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  1. Christian Charity given willingly and directly to noble causes is not the same as compulsory giving to the government who then chooses for you where and how money is spent. Jesus asks you to do it directly and willingly. The politician seeks forced payment, forces you to give them your money while promising to only give some of it to the poor and even then to things which are appalling and poorly managed, then many squander what you give them to the point there is never enough for the original cause, so then demands more money which they then take by force from you. NOT. THE. SAME.
    5 points
  2. The government was specifically designated by God "for the punishment of evil doers and the praise of them that do well." We could also extrapolate a responsibility for national security in that. Anything beyond that is out of scope. 1. Christians are told to support the poor and needy. (This is an individual responsibility, and not given to the government.) 2. "If a man does not work, neither shall he eat." (this implies that programs that give money to those who WON'T work, rather than CAN'T work, are in violation of God's principles). I feel like conservative government aid prog
    4 points
  3. Actually, Biblical Liberality, as I have presented above, is the position that EMPHASIZES PERSONAL responsibility, because it emphasizes my own responsibility to take out of my own pocket in order to give from my own heart of my own material possession unto another in need. Indeed, the Biblical command of Biblical Liberality is so PERSONAL that if I do not personally give of my own personal possession to help those in need, I personally commit a sin in the sight of the Lord my God, and will personally be held accountable by Him. Governmental liberalism, however, removes personal responsibili
    4 points
  4. Governmental Liberalism - The government putting its hand in your pocket to forcibly take your wealth for distribution to those whom they deem the worthy "poor" (after pocketing some themselves). Biblical Liberality - You putting your own hand in your pocket to willingly and lovingly take your wealth for distribution to those whom the Holy Spirit directs you as the "poor and needy" (not the lazy and immoral). Our Lord Jesus Christ and God's Holy Word command Biblical Liberality, but do NOT support governmental liberalism. Those who use the commands of Biblical Liberality as a defens
    4 points
  5. Biblically, there is a distinction between those who are poor because they CANNOT from those who are lazy and WILL NOT. In order to be strictly Biblical, we must develop an understanding and behavior that includes both sides of the distinction.
    3 points
  6. Not surprised one bit at all. The local and State governments, almost all Democratic controlled, have discovered that they can use a health scare to bypass the Constitution of the United States, take away our freedoms, shut down our businesses, and close down the churches. When this health issue first arose folks have been trying to warn the churches that the true issue is to control the churches or shut them down.
    3 points
  7. While we are not a church plant, we are in an area of very limited numbers. When I began the finances were taken care of by a lady who was very good with it. However they left, due to age, wanting to live near family, so the money was taken over by my wife and I, as we are quite small, and most of the people we deal with in our church have no ability to see to their own finances, much less the church's. As you probably agree, it is not a position I prefer to be in, BUT, since my wife and I, along with three people who aren't even part of our church anymore, are really the only ones who ever gi
    3 points
  8. When a younger IFB, (I became one in my 20's while in the Navy), I was, of course, brought up in the idea that the tithe was unquestionable, and absolute. I never bothered to question it-of course, I was learning so much new, but didn't do a lot of searching at the time. It wasn't until much later that my father gave me some of his old Bible college papers he had written, since I was preparing to become a pastor, and one the things he wrote was why He believed the tithe was not for today. I read it once and kind of poo-pooed it, but it stuck in my mind and I began to study it out and cam
    3 points
  9. Bill, I hope you are old enough to understand that socialism is the precursor to communism. No more reply to you, so you may as well stop contacting me. Communism 'the form of government' not some obscure situation you may have personally encountered is godless. People living under communism who desire Christianity want to leave their country for that reason. I reject your left wing ideas out of hand. You on the other hand, although deceived, may very well be a nice guy. P.S. I voted for Donald Trump and Mike Pence already.
    2 points
  10. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit TO - the believers at Thessalonica. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit ABOUT - "ANY" who "would not work." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 -- "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if ANY would not work, neither should he eat."
    2 points
  11. This also is a misrepresentation of my position, for my position presents the need to balance ALL of God's teaching on the matter. Consider the following: Also consider: Now, the "entire body of principles in God's Word" on this matter would include the following studies: 1. The responsibility to give in support of church leadership and the Lord's work. 2. The responsibility to help fellow believers in material need. 3. The responsibility to help the Lord's Jewish brethren in material need. 4. The responsibility to help the general poor and needy. 5. The r
    2 points
  12. Matthew 25:31-46 -- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I w
    2 points
  13. You are correct. Nothing in God's Word directly prohibits a government program from engaging in charitable giving unto the poor and needy, neither does anything in God's Word command the employment of such a government program. As such, it would indeed be wrong for me to oppose a government program of charity (depending on how it was administered); just as it would be wrong for you to condemn me if I did not give through that government program of charity. Thus IF governmental liberalism was simply a government program of charity, I would not express direct opposition against it (depending
    2 points
  14. You clearly don’t understand the role of government. If we followed your logic, should the government also preach the Gospel? After all individual believers are commanded to preach the Gospel. Do you think the government should take peoples tax dollars and pay ministers to preach the Gospel? If you say no then your thinking process is contradictory. You don’t seem to understand that God has different commands and requirements for individuals and for different institutions such as the Church, the Home, and Civil Government.
    2 points
  15. Maybe lazy conservatives and Christians will go out and vote in ALL elections now. They took over the State Assembly here in Virginia because Republicans did not show up to vote (some didn't even know elections were going on) while Bloomberg was literally busing Democrat voters to the polls.
    2 points
  16. We can't allow a person's description of their giving to become a division between brothers. It has to end, eternity is a long time and our Lord won't allow disputes in heaven. So, it is best, I believe to "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory;" Philippians 2:1-5... Amen?
    2 points
  17. Brethren, I purposely have not written in this thread as I generally do not tell the saints how or what to give and I did not want to offend anyone here on Online Baptist concerning giving. I do concentrate on the motive and the willingness to serve the Lord in all aspects (including giving). I have previously given my thoughts on this matter, giving, on the following devotion to anybody who wants to know how I feel. The devotion is how I explain giving at our church. You will notice that I handle it a little differently than usual. Alan
    2 points
  18. I JUST taught on fasting last Sunday night! It isn't a terribly popular subject, but it is such an important thing. It has many benefits to it, and God promises that those who fast in secret, God will reward openly!
    2 points
  19. To answer the original question of should Christians tithe during the corona virus? YES!!! I understand times are tough, but even when I was unemployed, I still gave what I believe God was telling me to give. Follow God's leading, He'll never leave nor forsake you.
    2 points
  20. Well, I do not believe tithing is a NT principle in the first place, but giving definitely is, so I will approach from that perspective: As far as, should Christians keep giving? Absolutely! As we are prospered, so we ought to give to God's work. Of course, those out of work, on furloughs, laid-off, etc, well, see to your family first; many are out of work so they cannot be expected to continue. Church expenses should be a bit down for buildings, in power usage and without normal activities, but I also know utility companies and mortgage companies are being told to give breaks during this
    2 points
  21. Quote: “We are Great Commission Baptists.” Right; anything but Independent Baptist! There simply is no biblical justification for The Southern Baptist Convention, or any other form of association. The biblical example for a New testament Church is, Independent, Local, Visible, Autonomous.
    1 point
  22. Words are vehicles to convey thought; never more important than when we deal with Scripture. Regarding the last post that Bro. Scott made; the Scripture says what it says; nothing more and certainly nothing less. Any disagreement with what it says must be taken up with the author of the Scripture.
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  23. Actually, it is best to seek obedience unto God's Holy Word in ALL matters, both in helping the genuine needy, as well as in confronting the unworthy lazy. The precepts and principles of God's Holy Word are not to be compromised either on the right hand or on the left. When God's Word states -- "If any WOULD NOT work, NEITHER SHOULD he eat," God's Word is providing a clear instruction concerning our behavior toward the unworthy lazy. Any individual, group, or program that does not seek a legitimate application of this Biblical principle in its giving policies toward the poor and need is not
    1 point
  24. 2 Thessalonians 3:10............ if any would not work, neither should he eat................
    1 point
  25. Now I have to wonder if you have even been paying attention throughout our discussion in this thread, for I have ALREADY defined Biblical liberality in my previous postings. In my first posting within this thread discussion, I included the following: In my second posting within this thread discussion, I included the following: In my third posting within this thread discussion, I included the following:
    1 point
  26. Are you asking what values of governmental liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of doctrinal liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of Biblical liberality would I support? Or are you asking what values of something "liberal" that I have not listed would I support?
    1 point
  27. I don't remember reading where Jesus taught any of the principles of socialism or those common to liberalism. I do remember the Bibles teaching about if a man does not work he should not eat? and about how murdering children is wrong. I also never see where Jesus calls for censorship of viewpoints one disagrees with. nor do I see Jesus ever advocating forced redistribution of wealth by the government. Socialism is absolutely not what Jesus taught.
    1 point
  28. Yes, but in my opinion only if they have no idea what the Dems of today represent or they have no idea what the bible teaches outside of a few Sermon on the Mount verses. Many people, particularly older folks, still think the Democrat party is the party of FDR or John Kennedy. Those days are long gone.
    1 point
  29. This is Pastor Trieber's update from this morning: Newsom, CA's governor, said this virus was the opportunity to change society (not his exact words, but his meaning). He is proving it, as is our governor and some others.
    1 point
  30. Bill, I am not sure what you are getting at in response to my post. My text was simply a personal observation regarding community people who probably were not members of that church. My quoted Scripture was my own agreement with Scripture concerning church services. I was not pointing to "anti-social distancing" or any of that other stuff. My church observes social distancing and makes provision for it, it also provides masks for those who want them. Personally, I only have a problem with government trying to close, or even demolish a church building because its members want to conti
    1 point
  31. You can be sure that the "concerned community members" would not have attended under any circumstances. Hebrews 10:25 (KJV) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    1 point
  32. Sorry to have you leave. I do hope you return but if not, please know, I have enjoyed reading your perspectives on various things on the forum, even if we have differed over a few things. You will be missed by many here and we wish the same blessings for you.
    1 point
  33. I was unemployed but still had some income coming in so I gave. I understand and sort of agree with your point. With us being a church plant, I have no choice but to take care of the finances (hopefully one day turn it over to someone). I will say this, those that don't give take up a good majority of my time outside of the pulpit. For me, I'm not going decide where my time/energy goes based on who or how much one gives.
    1 point
  34. I've always taught a freewill tithe. The New Testament church is structured after the Melchizedek priesthood and Paul makes it clear that he has a right to be paid, as does other ministers of the Gospel. (1 Corinthians 9). If they are to be paid then our example to teach is the tithe but not of commandment or constraint but of a free will and cheerful heart. I've studied the tithe and Christian giving in depth at church as well, which can be found here for those interested in the freewill tithe of Christians: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPBnTVkjTpCIMXwSG6O5iqZUl3LCiqrGf
    1 point
  35. Nevermind. I'll let you and everyone off the hook. Don't worry about answering. We IFBs claim we only stick to God's word...and we do...until our man-made doctrines take priority over what God's word actually teaches and says. Have any of us actually studied the tithe, or have we just been satisfied to accept what we've been told? That sounds good, but it's not biblical concerning the tithe whatsoever. I'm sorry, but don't we want the truth of God's word instead of what we "consider"? Here's a question for everyone... Which takes priority...tithing or pro
    1 point
  36. Well, technically if you do tithe whenever you do have income, and have the desire to tithe even when you do not have income, then you are still tithing... I've also always considered the tithe more than just income but rather includes all that we have been blessed with. Time, talents, treasures, and our praises, etc
    1 point
  37. I believe the following reasons are why millennial's are leaving the Church: 1) The cost associated with being a follower of Christ is absent from Gospel presentation, easy-believism is promoted heavily in the Church today. Also, a lot of Pastors as well as Christians in general fail to confront sin while presenting the Gospel. When a person doesn't understand the cost of being a follower of Jesus as well as their sin, they don't feel the need to stay in Church. 2) The lack of discipleship in Churches. Jesus was very hands on and intentional in His discipleship and so were His apostl
    1 point
  38. Well now, you managed to push my button. No, it is not for the pastor to relegate the job to an evangelist to preach what he won't!!!!! If there is a topic or passage that a given evangelist does a better job of conveying Bible truth to folks than the pastor can, I don't have a problem with him getting a guest preacher for it. HOWEVER, if the pastor's is worried about being rebuked or voted out due to preaching Bible -- he needs to grow up, determine whether he is called of God to preach, and if so then preach because your final accountability is to God and His Word!!!!!!! NOT to give someone
    1 point
  39. Pretty much all (of the few) in our church are of the millennial persuasion, so I can speak a bit on this. I have, for instance, twin brothers, 28, who seem to love the church and the Lord, but tend to be in and out, for family events, occasionally getting caught up in a video game, working so any hours of overtime they sleep most of Sunday, spending the day working on their yard or truck. So there seems to be a certain ADHD, of sorts, that they are going so many directions they tend to just...forget. We find that often if we text and remind them of upcoming service, probably 90% of the t
    1 point
  40. I think we’re getting a bit off topic here, and the repentance reference will likely take it further off. Let’s keep this thread to the technology subject; if anyone would like to discuss repentance/doctrine or issues in churches, they are welcome to start new threads.
    1 point
  41. Family integrated churches don't have this problem, because the parents don't send their children off into rooms with strange adults. The definition of "strange" is anyone who is not your immediate family. If you don't have a youth pastor, he cannot molest your children. On top of that, churches are warming up to the sodomites, even putting them in children's ministries. Run out of that church as fast as you can.
    1 point
  42. There is plenty of hard preaching against Islam and false religions online from church services. Nobody get picketed for it. The only picketing comes from pastors preaching hard against the sodomites. Even then , it doesn't last long, and the sodomites go back to their filthy deeds and leave them alone. A friend of mine that moved away from a church that has been picketed for preaching against the sodomites online just had to quit the only IFB church within three hours of where they now live because he found out that the pastor was allowing a convicted child molester and sodomite attend
    1 point
  43. No one denies that things such as you outlined happen. it is then that you need to diligently search out a church home where you can agree with their doctrine and program. But speaking to the issue I presented, a sixty mile radius of you is not "most everything" or "the majority". That was the statement I was speaking to. I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.
    1 point
  44. In trying to find a Baptist church to attend and go soul winning from, I made the mistake of telling a pastor that I didn’t believe that the Jews were God’s chosen people, and that we are. He told me that I shouldn’t attend his church because that was their big “thing”. Their soul winning program was him doing door hangers once a month with his kids. I also asked him if he believed that you have to repent of your sins to be saved. He said that he believed so. I asked him if he could show me from the scriptures, and he could not. He tried to find something, but ultimately said that he wasn’t
    1 point
  45. I don't agree. How can Muslims believe if they cannot hear the gospel? Our pastor visits India rom time to time.and to get a visa he was not allowed to preach outside the church. However, unbeknown to him the church had rigged up large loudspeakers outside the church to broadcast his message. Preachers in that country face 6 months in jail for preaching outside the church but the go to jail and when the come out they preach outsie again and then do another 6 months. The church is to spread the word, not to keep it to members. Luke 9:26
    1 point
  46. Websites (or at least a Facebook page) are a requirement nowadays, I think. If I'm searching for a church to visit, I won't even consider any that I can't first look up their statement of faith and peruse their website. But the website needs to look like it was updated within the last 15 years!
    1 point
  47. My thoughts exactly. It's so sad/gross to see this happen so much.
    1 point
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