houses because you live in a red brick house. It is a ridiculous assertion. Likewise, to suggest that I can speak on behalf of (and am therefore responsible for) an independent Baptist church that I have never been to, never spoken to, have no authority over, don't even live in the same state - or for that matter country - is clearly ridiculous. I have now answered on at least four occasions both the OP and the subsequent accusation that Independent Baptist Churches are somehow not independent, and unless there is some sort of change in the questioning, there is just no point in me saying anything further. It is not a discussion if one side refuses to listen. And for the final time - any sexual abuse is abhorrent and criminal and should be dealt with by the proper authorities.
  40. 3 points
    And once again you have been answered clearly and absolutely by me. Any allegations should be investigated by the proper authorities as a criminal act. However, because we are INDEPENDENT CHURCHES - whether you like it or nor - no single person can speak for all Independent Baptist churches. You show a clear lack of understanding of what an independent Baptist church is, which makes your claim to be an independent Baptist nothing short of a lie. I am sorry to be so blunt, but you cannot claim to be a part of something that you so clearly have no knowledge of. And if you really were an independent Baptist you would understand that you arguments against the term are wrong. So once more, every independent Baptist church I personally know of would not hesitate to get the proper authorities involved with any allegation of sexual abuse. HOWEVER, as independent churches NO SINGLE PERSON OR BODY can speak for the group. Whatever you say, independent Baptist churches are not a denomination in any organised sense, and there is no spokesperson, ruling body, or organized council to speak in the fashion which you seek. Your manner, you arguments, and you mistaken understanding of what an independent Baptist church is all combine to indicate that you have nefarious motives. Speak to us plainly of your background, your affiliations, and your purpose, and we might be more keen on discussion. Many of us are more than happy to discuss with even those who are of opposing views, just so long as those people are honest and reasonable.
  41. 2 points
    wretched

    How does one fast?

    Hey friend There is only one correct answer to this. Follow the instructions at the bottom of this link page and you will live. Faith comes only by hearing His Word. https://www.jesussaidwhat.com
  42. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Questions about deputation

    Thank you Rebecca. And there we have what I was inadequately trying to get at; If God has called you to a mission field He is fully able to equip you to overcome all obstacles.
  43. 2 points
    That's really interesting!
  44. 2 points
    Lookingfortruth, I am partly ashamed to admit this but at the same time hoping to encourage you on the same level. When we were looking for churches, my wife actually led the charge. She found a church she liked. We had been there before. I had family who attended it. I had no clue what their doctrine was at first, just that it was a Baptist church. I didn't learn it was independent until a year or so later. I had a thirst for knowledge. I had my thirst quenched at this church and haven't looked back. I am ashamed that my wife led the charge when it should've been me but it was HER faithfulness to truth that brought me along.
  45. 2 points
    John Young

    Sabbath Worship?

  46. 2 points
    DaveW

    Local Church

    Well, Jesus is talking to the disciples at that time - the obvious conclusion is that they are the church he was talking to. They were baptized believers, they were organized as displayed by the fact that they had a Pastor and a treasurer, and they were gathered to do the will of God - what else do they need to be a church?
  47. 2 points
    1Timothy115

    THE DANGER OF STANDARDS

    Yes, the standard for all of us, who would strive to hit the target is Christ Jesus. Philippians 3:12-14
  48. 2 points
    Totoosart

    The Answers Are Coming

    Greetings all, i just want to share this and say i feel so blessed to have found onlinebaptist.com and you helpful people. Since my arrival here, i have been able to find more answers and although i am full of questions and doubts, i know and believe that the answers are coming. Thank you all and may the Lord bless your hearts Jeremiah 29:13: 'And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.' Matthew 7:7: 'Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:' Matthew 7:8: 'For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.' Luke 11:9: 'And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.' Luke 11:10: 'For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.'
  49. 2 points
    2bLikeJesus

    My father is dying.

    Update. My dad came through his emergency surgery and is recovering well. They transferred him from the hospital to a rehab facility last night. After he is sufficiently on his feet again, then starts the decision on what to do about all the tumors on his liver. The doctor stated that those types of tumors that result from a metastasized spread from a cancer in another part of the body, typically respond well to chemo. That is where the real battle will come in that needs prayer; my dad's willingness to go through extraordinary means to prolong his life when what he really wants is to go to his eternal home. All that he has left on this dirt ball is me and my siblings, all his friends and both wives (my mom died young in her 30's of cancer) are already waiting for him. Please continue to pray for the salvation of my brother and sister. Because I live a separated lifestyle with standards based on bible principles, they think I am in some kind a weird cult and they are just waiting for me to drink the koolaid.
  50. 2 points
    Sorry, I just don't trust that you are who or what you claim to be. You have posted nothing to edify the forum. I'm finished.
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