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  1. 4 points
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    Well, this is a thread about the beauty of creation, right? My guys are pretty handsome, and there are some nice trees in the background. This was taken on Father's Day. The second year in a row we've been able to spend it with our son, after many years without him.
  2. 4 points
    DaveW

    The beauty of creation

    The view of a winter's day in Perth, Western Australia. It is hard to live here, but somebody has to do it.......
  3. 3 points
    Alan

    Matt McMillen Ministries

    Matt, As I expressed in my personal message to you here on Online Baptist, I would send you a personal e-mail to your matt@mcmillen.com address once I set up our e-mail account here in the States. We just returned from overseas today and I am still in the process of setting up our home and office. Just a few minutes ago I was able to send you an e-mail requesting information concerning your ministry and to try and ascertain exactly what information was not accurate in my 6/9/2019 post as quoted above. You clearly stated, "None of the stuff in this thread is accurate about me." But, you did not give one example. To me, that is wrong and not honest. When you accuse a person in a public forum of stating an inaccurate statement and not give the reason why the individual gave an inaccurate statement, in public, and then tell everyone to send a private e-mail stating why the individual stated an inaccurate statement, that is wrong. Again, what you did was wrong. If you are going to accuse us, and me as I made a statement, than you need to publicly state your doctrinal statement, background, ministry, the church you are affiliated with, publicly. I did review your mattmcmillenministries.com/about/ website, and as far as I can read, I cannot accept your statement that all that I said was inaccurate. On your website you have no doctrinal statement, no background information, and no church affiliation statement. As far as I am concerned, your statement, "None of the stuff in this thread is accurate about me" was publicly stated as a fact without publicly stating why ALL our statements were inaccurate, was wrong and dishonest. Alan
  4. 3 points
    Salyan

    Coming pole shift

    I’m sorry... which of the plagues were supposedly worldwide? And what evidence have you for this?
  5. 3 points
    HappyChristian

    Our Church...

    Our church was very small to begin with, but over the last year it has shrunk (due to gossip and folks not liking what the Bible says about their sin...). We are an older church, meaning that most of us are close to 60 or older. And so the various health issues of aging affect us. Other issues do as well. One of our ladies just underwent back surgery. She will be in the hospital for 5-7 days, and then who knows how long to recover, with another surgery in 4-6 weeks. Her blood pressure is too low right now, so she is in ICU. Her name is Linda. Linda's husband, Jim, just found out that part of one of his lungs has collapsed, and there is a mass. Another lady, Pat, has congestive heart disease and is really struggling with water buildup. I would appreciate prayer for these 3 folks, but also for the entire church. With my husband's injury, he is not able to get out knocking on doors, so we are not making contacts. Would appreciate prayer that God will grow our church, both spiritually and physically.
  6. 3 points
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    The beautiful east coast of Taiwan! Photo by Alan A view a little higher up and facing the ocean. Photo by Rebecca
  7. 3 points
    Jerry

    He who letteth

    So? It is describing the cherubim and how they move about. It doesn’t need to be anything weird, wacky, or go beyond the Bible. It is referring to spiritual beings. I doubt they are using some physical ship to travel about, even if it is hard to fully understand what they are portraying.
  8. 3 points
    Alan

    Patriotism

    Brethren, I was asked in a private message, about a month back, if the individual could post this testimony of mine and my service in the Vietnam War in a printed article. I agreed. As a public notice, if anybody, whether or not a member of OnLineBaptist, wants to post my personal testimony on Patriotism and my Vietnam War experience, on a website, newspaper article, institution newsletters, or any other article or media, they may do so. If they want to use my full name that is acceptable also. If further information is needed, or desired, please send me a message either by PM or as a reply in this thread. Dr. Maurice Alan Young, Sgt., E-4, Honorable Discharge, USAF
  9. 3 points
    I have never had any issues with posting Bible verses or such on facebook. I even have a page for my ministry, which I am keeping as "closed/private". But I also don't post highly controversial things either, which I've noticed most people put in "facebook jail" are doing. Facebook as a whole is beginning to regulate words and phrases more often, they are cracking down on what they consider to be "hate" speech (and controversial Christian activity). But thus far I haven't had any issues.
  10. 2 points
    Alan

    McMillen & the Physical Body of Christ

    Matt McMillen States, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” (See John 8:58). Before Abraham was born, which was way before Jesus was physically born, I am? Do you see it, friend? He always has been, and always will be. He temporarily became flesh for us.” In this devotion we come across two items. (A) The greatest verse in the Bible concerning Christ being the great “I am” of Exodus 3:14 McMillen states, “He always has been, and always will be.” McMillen does not add the all-important word: “God.” Does McMillen believe that the Lord Jesus was eternal as was God the Father? Who knows? Is he a Jehovah’s Witness or a Contemporary Southern Baptist? I don’t know? Do You? McMillen is confusing and seems to be trying not to offend any denominational belief. Or, he has some serious doctrinal issues. (D) “He temporarily became flesh for us.” Is it doctrinal correct to say that Christ “temporarily” became flesh for us? After the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, He appeared in a “body.” As with the Jehovah’s Witnesses, McMillan has a serious problem with the resurrected “body” of the Lord Jesus. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that the “body” of Christ was a “spirit body.” Who knows what McMillen truly believes? The, “body,” the tabernacle, of the Lord Jesus was eternal, glorified, and is now sitting on the throne in Heaven. The Lord Jesus is “bodily” coming in the clouds of heaven and men will be able to “touch” the nail prints in His hands and the spear wound in His side. McMillen, Matt What Happens When You Die? Devotion. Copied on July 18, 2019. <https://mattmcmillenministries.com/what-happens-when-you-die/>
  11. 2 points
    Jerry

    "Good" Friday?

    Then you truly ignored the book of Acts and the end of the Gospels. There are various references to both gathering together on the first day of the week and remembering Christ’s (death, burial, and) resurrection. 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. 1 Corinthians 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Jesus can’t return to gather the saints and establish His kingdom if He is not alive to do so. Just to clarify: what are you asking or debating here exactly? Denying or questioning they gathered on the first day of the week, or that they specifically remembered (or celebrated in some way) the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ arose? It’s hard to give specific passages when I am not sure what you are looking for. The New Testament is full of references to the resurrection of Christ, and the book of Acts (and even 1 Corinthians) contain various references to believers meeting together on the Lord’s Day/Sunday.
  12. 2 points
    Jerry

    Sabbath Worship?

    Pentecost was always on a Sunday. It was the 50th day after a particular sabbath (after the sabbath of Passover week) - 1 day (which makes it Sunday - the first day of the week) plus seven weeks (49 days).
  13. 2 points
    WellWithMySoul

    What Does God Say?

    I was truly seeking scriptural counsel from a "multitude of counsellors," but I love how the Lord gives all utterance as THE Counsellor! A dear friend who is not only saved but obviously loves the Lord has been dealing with some very hurtful family issues. She has moved from the area but her siblings (doubtful that they are saved) have been openly gossipping and falsely accusing her to others locally. It is a grievous situation as we live in a very rural area. My friend was back doing some business and visiting for the day and a mutual friend informed her about the bad-mouthing that was continuing. With tears my friend sought counsel from me and the Lord truly helped me to give her an encouraging response. However, Proverbs speaks three times about a multitude of counsellors, and so I would be grateful for any scriptural counsel offered here still.
  14. 2 points
    Alan

    Coming pole shift

    As I previously brought out, there is no physical sun nor moon in eternity. Also, Revelation 22:5, states, "And there shall no night there; and they need no candle, neither the light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever." As previously stated, Isaiah 60:19-20 is absolutely talking about eternity and not the 1000 Year Reign of Christ on the earth. Therefore, there is no moon and sun to create any type of shadow, especially, a "pole shift" in relationship to Isaiah 60:19-20. The concept of a "pole shift" is not scientific nor is it biblical.
  15. 2 points
    Hi, greetings all i've got a humble suggestion for all churches: i propose the kind pastors teach everyone to recite the Bible beautifully, especially the pastors themselves need to be able to recite the verses correctly and clearly. It is heartbreaking to watch some pastors on YouTube just run through the verses without giving nor showing any sense and feeling from what they read. If you are short of time, do not save it by running through the text, if you are so short of time, why are you doing this in the first place? If you need to read the text, pay the text its respect, and read calmly and beautifully, let it sink in the listeners and your audience. Otherwise, what is the point???? How can one expect to move the multitudes when the reciter is sans feeling? i strongly recommend everyone to at least listen to Mr Alexander Scournby's recordings, he is not perfect, but he is the best there is, hope someone will better him soon. There are dramatised recordings, i do not recommend them, for one, they are not the KJV, and when something is dramatised, it's the view point of the director, not the book. Have a better day and bless your hearts, Totoo
  16. 2 points
    Salyan

    Coming pole shift

    OK, so first of all you didn’t actually answer my question. Secondly, You’re adding an interpretation of those verses that is simply not in the clear reading of the text. They could mean the sun’s light is removed (doesn’t specify how, so you shouldn’t), or they could just mean that the light of the Son is so great we don’t even notice the natural lights of heaven anymore. This is called “private interpretation”, Eric. It’s fiction, not Bible study, and it’s wrong. May I respectfully suggest that you refrain from making up your own explanations for things that God has chosen not to explain??
  17. 2 points
    Due to the nature of the churches being independent in their autonomy, a percentage of what is believed, practiced or condemned by Independent Baptists (or Independent Fundamental Baptists, or Bible Believing Baptists, or Independent Bible Believing Baptists, or Unaffiliated Baptists, or Unaffiliated Independent Baptists - just to include some of the independently chosen monikers I've seen, get the idea yet? i - n - d - e - p -e - n - d - e - n - t) is not calculable (and can only be assumed) because there is not even a source that list ALL of the IBCs in the USA, much less outside of the US.
  18. 2 points
    Jerry

    No pictures of any created thing?

    The Bible (including that passage in Deuteronomy) forbids the making of any images of God (or gods) - which would include statues/pics, etc. of Jesus as a man (which unfortunately too many believers overlook). If God was against the making of any image of any created being at all, then He would not have commanded them to make images of certain creatures in the construction of the tabernacle/temple. “Of course he is not paying attention to the context of these passages, where the problem is not the pictures, but the worship of them.” Actually, the Bible forbids any images of God whether they are worshipped or not.
  19. 2 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Our Church...

    I'll be in prayer for the three people you mentioned, as well as the church and Randy. Just remember that it is through much tribulation and the darkest of times that God's glory and purposes shine the brightest.
  20. 1 point
    WellWithMySoul

    What Does God Say?

    Thank you both for your responses! Both of you referred to the book of Proverbs, which I also referred my friend to. Even though this gal is a bit younger in the Lord than I am, she has an amazing love for Him. She greatly desires to not only be in obedience to the Lord and His will, but also to glorify and please Him with her whole situation. It was such a blessing to literally watch the Spirit working in her heart. At the beginning of our conversation her voice was wavering and there were tears in her eyes from fresh hurt. She does not use a KJV, but watching the transformation in her demeaner from hearing verses and portions of verses from the KJV was awesome (Heb. 4:12). I could just see the weight of burden lifting from her and see peace enveloping her as her hope in the Lord was renewed yet again. You're right, Alan...about how powerful the tongue is. James 3:4 & 5 - "Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. * Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!" Thank you for your thoughts and desire to give wise counsel. Dave...thank you for sharing about your own personal situation. It sounds like I have a similar response as your wife. I feel protective too when others are "attacked" without cause. I did the best I could to encourage my friend and to remind her how in His time, the Lord brings things around. When one's light (as in Matt. 5:16) shines before men then like is says in John 3:21...then "...His deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God". I surely agree that if we honour and serve the Lord the best we can, then the Lord will protect us and the truth will become obvious and will prevail.
  21. 1 point
    DaveW

    What Does God Say?

    Pro_11:3 The integrity of the upright shall guide them: but the perverseness of transgressors shall destroy them. Pro_19:1 Better is the poor that walketh in his integrity, than he that is perverse in his lips, and is a fool. Pro_20:7 The just man walketh in his integrity: his children are blessed after him. I have found over the years that when such gossip and slander is spread around, it is simply best to let the Lord deal with it, and do nothing. It is really hard to do sometimes, but if you "stand in your integrity" the truth will eventually outshine the lies. I have been the target of such attacks on a few occasions over the years, and it is my wife who struggles most with it - she cannot bear to see someone attack my character without cause. The most recent occasion involved a man slandering me (and my wife and kids also to a lesser extent) to anyone and everyone who would listen, and it did cause us some trouble, but eventually the people stopped listening to him, because the lies came before people who refused to believe them because they know us. The gentleman involved eventually was corrected by others, and has since left the area entirely. He still is spreading his lies, but the Lord keep showing people the truth. Just a few months ago I heard from someone else who "had been told things" by this guy, and he contacted me to let me know that he wasn't buying what the guy was selling. I truly have found that if I walk as best I can to serve and honour the Lord - not that I do it all that well - but the Lord protects me from these attacks, and each time the other person runs out of people to gossip to.
  22. 1 point
    He could be new to the movement. I know I asked a lot of questions like this. He does sound a bit like he’s writing an essay, though.
  23. 1 point
    Alan

    Coming pole shift

    I fully know that Isaiah 60:3-22 is prophesying concerning the rebuilding of Israel and the repopulating of the earth and that the sun and the moon is still in existence in the heavens. If you read my post very carefully I just said that Verse 18-20 is the extension of the millennium into eternity exactly as Revelation 22:1-3, and 23 state. I also noted, but you ignored, that Revelation 22:23 is the fulfillment of Isaiah 60:19-20, " The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee am everlasting [notice the word EVERLASTING] light, and thy God thy glory. Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting [notice the word EVERLASTING] light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended." Only in eternity, Revelation 22:1 and following, can any of the prophecies in Isaiah 60:19-20 be fulfilled. THERE IS NO SHADOW OF THE SUN IN ETERNITY AND THERE IS NO MOON TO BLOCK THE RAYS OF THE SUN UPON ISRAEL.
  24. 1 point
    DaveW

    No pictures of any created thing?

    Not a fully finished paper by any means, really just the rambling Bible search results with some text to join them together, but here it is..... Make of it what you will.... The Discussion of the depiction of created things based on Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 4 is an interesting one. Recently I was told of someone who holds to the position that any representation of a created things was sinful. This position was apparently based on passages such as: Exo 20:4 (4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: And also: Deu 4:16-18 (16) Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, (17) The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, (18) The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: On the surface of it, one can understand why someone might jump to the conclusion that absolutely any picture, painting, photo, sculpture, or other form of artificial representation could be the subject of these passages. The question is whether this is a reasonable understanding of these passages? Of course, the one who wants to hold onto this “interpretation” of these passages will simply counter that they are holding to a strictly literal interpretation of the passages. So let’s have a look at the issues involved in this matter. There are two basic arguments against this understanding of these passages: Firstly, the matter of context. Whilst these particular verses initially appear to support this view, they only do so in isolation from their context. Let’s look at these verses WITH the surrounding verses. Exo 20:3-5 (3) Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: (5) Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; We will note that the basis for verse 4 is stated clearly in vs 3 – it is in the context of not having any gods before the One true God. Then vs 4 states not to make any graven image, then vs 5 notes that you are not to bow down to the image, nor to serve the image. The command to not make any graven image is not made in isolation, but in the context of not worshipping any god other than the One True God. So the over-riding concept of the passage is not worshipping anything other than God. To take the single matter of vs 4 and say that you cannot make a picture of anything AT ALL, is not really reasonable. The proper understanding of the passage is that you cannot make any image FOR THE PURPOSE OF WORSHIPPING IT. What about the other passage then? Deu 4:14-19 (14) And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it. (15) Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire: (16) Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, (17) The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, (18) The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: (19) And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. There is no doubt that vss. 16 – 18 warn against making any graven image or similitude of any figure, and there is no doubt that the list includes men and women, beasts, birds, critters, fish, and vs 19 even includes the sun, moon, and stars. But again, this is not in isolation. This is NOT a strict warning against simply making pictures of things. Vs 15 points out that there was no similitude when God called Moses to the mount to get the Law from God. Interesting isn’t it that the very passage God refers to in this passage, is the very situation where the people had no image of God presented to them, but they decided to make a bull to worship…. The very time that God directs them that they shouldn’t make a graven image, he points to a time when they did exactly that as a nation. They made something TO WORSHIP instead of worshipping God. By referencing that event, God is setting the context of the teaching in Deuteronomy 4:16-19. It is about making something to worship, not simply about making a picture of something. And vs 19 closes off the context of this passage. (19) And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven. Notice here that after we have a list of all the things that images SHOULDN’T be made of, the last verse of this section – which includes the portion about the sun, moon, and stars – actually also includes the detail of the command. Right in the middle of that last verse it says “shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them,”. This is the key to this whole passage. It is not about the simple making of a picture or even a sculpture of something – it is about the possibility of being driven to worship that image. The context of these two passages is actually about the worship of images, similitudes, and representations of creatures, but it is NOT about the simple making of such images. It is about the purpose and use of these images. For decoration, for enjoyment, is fine; for worship is not OK. So, the context of the passages indicates that the simple making of pictures or even sculptures is not really a problem, as long as there is no way it can become a thing of worship. This then, brings us to the second reason why I don’t accept that it is wrong to make any picture of any creature for any reason: God actually commanded people to make images of creatures at different times – NEVER to be worshipped by the way. In certain circumstances God commanded his people to make images of created things. Exo 25:17-22 (17) And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof. (18) And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat. (19) And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof. (20) And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be. (21) And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee. (22) And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel. And we will note that this is for the place that the Lord Himself would meet with the high priest, and before the priest went into this place, he had to prepare himself and wash himself and sacrifice for his own sins before he could enter. If any image of any created things was sinful, then there is NO WAY that the Lord would have commanded the people to make such a thing for the place where He would meet man’s representative. That one instance is pretty much a slam dunk against this teaching, but there is more. In the making of the robes that the High Priest was to wear when entering the Holy of Holies to meet the Lord therein, part of the garment was to place bells on the hem of the garment, but also Pomegranates. Exo 28:31-35 (31) And thou shalt make the robe of the ephod all of blue. (32) And there shall be an hole in the top of it, in the midst thereof: it shall have a binding of woven work round about the hole of it, as it were the hole of an habergeon, that it be not rent. (33) And beneath upon the hem of it thou shalt make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the hem thereof; and bells of gold between them round about: (34) A golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the hem of the robe round about. (35) And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the LORD, and when he cometh out, that he die not. Again, if it was sinful to make any image or representation of any created thing (In this case a pomegranate), then why does God expressly command that they would do so for the garment designed for the High Priest to wear? So we have two separate instances of God commanding the creation of sculptures of created things to be present when God met with the High Priest. God would not command something sinful to be present when He was coming to a place. When Solomon built the Temple, he made it with Cherubim in the Holy Place, and with carvings on the walls and doors. 1Ki 6:23-35 (23) And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high. (24) And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits. (25) And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size. (26) The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub. (27) And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house. (28) And he overlaid the cherubims with gold. (29) And he carved all the walls of the house round about with carved figures of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without. (30) And the floor of the house he overlaid with gold, within and without. (31) And for the entering of the oracle he made doors of olive tree: the lintel and side posts were a fifth part of the wall. (32) The two doors also were of olive tree; and he carved upon them carvings of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold, and spread gold upon the cherubims, and upon the palm trees. (33) So also made he for the door of the temple posts of olive tree, a fourth part of the wall. (34) And the two doors were of fir tree: the two leaves of the one door were folding, and the two leaves of the other door were folding. (35) And he carved thereon cherubims and palm trees and open flowers: and covered them with gold fitted upon the carved work. And Solomon also had pillars other items made for the Temple court: 1Ki 7:13-29 (13) And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. (14) He was a widow's son of the tribe of Naphtali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass: and he was filled with wisdom, and understanding, and cunning to work all works in brass. And he came to king Solomon, and wrought all his work. (15) For he cast two pillars of brass, of eighteen cubits high apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did compass either of them about. (16) And he made two chapiters of molten brass, to set upon the tops of the pillars: the height of the one chapiter was five cubits, and the height of the other chapiter was five cubits: (17) And nets of checker work, and wreaths of chain work, for the chapiters which were upon the top of the pillars; seven for the one chapiter, and seven for the other chapiter. (18) And he made the pillars, and two rows round about upon the one network, to cover the chapiters that were upon the top, with pomegranates: and so did he for the other chapiter. (19) And the chapiters that were upon the top of the pillars were of lily work in the porch, four cubits. (20) And the chapiters upon the two pillars had pomegranates also above, over against the belly which was by the network: and the pomegranates were two hundred in rows round about upon the other chapiter. (21) And he set up the pillars in the porch of the temple: and he set up the right pillar, and called the name thereof Jachin: and he set up the left pillar, and called the name thereof Boaz. (22) And upon the top of the pillars was lily work: so was the work of the pillars finished. (23) And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. (24) And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast. (25) It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. (26) And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths. (27) And he made ten bases of brass; four cubits was the length of one base, and four cubits the breadth thereof, and three cubits the height of it. (28) And the work of the bases was on this manner: they had borders, and the borders were between the ledges: (29) And on the borders that were between the ledges were lions, oxen, and cherubims: and upon the ledges there was a base above: and beneath the lions and oxen were certain additions made of thin work. Oxen, Cherubims, Lions, Pomegranates, Lillies. And what did God think of all of these creatures depicted with such skill and with such beauty? 1Ki 8:10-11 (10) And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, (11) So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD. The Lord would not have filled the house with His glory if it was being sinfully defiled by such images. We can only assume that God was not displeased with such representations of His creation. A final example, and one which displays the reality of the command in Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 4:16-18 is found in Numbers 21. Num 21:5-8 (5) And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. (6) And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. (7) Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. (8) And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. It says specifically here that the Lord told Moses to make this sculpture of a fiery serpent. Of course many years later the Lord would use this as a pointer to His own death and resurrection, but it seems as though the people kept this serpent around for many years after the judgement of these fiery serpents was over. We read in 2 Kings 18 that Hezekiah had to deal with this many years later. 2Ki 18:1-4 (1) Now it came to pass in the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, that Hezekiah the son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. (2) Twenty and five years old was he when he began to reign; and he reigned twenty and nine years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Abi, the daughter of Zachariah. (3) And he did that which was right in the sight of the LORD, according to all that David his father did. (4) He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. Hezekiah was the 14th King from David (I think), and of course after Moses there was Joshua, and then the Judges, then Saul, and then David, so we are talking a fair number of years between the making of this serpent by God’s command and the time of Hezekiah, but what is the reason for King Hezekiah destroying this image which had lasted for how many hundred and something years? “In those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it:….” It was destroyed because the people had begun to worship it. All through the time of Moses, and Joshua, and the Judges, and how many Kings it was not a problem – in fact it was reminder of how great God was. But when the people began to worship it, it was time to destroy it. And Hezekiah says of it “It is Nehushtan”, which literally means “Something made of copper”. Hezekiah said to them “It is just a piece of metal, not something to be worshipped.” So, by context, the initial passages are talking about the worship of pictures, images, and representations, not about the simple making of such things. By example, we see that God actually commanded the making of such images (NOT TO BE WORSHIPPED) on at least two occasions, and certainly accepted the making of the images throughout Solomon’s Temple, as shown by His willingness to dwell in the Temple. Far from saying that men should not make images and pictures of God’s creation, God commanded or condoned the making of such images. What is NOT ACCEPTABLE is the worshipping and veneration of such images. In my research I could not find this teaching among any group. I am told that some parts of the Mennonite and Amish groups hold to this, but of course there is going to be little record of such “On-line” as both these groups tend to stay away from technology. This IS a teaching from Islam however. http://www.justaskislam.com/184/pictures-halal-or-haram/ This is a full article about Islam and their teaching regarding this issue, which is basically that no image of any created thing should be made at all. I DO NOT SUGGEST that you go to the website, unless you are seriously interested in what they have to say - it basically says no images whatsoever. There is simply no reason to go there if you are a Christian, except to check that I have represented it correctly.
  25. 1 point
    The "I" in IFB stands for Independent. As such, each church is free to adopt their own set of rules. IFB is not a denomination, convention, or association, so there is no "one rule applies to all" position among Independent Baptist Churches.
  26. 1 point
    IFB churches are independent. They hold to clear cut provable doctrines from the Bible so that would be their regulating authority. Aside from pastors discussing doctrine and having simulare views there really is no set document.
  27. 1 point
    It really depends on each individual church as to how far their policy on it goes into regulating Divorce and remarriage. Most all agree its wrong to do except in extreme or limited circumstances.
  28. 1 point
    So, since the church I was saved in no longer exist then, according to those folks, I don't have to give anything to anybody (does this include my electric bill?)
  29. 1 point
    Jerry

    He who letteth

    A chariot is a horse drawn vehicle, not a ship.
  30. 1 point
    Jerry

    He who letteth

    What prophet? One in the Bible? If so, you are referring to Elijah in 2 Kings 2:11. It was no ship of any kind - it was a chariot of fire pulled by horses of fire.
  31. 1 point
    DaveW

    No pictures of any created thing?

    No argument there in any way shape or form, but that is not the question. (It is a valuable addition to the thread though.) I am writing a "Paper" to give to those who are actually speaking with this guy (it is all a bit second hand, and a rather complex situation....) so that they can read it and use the information as it seems best to them. It does include such references as those you mention NoNics. It still has me foxed where this guy has come across it. He has been known to chase internet theologians from time to time, so I assumed he had caught someone on it and liked the sound of it, but I cannot find any references apart from Islam, and I know he knows Islam is not right...…. I am beginning to think that he has made this one himself...…. unless he has come across some Amish teaching as mentioned above????? Since no one has flashed it as something they know of, I guess it will come down to continued searching. I would like to know where he has got it so that I can check and see what else may be following..... For now, this one is easily answered with Bible: 9 references should be enough to show that the context is not "explaining away", but explaining properly...…. I actually was really pleased when I came across this passage in looking at the subject: Deu 4:10-12 (10) Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. (11) And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. (12) And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. This is just prior to one of the passages that this guy is wrapped up in, and of course it notes specifically that they "saw no similitude" - even God did not represent Himself with any sort of Image. Hadn't noticed that until I read this passage with this particular subject on my mind. I "knew it" I just hadn't noticed it...….. if that makes sense...…?
  32. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    Whats for Supper...

    I love chicken also, but never in place of seafood. My ancestral roots are tied to the sea and seafood. Born in Gloucester Mass., oldest fishing port in the U.S.
  33. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    Whats for Supper...

    Not only Cajun, but CHICKEN! LOL - that just makes our son shake his head every time. Going to a SEAFOOD place and ordering FOWL. heheheh It's like going to a steak place and ordering hamburger (which I do...). Today my mom and I went to lunch while we waited for her brakes to be fixed. I had fish and "chips" - house made potato chips, warm from the deep fryer. There was enough to bring home for my supper tonight. Randy wanted me to pick him up a rotisserie chicken while I was out, so that's what he'll be having. Probably the whole thing. Can you tell we like chicken? bahaha!
  34. 1 point
    OLD fashioned preacher

    Major changes

    It going (and going and going). 15months in - our target departure date is approaching quickly (before the end of 2020) and our support level is rising at the speed of growing stalagmites. But the Lord has been wonderful.
  35. 1 point
    Alan

    Matt McMillen Ministries

    From what I have tried to learn on the internet, Matt McMillen ministries is mostly writing devotional books. Here is the link: https://mattmcmillenministries.com/about/ I read several of his devotions. From what I can gather is that he is contemporary in his writings. On one devotion, he believed heaven was "in us" but was hesitant to say it was a place; but it was a place where God dwells. In the same devotion, for the unsaved, they did not have heaven, but, Matt did not mention a place called hell, or even mention hell. The devotions that I read were somewhat confusing as if he did not want to offend anybody. There was no doctrinal statement that I could find. As far as his background was concerned. Matt McMillen's background was also confusing. Evidently, I cannot say positively, he graduated from a Southern Baptist University in Texas, was a "Student pastor" at "FiveStone Community Church" in Garland, Texas. "FiveStone Community Church is a hard-core contemporary church, again, with no doctrinal statement. In my estimation, he is in the religious book selling business trying to make a profit from anybody who goes to any church.
  36. 1 point
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    What a beautiful field of flowers! I have had a few cactus plants for about six-ish years now, usually they have a few blooms on them once in awhile. However, this month one of them has the most blooms I've ever seen! Eight flowers, one is smaller and beneath the larger ones. Interestingly, the blooms close up at night and open during the day.
  37. 1 point
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    Just thought I'd show some of the natural beauty of a field of flowers in a field near Hua Lien, Taiwan. Mrs. Alan and her Chinese friend, Julie. The large sign reads in English, "Peace in the Year of the Rabbit."
  38. 1 point
    DaveW

    "Good" Friday?

    Yes but you clearly denote it as: Christians don't have a "passover week of unleavened bread". It is not accurate. It is not a true statement. It is a confusing statement. It in no way relates anything official in Christianity. Christians and nowhere commanded to keep Passover nor the feast of unleavened bread. They are not Christian memorials, they are Jewish memorials.
  39. 1 point
    *Light*

    Condemned Already

    Hello Family of God, There will always be a debate as to whether a Genuine Believer can stop believing, or if someone who DOES NOT believe IN THEIR HEART can come to believe at some point in their life. The Bible makes it VERY CLEAR that there is Genuine Belief that can never fall away from TRUE FAITH, and a false belief or unbelief that stems from a hardened heart that will NEVER be persuaded of the Gospel Message and Salvation by Grace through TRUE FAITH. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is [CONDEMNED ALREADY], because he hath [NOT BELIEVED] in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:16-18) The unbeliever is condemned ALREADY because he "hath not believed" (Grk. hoti me pepisteuken) in the name of the Only Begotten Son of God and His Propitiation for our sins. The Greek verb "believed" is in the [perfect tense], which denotes an action of permanency on the one performing the action; this is the irrevocable and unchanging "heart attitude" and sinful action of the unregenerate, or even as a false convert (Matt. 15:24-30; Rom. 8:9; 2 Cor. 5:17; Gal. 5:17,22-23; 1 Jn. 2:5,16,19). It is [permanent] because this unbeliever is ALREADY CONDEMNED (before he/she actually gets sent there) to an Eternal Hell and Lake of Fire according to Jesus's own words, and the Scripture clearly teaches that Eternal Punishment is just that -- ETERNAL, and cannot be escaped once the sentence is given by God Himself and Christ. There is NO denying what the Word of God clearly teaches as shown. "But and [IF THAT EVIL SERVANT SHALL SAY IN HIS HEART], My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 24:48-51) The parable of the faithful and unfaithful servant gives an illustration of someone who "professes" Jesus as Lord, but in [HIS HEART] reveals an unbelieving attitude that will not be persuaded from that point on; the context also reveals that this servant is [EVIL], and his actions further prove this point (e.g., "he beat his fellow slaves, and he eats and drinks with the drunken"). You either TRULY believe in the Name of the Son of God and the Gospel message, or you DON'T; there is no straddling the fence on this most important issue (cf. Matt. 5:37; Jn. 5:24; 6:51; 14:21; Heb. 11:1; Rev. 21:8). "Ye are of [your FATHER the devil], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not." (John 8:44-45) When someone is of their "father", it is implied that they have the SAME "nature" as him, and we see Jesus condemning the Pharisees as having the heart attitude of Satan (i.e., "unrepentant, liars, accusatory, etc."). It is crystal clear that Satan will NEVER repent, and even after being imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 1,000 years, he is more angrier than ever before -- this is NOT remedial (Rev. 20:1-3;7-10). And if someone has the same nature as their Father (e.g., "the devil"), there's no chance in hell that they will ever repent, and granting them "more time" will not cause them to change their minds. The rich man in the parable of the rich man and the beggar did NOT repent, and he had the audacity to ask if Lazarus can cool off his tongue even after all the torment and neglect the rich man had toward him while alive on Earth. "Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because [THEY REPENTED NOT]: Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes." (Matthew 11:20-21) "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet [REPENTED NOT] of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:" (Revelation 9:20) "And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and [THEY REPENTED NOT] to give him glory." (Revelation 16:9) There will come a point in time where one will TRULY Believe in the Gospel Message and be saved, or PERMANENTLY reject it (i.e., "in their hearts"), and no amount of preaching can persuade them otherwise. There is the Eschatological Wrath of God poured out in the Great Tribulation, and there is the Wrath of God in Hell to those who will refuse to repent and turn to God and Christ for the Free Gift of Salvation; and in BOTH cases, these [children] of Satan (cf. Jn. 8:44-45; Col. 3:6) will NOT repent, even when God's Wrath is poured out upon them. This is why the Scriptures warn those who hear the voice of God tugging on their hearts NOT to harden their hearts, because tomorrow is not promised to anyone, and no one should lose this opportunity while there is still chance to avoid Hell and the Eternal Lake of Fire (Matt. 23:33; Jn. 1:23; Rom. 2:5; 2 Cor. 6:12; Eph. 4:18; Heb. 3:7-19; Jas. 4:14). God Bless!
  40. 1 point
    *Light*

    Condemned Already

    I forgot to add: One might beg the question why Tyre and Sidon, or Sodom will not be excusable on Judgment Day if they were not shown the same degree of miracles that were demonstrated and performed in the sight of the unrepentant cities during the time of Jesus' earthly ministry. Scripture says that unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required; anything beyond what God chooses to "reveal" to each man or women would nullify the requirement of "saving faith" (Lk. 12:48). Ignorance of the Truth is not an excuse to justify unbelief, and the greater extent of available information given to the unsaved, the greater the severity and degree of the punishment when retribution is given at the Great White Throne when the "dead" are judged according to the Righteousness of God and Christ (Matt. 10:15; 1:22,24; Mk. 6:11; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:29; Rev. 20:11-15).
  41. 1 point
    swathdiver

    Archaisms in the KJV.

    Show me another perfect, inerrant bible in the English.
  42. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    I took this picture with my cell phone. It was cloudy today, a bit. The mountains around here are beautiful, no matter if the sun is shining or not.
  43. 1 point
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    A curious crab!
  44. 1 point
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    Invicta, Thanks for the photo. The English, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland countryside are all beautiful! Alan
  45. 1 point
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    There are wild monkeys living in the mountains, and occasionally they come out of the mountains and I see them walking along telephone wires. This is a photo of a monkey I took recently. This is a picture of a monkey from a few years ago:
  46. 1 point
    DaveW

    The beauty of creation

    I have some great kids. They sent my wife and I for a short break 'down south' to a town on the south coast called Denmark. The view is to the Southern Ocean.
  47. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    The beauty of creation

    Beautiful, Rebecca! Definitely something for which getting up early is worthy! These leaves are from our maple leaves. My dad planted 6 maple trees when he cleared the land here. He wanted to use the leaves to fertilize the garden through the winter. There is one red maple. The other 5 are all green during the spring/summer. There aren't loads of leaves on the ground, but there are leaves all over - and the size of the leaves from the non-red maples is unbelievable! This red leaf is about the size of a man's hand. The other one...! Maybe a sasquatch hand? LOL (for those who don't know - I'm kidding about the sasquatch...I think...snicker ). T
  48. 1 point
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    Here are a few more sunrises, from 2013. I don't get up that early anymore, but I should, the beauty is definitely worth it.
  49. 1 point
    Alan

    The beauty of creation

    Rebecca, Glad to hear that you're getting more photos on your computer. We are looking forward to more of your photos !!!! Alan
  50. 1 point
    Donald... I forwarded your post to Bro. Cloud (the author of the book) and here is his reply: ---------------------------- A TRUE BELIEVER IS A DISCIPLE OF CHRIST The following is excerpted from THE DISCIPLING CHURCH: THE CHURCH THAT WILLS STAND UNTIL CHRIST COMES, available from www.wayoflife.org - The church we see in the New Testament is a church of disciples. It is a disciplined, discipling environment. A New Testament church is not something to attend. It is a spiritual entity where disciples of Christ are trained, encouraged, and protected. New Testament discipleship is not merely a course in Christian fundamentals; it is the essence of the true Christian life. The entire church should be geared to producing and training disciples of Jesus Christ. A pastor friend said that at a youth camp some years ago, he asked the youth to list words that God uses to describe those who are saved. He said, “We came up with something like fifty in total, and then I pointed out to them that they had forgotten the most used word, which is ‘disciple.’” Indeed, the most common name for a New Testament believer is “disciple” or “methetes” in Greek. The term “believer” appears two times (Acts 5:14; 1 Ti. 4:12); “Christian” appears three times (Acts 11:16; 26:28; 1 Pe. 4:16); “saint” appears 62 times; “brethren” appears about 135 times; but “disciple” (referring to a disciple of Christ) appears about 268 times. Scripturally speaking, a New Testament believer and a disciple are one and the same. Jesus Christ defined discipleship in very serious terms. Consider John 8 and John 15. “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31). In John 8:31, Christ said the “disciple indeed” is one who continues in His Word. The Lord was addressing Jews who believed on Him but not in a saving way. See John 2:23-24. They were believing in Jesus as a miracle worker, as a great prophet, as a political messiah, but they were not acknowledging their personal sinfulness and owning Him as their Lord and Saviour. A believing in God’s Word, a love for God’s Word, a continuing in God’s Word, a passion for God’s Word is the clearest evidence of salvation and true discipleship. “He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God” (John 8:47). “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27). A disciple’s heart burns within him at God’s Word (Lu. 24:31). Later, the crowds that had “believed” on Jesus turned away from Him (John 6:66). They turned away because they did not receive His Word (Joh. 6:64), in contrast to Christ’s true disciples. “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God” (John 6:66-69). In John 15, Christ again identified the true believer as a disciple. “Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples” (Joh. 15:8). Christ likens the believer to a branch in the vine. Christ is the vine and the believer is a branch. Fruit bearing is the evidence of the true believer. It is not possible for a branch to be attached to the vine and not share in the life of the vine. If someone seems to be a branch of Christ but does not bear fruit, he is taken away (Joh. 15:2, 6). This refers to the professor who is not a possessor (Titus 1:16). The true believer bears fruit and is pruned to bring forth more fruit (Joh. 15:2). This describes God’s sanctifying and chastening work in the believer’s life. This describes the true believer and the true disciple as one and the same. Salvation and discipleship are two different things, but they are closely associated and not so sharply divided as is commonly taught today. Saving faith produces discipleship. Discipleship is the evidence of saving faith. The New Testament associates saving faith with following and obeying Christ in an intimate way. Charles Wesley got this right in the beautiful hymn “And Can It Be,” which was probably his personal testimony of salvation: Long my imprison’d spirit lay, Fast bound in sin and nature’s night: Thine eye diffused a quickening ray; I woke; the dungeon flamed with light; My chains fell off, my heart was free, I ROSE, WENT FORTH, AND FOLLOW’D THEE. To follow Christ is intimately connected with salvation. Following is not salvation, but it is the sure product of salvation. This is crystal clear in Christ’s words in John 10:27: “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.” This is clear in Ephesians, 2:8-10. It is common to quote verses 8-9 when sharing the gospel, but those verses cannot be divorced from verse 10. Verses 8-9 is salvation, and verse 10 is the evidence and product of salvation. The individual who has the reality of verses 8-9 will have the reality of verse 10, as well. This is true salvation as taught in the Bible. There is no example in the New Testament of a true believer who is not also a disciple of Christ. In every case of the true believer, there is a dramatic change so that the individual becomes a follower and disciple of Christ.
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