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  1. 6 points

    Meeting Friends IRL

    We were blessed today with meeting 2bLikeJesus and his wife today. They visited our services and then we went out for lunch. Sweet fellowship, good food, and godly friends. Always a good mixture. From left to right is my mom, Josh, Randy, me, Laurel, and Gary.
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    Meeting Friends IRL

    Thanks for the pic HC, it's nice to be able to put faces with the names.
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    The problem (if I am reading your posts correctly) is that you are looking for a majority teaching from IB. This may be to either: A) Use such teaching as your means to "give an answer to every man", or B) use the results as a means to later determine whether you can (or should) stay with or withdraw from IB as a whole as opposed to an individual IBC. I would contend that you should (and perhaps this is your intent, though it is not the impression I get from your posts) study out the subject in the Word of God. Should you go ahead and look at the various angles, explanations, logic, verses, and refutations espoused by all "camps"? Sure, but don't look at any of them on the basis of a "majority rules" decision. Only then can you be "ready to give an answer to every man" and be "fully persuaded" in your own mind.
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    Matt McMillen Ministries

    Matt, As I expressed in my personal message to you here on Online Baptist, I would send you a personal e-mail to your matt@mcmillen.com address once I set up our e-mail account here in the States. We just returned from overseas today and I am still in the process of setting up our home and office. Just a few minutes ago I was able to send you an e-mail requesting information concerning your ministry and to try and ascertain exactly what information was not accurate in my 6/9/2019 post as quoted above. You clearly stated, "None of the stuff in this thread is accurate about me." But, you did not give one example. To me, that is wrong and not honest. When you accuse a person in a public forum of stating an inaccurate statement and not give the reason why the individual gave an inaccurate statement, in public, and then tell everyone to send a private e-mail stating why the individual stated an inaccurate statement, that is wrong. Again, what you did was wrong. If you are going to accuse us, and me as I made a statement, than you need to publicly state your doctrinal statement, background, ministry, the church you are affiliated with, publicly. I did review your mattmcmillenministries.com/about/ website, and as far as I can read, I cannot accept your statement that all that I said was inaccurate. On your website you have no doctrinal statement, no background information, and no church affiliation statement. As far as I am concerned, your statement, "None of the stuff in this thread is accurate about me" was publicly stated as a fact without publicly stating why ALL our statements were inaccurate, was wrong and dishonest. Alan
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    Meeting Friends IRL

    What a wonderful visit! I am so glad to see another church that is sticking to the "old paths" and not jettisoning the KJV bible, not changing music standards to rock/ccm which is not Christ honoring music, and teaching a separated lifestyle based on principles found in God's word! It was nice knowing that even though we have only met online here it was as if I was visiting close family, which in a sense I was since you all are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Your turn now! Roseburg is only 389 miles south, an easy 6 hour drive! Love to see you guys visit us!
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    Bible Study Challenge

    This type of study is never mentioned by men but is the central theme of Scripture (Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God). No matter where you feel you are in your walk with God this study program will change you. Even the most seemingly solidly grounded of believers will benefit from this little idea, it is guaranteed by God. Faith comes by HEARING and hearing by the Word of God. Hearing God's Word without the commentary (tradition) that makes the Word of none effect. Try this, let the Spirit guide you in all truth. Although seemingly mundane as far as systems of belief go, no big shots names to elevate, no frills, no flash, no commentary or merchandise to buy, only God's Word in the archaic, hard to understand King James English. Find Scourby narrated KJV New Testament Books on youtube and you are ready to begin. God's Word is the ultimate test of your faith. If you are truly seeking God's Truth, He will reveal it to you so listen as if your life depends upon it (because it probably does). To start, set aside all time you normally devote to sermon/commentary study and divert it all to this. · Listen to all the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) first and repeat them five times in a row consecutively. · Then the Book of Acts five times in a row · Then the remainder of the New Testament Epistles (Romans all the way through Jude). Repeat them five times, · By this time you will be far more prepared for the Book of Revelation than you ever thought you could be. You will be assured of the Spirit's presence as you understand more and more by God's Word and God's Spirit (Like He said in John 3:8). God made clear that "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God". You will truly understand what this means as you discover new truths every time you intently listen praying for the Holy Spirit's Guidance. You will find yourself pausing the script and opening your Bible, saying to yourself - I never saw nor ever heard this before in its true context. Soon you will know that peace that HE KNOWS YOU. You will discover whether your house was built on sand (wolves in sheep's clothing doctrine) or on the Solid Rock of Christ's teachings. Soon you will clearly see every teaching of Christ rephrased, reiterated and reinforced throughout all the Epistles and Revelation. Then repeat this whole plan again and again. You will understand finally what it Scripturally means to walk with God. Listening to His Word defines clearly every context of the Scriptures. When context is truly captured so will the definitions of every archaic word. You will see how context provides definition in every single case. After repetitive listening and walking with God in His Word, The Spirit will connect dots you never imagined before and you will see His Word from a strategic viewpoint. The Spirit of Truth will become clear as it debunks the previous spirit of error. You may very well discover that God's Opinion differs greatly from the opinions you previously had regardless of sect or system. If sincere, the likely affect will be that you will find yourself being freed from the system of belief or camp you were brainwashed into. AND YES, I do mean brainwashed. In most cases, this will save your eternal life. You will see that most if not all doctrine you stood so vehemently for is not found in contextual New Testament Scripture. All I am pleading with you to do is to listen only to God's Word. Without gimmicks or opinion. There is a strong chance most who read this have never received enough of His Word, unadulterated. Even the most self-proclaimed Mature Christians typically equate Bible Study with sermon/commentary study, reverting to Scripture merely as reference instead of the Bread of Life. This is your chance to see just how far you have been led astray from God's Truth. Devote hours daily, including your commutes to this and this only. Saturate yourself in His Word and you will find the peace of God from God, not from men's plucked out, false assurances. Take this challenge, what do you have to lose? No matter how smart you are, how formally educated, how theological you think you are, DO THIS and decide for yourself if this is or is not the KEY to everything..... For convenience only, The New Testament recordings are consolidated here: Listen to God's Word
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    The beauty of creation

    During a trip to the Taipei Zoo, (in Taipei, Taiwan, the Republic of China), we had the opportunity to see a Panda Bear. As my wife said, "My aren't they adorable!"
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    Our Church...

    Linda is at the hospital in Seattle today. Too far, with Randy's injury, for us to go. The procedure is not as invasive as the first one, but is still a biggie. They nicked her spinal cord during the last surgery, and so were not able to finish what they needed to do (they had to spend the time repairing the nick). She has had good and bad days - a lot of pain, especially in her right leg, from the damage to the spinal cord. That problem might never clear up. Her husband has had all the testing done. His biopsy came back as lung cancer, stage 3B. The B means it has spread to the lymph nodes. Would appreciate prayer for them and their family.
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    Matt McMillen Ministries

    I should add that the ONLY REASON I went to the website to investigate is because of his accusatory post towards Alan. I generally don't post about such people, preferring to leave them alone. But when someone accuses a solid man like Alan in this way, I investigate to see who is right. I like Alan, but he is only a man and I am sure he would happily admit that he is prone to mistakes, as are we all. As such I check to see who is telling it like really is. In my opinion, Alan is far more trustworthy than this mcmillinministries guy.
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    Matt McMillen Ministries

    Had a quick look at his website, and a few things come up to me. Most on this website are pretty clear about the KJV issue, and this is a FANTASTIC example..... ******* This is from the NIV, and is the title verse of one of his devotions. “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” 2 Corinthians 5:17******* This is the KJV: 2Co 5:17 (17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Now, if you compare the two versions, you see some GLARING differences in substance. "The new creation has come" is a very different statement to "he is a new creature". One (the KJV) designates the one in Christ as becoming a new creature, the other (the NIV) talks of some undefined new creation having come - but there is no idea from the passage what this new creation is or what it is doing. A fantastic example why the KJV issue is not a side issue. Secondly, I am always wary when a Christian site deliberately leave off any kind of statement of faith or list of basic beliefs. I wonder what they are trying to keep secret...….. Thirdly, whenever I see a ministry which is named after a man I cringe. What about the kind of attitude that John the Baptist had: Joh 3:29-30 (29) He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. (30) He must increase, but I must decrease. Or Paul's attitude: 2Co 12:7 (7) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. And Paul was glad of his infirmity, for it kept him humble. And we see so many people today with ministries that they name after themselves...……….. Is this a godly thing to do? It would seem that it is not. As to particular teachings, I have quickly perused the devotional about divorce, and I must say that he begins by presenting the most extreme examples of bad relationships. This is a common tactic of those who wish to support a practice - see the abortionists who talk about rape victims as a justification for abortion when the truth is that the number of abortions done in such cases is far less than 1% of the total. Use the extreme to justify the practice, and then apply the practice generally. This is the tactic that his devotion begins with - extreme examples that everyone agrees are abominable, which set people on the mind of supporting divorce. He then attacks the extreme position that says a person must stay in such extreme relationships no matter what - which I for one have never heard anyone promote. This is called a "straw man argument". So you see that in this one devotion he uses extreme examples and argues against extreme counter positions, and he does so tactically, with no real initial bible referencing. Regardless of where you stand on the actual issue, you must see that this is a deceitful tactic which is designed, not to find truth, but to sway to a predisposed position. Also in one of the examples he states “God hates divorce,” the pastor says. “But, biblically, you are allowed to divorce her because of her adultery. I wouldn’t take the chance though. There’s no guarantee you’ll stay saved yourself. After the divorce you might fall out of God’s will for your own life and be in danger of the fires of hell. Hang in there, lest you fall too.” This is the answer that a mythical pastor gives to a mythical husband about a mythical unfaithful wife. Note that the Pastor says "....There's no guarantee you'll stay saved yourself..." This is in one of his made up examples - now I am not sure if he is a proponent of loss of salvation or not, but the example he uses here the Pastor certainly is. However, I suspect that this man is no fan of churches and Pastors in general, and so he is here painting the Pastor (mythical as he is) in the worst possible light. He also is attacking the premise that divorce is some kind of unforgivable sin, which I have never heard an IFB preacher present, so this is again a straw man that he has made for the purposes of being able to tear it down. I would suggest that this guy is at the very least not an independent Baptist, and that is reason enough to be very wary of his teaching. He uses other versions (At least the NIV, but since he does not give any credit that I can find, each instance needs to be checked). This is a concern, because different versions say different things - as we can see by the example above. He makes certain statements that are just plain wrong: “Therefore, my brethren (anytime Paul says brethren he’s referring to his Jewish race), you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God…But now we have been released from the Law (just like a woman is released from her husband if he dies) having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter (the letter is the Law).” (Romans 7:4,6, my notes added) How about these: Rom 1:13 (13) Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. Who is he talking to? ONLY to Jews in Rome? Rom 1:6-7 (6) Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: (7) To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Hmmmm - doesn't seem to be talking about Jews there. Another one: 1Co 1:10 (10) Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Who is included in brethren here? 1Co 1:1-2 (1) Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, (2) Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Another: 2Co 1:8 (8) For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: 2Co 1:1 (1) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia: Another: Gal 1:1-2 (1) Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) (2) And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: Who was with Him? We don't know, but it is supposed that the Letter to the Galatians was written from Rome, so it is unlikely that there were only Jewish believers with Paul. Onesimus was with Paul in Rome at one stage, and he was apparently a slave of a man with a Greek name, who had a church with people with Greek names, and Onesimus appears to be a Greek name. And another: Eph 6:10 (10) Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Considering that this was also written from Rome, and written to the church in the city of Ephesus, and that Paul uses a specific armour description pertaining to the Roman soldier, it is unlikely that this letter was written only to Jews. And we could go on - I have only used the FIRST instance of the word brethren in each of these epistles, and not cherry picked the best ones. Clearly, Paul used the term Brethren to speak also of non-Jewish saints, and not just of his own countrymen, although he did also use the term brethren on one occasion that I could find to refer specifically to Jews: Rom 9:3 (3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Kind of a difference that the majority of times that Paul used the term "brethren", he was talking of saints regardless of nation, and only once that I could find (with a quick search) did he use the term "Brethren" to denote those of his own nation. What did this teacher say? ".....(anytime Paul says brethren he’s referring to his Jewish race),......" Are these enough reasons to be wary of this man? And then he comes on here and accuses Alan of lying about him............ Without any answers or evidence to back up his accusation. Nutshell: Wrong Bible Version. No list of beliefs to give people a baseline of his doctrinal position. Prideful naming of ministry. deceitful method of presentation of argument. Straw man arguments Extreme case presentation, general application. (Abortionist method) Unbiblical claims And remember that this is from ONE of his devotions. It will be interesting to see if he answers any of this stuff. In any case, I won't be buying one of his books any time soon.
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    McMillen & the Physical Body of Christ

    Matt McMillen States, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” (See John 8:58). Before Abraham was born, which was way before Jesus was physically born, I am? Do you see it, friend? He always has been, and always will be. He temporarily became flesh for us.” In this devotion we come across two items. (A) The greatest verse in the Bible concerning Christ being the great “I am” of Exodus 3:14 McMillen states, “He always has been, and always will be.” McMillen does not add the all-important word: “God.” Does McMillen believe that the Lord Jesus was eternal as was God the Father? Who knows? Is he a Jehovah’s Witness or a Contemporary Southern Baptist? I don’t know? Do You? McMillen is confusing and seems to be trying not to offend any denominational belief. Or, he has some serious doctrinal issues. (D) “He temporarily became flesh for us.” Is it doctrinal correct to say that Christ “temporarily” became flesh for us? After the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, He appeared in a “body.” As with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, McMillen has a serious problem with the resurrected “body” of the Lord Jesus. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the “body” of Christ was a “spirit body.” Who knows what McMillen truly believes? The, “body,” the tabernacle, of the Lord Jesus was eternal, glorified, and is now sitting on the throne in Heaven. The Lord Jesus is “bodily” coming in the clouds of heaven and men will be able to “touch” the nail prints in His hands and the spear wound in His side. McMillen, Matt What Happens When You Die? Devotion. Copied on July 18, 2019. <https://mattmcmillenministries.com/what-happens-when-you-die/>
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    "Good" Friday?

    Then you truly ignored the book of Acts and the end of the Gospels. There are various references to both gathering together on the first day of the week and remembering Christ’s (death, burial, and) resurrection. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Jesus can’t return to gather the saints and establish His kingdom if He is not alive to do so. Just to clarify: what are you asking or debating here exactly? Denying or questioning they gathered on the first day of the week, or that they specifically remembered (or celebrated in some way) the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ arose? It’s hard to give specific passages when I am not sure what you are looking for. The New Testament is full of references to the resurrection of Christ, and the book of Acts (and even 1 Corinthians) contain various references to believers meeting together on the Lord’s Day/Sunday.
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    Thanks - but most or all here are very sad for you if you cannot say the same. You are either saved or lost, going to Heaven or to Hell, in Christ or damned for all eternity. Of course, a lost person can repent of their sins and trust the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation thereby changing their condition. Hopefully you have done so or will do so soon - asking endless questions won’t get you to Heaven - trusting in Jesus Christ alone to save you from your sins will.
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    OLD fashioned preacher

    Bible Study Challenge

    Actually, he's not stating that a certain # of times in reading will mysteriously .... The emphasis here is to inundate yourself with enough Scripture to know the context and flow of the given book instead of just a verse or two which may or may not be lifted partially or totally out of context. I was once told in 1981 by an old Bible College professor (Rufus Bryant - he was saved around 1915 or so) "If you are studying a book of the Bible, read it through at least 15 times before picking up your pencil to write any notes." The idea here is to get to know the passage well before seeking to comment, teach, or analyze said passage. You can't get enough of God's Word. As Lester Roloff once said concerning hiding God's Word in our hearts, "it's time we QUIT having our children memorize verses, they need to be memorizing CHAPTERS". He believed that about the adults, too. People who have seen their sincere beliefs were Biblically wrong generally see it from Bible, not commentary.
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    Just try to remember that this "model prayer" was given as an example, it was not meant to be repeated by rote. Jesus gave us this so that we would understand the things our own personal prayer should contain. Our prayers should be personal and unique to our life and situations and walk with our God, not just something to be repeated over and over again.
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    Our Church...

    Thanks for the info. I'll let her know. Jim, Linda's husband, is in the hospital with pneumonia.
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    No pictures of any created thing?

    Can I point out that the title of this thread is very specifically "No pictures of any created thing?" I understand the point of clarifying that no image of God is to be made, but unless you are suggesting that God is a created thing, this side of the discussion is off topic and in fact muddying the waters of this topic. If someone later comes along looking g for discussion about THE TOPIC they will be quickly drawn away from the topic. Start another thread to discuss images of God..... PLEASE!
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    Sabbath Worship?

    Pentecost was always on a Sunday. It was the 50th day after a particular sabbath (after the sabbath of Passover week) - 1 day (which makes it Sunday - the first day of the week) plus seven weeks (49 days).
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    Matt McMillen Ministries

    From what I have tried to learn on the internet, Matt McMillen ministries is mostly writing devotional books. Here is the link: https://mattmcmillenministries.com/about/ I read several of his devotions. From what I can gather is that he is contemporary in his writings. On one devotion, he believed heaven was "in us" but was hesitant to say it was a place; but it was a place where God dwells. In the same devotion, for the unsaved, they did not have heaven, but, Matt did not mention a place called hell, or even mention hell. The devotions that I read were somewhat confusing as if he did not want to offend anybody. There was no doctrinal statement that I could find. As far as his background was concerned. Matt McMillen's background was also confusing. Evidently, I cannot say positively, he graduated from a Southern Baptist University in Texas, was a "Student pastor" at "FiveStone Community Church" in Garland, Texas. "FiveStone Community Church is a hard-core contemporary church, again, with no doctrinal statement. 7/22/19 update: Although Matt has not answered my personal e-mail as of 7/22/19, after a further search, I was able to sort out part of, not all, of the confusion concerning Matt McMillen's background. Matt McMillen is a different person from the Matt at FiveStone Church. Alan In my estimation, he is in the religious book selling business trying to make a profit from anybody who goes to any church.
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    I'm sorry that you have this baggage, Corinne. Battles of the mind are some of the hardest to fight. God tells us that our minds shape what we are - "As he thinketh in his heart, so is he." This verse is speaking directly about an evil man, but the principle is still there - as we think, so we are. Sin of any kind becomes baggage, and the mind will always battle it. You are battling religious indoctrination, others battle past experiences of a different type. But the Holy Spirit is able - and willing - to help us. The only way to conquer this kind of thing is to completely immerse oneself in scripture and prayer. Maybe you could do a Bible study on the mind? Eph. 5:26 says "That he might sanctify and cleanse it by the washing of water by the word..." The verse is speaking of the church. Who is the church? We are...God can wash our minds by the word. The indoctrination you underwent will be hard to shake - I'm not in any way saying it will be easy. But God is able. Will be praying for you.
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    Back to the bylaws, most are set up with the church deciding to close, merge, re-incorporate, et.al. If the church chooses to remain and the pastor takes the bank account (or portion thereof) without the approval of "body" as set forth in said bylaws then he is in violation of the same.
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    In accordance with the church bylaws. With our church the bylaws state it is disbursed between churches, missionaries, and/or ministries of like faith severally as deemed by the congregation at closure. (after liquidation and satisfaction of all liabilities)
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