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  1. Christian Charity given willingly and directly to noble causes is not the same as compulsory giving to the government who then chooses for you where and how money is spent. Jesus asks you to do it directly and willingly. The politician seeks forced payment, forces you to give them your money while promising to only give some of it to the poor and even then to things which are appalling and poorly managed, then many squander what you give them to the point there is never enough for the original cause, so then demands more money which they then take by force from you. NOT. THE. SAME.
    6 points
  2. Governmental Liberalism - The government putting its hand in your pocket to forcibly take your wealth for distribution to those whom they deem the worthy "poor" (after pocketing some themselves). Biblical Liberality - You putting your own hand in your pocket to willingly and lovingly take your wealth for distribution to those whom the Holy Spirit directs you as the "poor and needy" (not the lazy and immoral). Our Lord Jesus Christ and God's Holy Word command Biblical Liberality, but do NOT support governmental liberalism. Those who use the commands of Biblical Liberality as a defense for governmental liberalism demonstrate their Biblical and spiritual ignorance. (By the way, I am pretty sure that Bouncing Bill is still not using the King James translation for his Bible quotations.)
    5 points
  3. The government was specifically designated by God "for the punishment of evil doers and the praise of them that do well." We could also extrapolate a responsibility for national security in that. Anything beyond that is out of scope. 1. Christians are told to support the poor and needy. (This is an individual responsibility, and not given to the government.) 2. "If a man does not work, neither shall he eat." (this implies that programs that give money to those who WON'T work, rather than CAN'T work, are in violation of God's principles). I feel like conservative government aid programs, that focus on private charity and demanding responsibility on the part of the recipients, are a better representation of Biblical principles than socialist ones.
    4 points
  4. Actually, Biblical Liberality, as I have presented above, is the position that EMPHASIZES PERSONAL responsibility, because it emphasizes my own responsibility to take out of my own pocket in order to give from my own heart of my own material possession unto another in need. Indeed, the Biblical command of Biblical Liberality is so PERSONAL that if I do not personally give of my own personal possession to help those in need, I personally commit a sin in the sight of the Lord my God, and will personally be held accountable by Him. Governmental liberalism, however, removes personal responsibility by forcibly removing an individual's material possession through taxes (so that the individual does not need to have any personal heart of compassion whatsoever at all), and by governmentally redistributing that material possession unto those whom the government deemed "worthy" (so that the individual does not have personal say in those to whom it is given, or any personal connection with those to whom it is given). In fact, in every passage or context that you have presented, the PERSONAL aspect of giving is precisely what is emphasized; whereas the governmental and its authority is completely absent. Matthew 19:21 -- "Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell [personally] that thou hast, and give [personally] to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Note: There is NO reference whatsoever at all unto governmental authority or programs in this command.) Proverbs 22:16 -- "He [personally] that oppresseth the poor to increase his riches, and he [personally] that giveth to the rich, shall surely come to want." (Note: Again there is NO reference whatsoever at all unto governmental authority or programs in this warning. On the other hand, if you feel that governmental authority or programs is implied within this warning, do you also feel that if the government takes your material wealth through taxes and gives it to the rich, that you yourself with then "come to want"? You do realize that many liberal politicians in DC are rich, right? Making a goodly bit more than my own $30,000 per year.) Matthew 25:31-46 -- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye [personally] gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye [personally] gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye [personally] took me in: naked, and ye [personally] clothed me: I was sick, and ye [personally] visited me: I was in prison, and ye [personally] came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye [personally] have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren [note that the specific recipients here are not just any poor and needy, but are specifically the Lord's own BRETHREN], ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Note: Yet again there is NO reference whatsoever at all unto governmental authority or programs in this account.) Thus I repeat:
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  5. Not surprised one bit at all. The local and State governments, almost all Democratic controlled, have discovered that they can use a health scare to bypass the Constitution of the United States, take away our freedoms, shut down our businesses, and close down the churches. When this health issue first arose folks have been trying to warn the churches that the true issue is to control the churches or shut them down.
    4 points
  6. This church is about 30 minutes from us. It is the church that had its pastor jailed for 5 weeks because he couldn’t agree to bail conditions that violated his conscience (ironically, the consequences for his charges would have merited only fines, not imprisonment). Basically, the church chose not to comply with the unscriptural demands of the health services to limit attendance to 15% capacity (which practically means no physical distancing), and they refuse to enforce masking (because it is a personal health decision). The last few weeks, they have had capacity crowds, with more listening from outside. The police came at dawn and put 3 layers of fencing around the building. Multiple RCMP officers and private security are on site 24 hours to keep anyone approaching the building. Pray for them - and for us! My church is one of about 20 in Alberta that have (very publicly) stated they are open for all who want to attend - no capacity limits. There are more that think the same, but they’re staying under the radar so far (as we were doing for several months). Our church had 50 visitors on Easter Sunday because we were open (for context, our core group through Covid was 60-80). Some came from churches who wouldn’t let them in the doors without a mask, despite legitimate medical issues. Others are coming because they feel convicted by God to meet together together with his people again, and their churches are fully virtual. We have been reported twice by local snitches, once for our Easter Sunday morning service, and we imminently expect a visit from health inspectors and the RCMP. It’s unreal, you know. Our pastor talked to us at Bible study about what steps we would be taking when (not if) police came to building. I can’t believe we actually had that conversation in Canada - in North America. As treasurer, I’ve taken steps to ensure continuity of the office operations should we be locked out of the building. Today I moved a batch of extra hymnals offsite so we’ll have them if we lose access. I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m scared every time I go to church on Sunday. Churches are so split over this issue. Many churches believe GraceLife should be following the government, period. Others, like us, believe that God did not grant the government authority over how the church worships, and we furthermore feel that they have not proven the necessity of these rules that override our charter freedoms of religion, assembly, and association. Every time a Covid case comes to court in Alberta, the charges are dropped by the Crown as soon as they are requested to provide the burden of proof (to prove that the restrictions are warranted by circumstances significant that enough to override our Charter of Rights). Many congregations are split over this issue. The funny thing is that many unbelievers are standing up in support of the churches for this. They see the larger implications of the government’s actions. Many who haven’t been in church for years say they will visit GraceLife in support! Have to say that the Reformed churches are putting us to shame here. I don’t agree with their doctrine, but their belief in the sovereignty of God has them leading the charge in standing up against these tyrannies. If you want a good source to research more about this case, check out rebelnews.com. You should check out their video from the first protest at the Edmonton Remand Centre in support of Pr. Coates when he was first out in jail. Best. Protest. Ever. Speakers were basically pastors giving five minute sermons, and we sang hymns. The group you hear a couple times on camera singing really well in harmony is actually our church group. Edited to add: this guy is a member of GraceLife. He’s been live-streaming a lot from site. https://m.facebook.com/Devin-Davis-101163168761777/
    3 points
  7. Biblically, there is a distinction between those who are poor because they CANNOT from those who are lazy and WILL NOT. In order to be strictly Biblical, we must develop an understanding and behavior that includes both sides of the distinction.
    3 points
  8. I am a Trump supporter, and thought, as a President, he was one of the best, and was never given the chance to really do for the country what he hoped to do. I also believe those who opposed him and hounded him continually specifically to not let him work for the country will pay one day. That being said... I agree that the Lord ordains the powers that be. Trump wasn't a perfect man, he wasn't the messiah and possibly isn't even born again, as he seemed to approach Christianity much the way he does secular success. I believe Biden is president now, that even IF they cheated to get him in, the Lord allowed, or even ordained it so, and it is HIS reasoning as to why He did so. If they cheated to get Biden in, I am comforted when I consider what happened to Athaliah in Israel, who murdered all the royal seed, (except for missing one, preserved by the Lord and His priests) and usurped control of the throne, but only for a time, and was eventually taken and put to death, even as she screamed that it was treason. So, knowing the Lord ordains, and we are to pray for those he has ordained to the powers that be, I ray for him and the administration, for their salvations, for their blessings, and their wisdom to be of God. I am not a Calvinist by any means, but i DO believe that through even our choices, which God knows beforehand, His will shall ultimately be accomplished, so I need not worry for the future, no matter who is President.
    2 points
  9. Each province is a little different, but generally speaking, no. BC has forbidden non-essential travel between health regions. There are check stops set up on some major highways in the south (it's very mountainous, so these highways really are the only way through) where police are stopping people. It sounds like claiming essential travel gets you through okay, but I wouldn't want to drive an RV. BC churches are meeting outside only, last I remember. Alberta is usually the Texas of Canada, and has a 'conservative' government, so the fact we're seeing the restrictions we are is ridiculous. We're actually getting more closed down, and the government keeps changing the goalposts for reopening. They claim that if 75% get vaccinated, they'll 'start' to reopen. We have 48% half vaccinated (don't ask me my opinion on this!) and 3.5% fully vaccinated. Vaccination status is beginning to affect access to places like seniors' homes. We are still at 15 people allowed for church services, 15% capacity in retail, and some types of small businesses/gyms/etc. shut down. Schools flip-flop between online and in-person learning - always with masks. Restaurants can have take out only. 8 weeks ago, restaurants were open for dine in service - then they shut that down but allowed patios. Many restaurants spent thousands of dollars (after a year with multiple months of closures) to put in patios - then the government closed them down for pick up services only. This doesn't work in highly rural areas, where one can drive 30-45 minutes from the restaurant to their home. Many restaurants and places dependent on tourist income are already closed for good - but Costcos and Walmarts with active outbreaks can stay open. (For the record, Alberta is running PCR tests at such a high number of cycles that our 'positive' cases are likely well over 50% false positives.) Funerals & weddings are allowed 15 - no reception, and last week, outside social gathering sizes were reduced from 10 to 5. Cities are worse - Edmonton has its own private masking requirements that require people visiting the zoo OUTSIDE to wear masks. We are getting more closed down, not less. Last week, the government removed many of the masking exemptions, and required doctor's notes for anyone wishing exemption (the list of approved reasons for mask exemption is very small). The strong conservative feeling is that they are trying to force the small businesses to close. The liberal government is beginning to discuss a Universal Basic Income. There was an attempt by bureaucrats in the Parks Department to implement drone use to monitor back-country camping during long weekends - to make sure people aren't gathering in groups that are too large. That was probably not approved by the appropriate Minister, and it was rescinded very quickly after it was found out by the media (for once, even the very liberal media, which usually functions as a propaganda arm of the government, was a bit shocked). The injunction Pr. Tim was arrested under was verbally changed the week before his arrest to exclude the clause under which he was arrested. Our health service department (AHS) is fighting hard to say that since the change wasn't yet documented, it should still be valid. It took a while to get him out (he was released yesterday), since the release conditions he was originally offered were not something he could agree to in good conscience (haven't heard what they were, but are probably similar to what Pr. Coates of GraceLife were given - he spent 5 or 6 weeks in jail before realistic conditions were negotiated). Their church building has been ordered closed by AHS. They will likely be looking for another place to meet (if they go back, the locks will be changed on the building, and Pr. Tim & possibly their other elder will be rearrested). I would like to know how unlelected health services became so powerful! The fear of death in the world must truly be immense. This is a political response, not a spiritual one, but I wish the churches in this province would see the importance of publicly acknowledging their religious requirement to meet corporately, and to sing. So many think they must obey the government, but don't seem to see the long-term implications - so they are following all restrictions. Many have not met in-person or fully corporately for a year (this is broad-brushing across all denominations, not specific to IFB). We are the only IFB church in our circles to be publicly fully open... I know a couple more at least that are meeting corporately in secret or inconspicuously, and others fully follow the restrictions. If more stood up, it would make it difficult for the government to devote the amount of resources to them all that are currently being used to target the few. Of those that see the importance for corporate worship, the number of underground churches is growing. Think about that. Canada has underground churches. And pray for our peace in this time. I know we don't compare to other regions of the world, and we are not really being specifically targeted for persecution (ask any gym or restaurant!), but in a country that still claims freedom of religion, assembly and association, it's really hard to reconcile. That was a VERY long response - sorry! I guess I had a lot to say.
    2 points
  10. Thank you so much for the information. We'll be praying for you and all these churches in Canada. I cant imagine what it is like. So sad to see this stuff take place all over the world. Protesting in large groups acceptable...church meeting in large groups... illegal.
    2 points
  11. Bill, I hope you are old enough to understand that socialism is the precursor to communism. No more reply to you, so you may as well stop contacting me. Communism 'the form of government' not some obscure situation you may have personally encountered is godless. People living under communism who desire Christianity want to leave their country for that reason. I reject your left wing ideas out of hand. You on the other hand, although deceived, may very well be a nice guy. P.S. I voted for Donald Trump and Mike Pence already.
    2 points
  12. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit TO - the believers at Thessalonica. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit ABOUT - "ANY" who "would not work." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 -- "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if ANY would not work, neither should he eat."
    2 points
  13. This also is a misrepresentation of my position, for my position presents the need to balance ALL of God's teaching on the matter. Consider the following: Also consider: Now, the "entire body of principles in God's Word" on this matter would include the following studies: 1. The responsibility to give in support of church leadership and the Lord's work. 2. The responsibility to help fellow believers in material need. 3. The responsibility to help the Lord's Jewish brethren in material need. 4. The responsibility to help the general poor and needy. 5. The restriction from helping the unworthy lazy. 6. The requirement for Spirit-filled administrators of collected funds. 7. The reward promised for those who are generous in giving.
    2 points
  14. Words are vehicles to convey thought; never more important than when we deal with Scripture. Regarding the last post that Bro. Scott made; the Scripture says what it says; nothing more and certainly nothing less. Any disagreement with what it says must be taken up with the author of the Scripture.
    2 points
  15. Matthew 25:31-46 -- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye [personally] have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren [note that the specific recipients here are not just any poor and needy, but are specifically the Lord's own BRETHREN], ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these [the word "these" is a demonstrative pronoun grammatically indicated the same ones mentioned earlier], ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." Helping any poor and needy is NOT the relevant factor in this judgment. Rather, helping the poor and needy OF THE LORD'S BRETHREN is the relevant factor in this judgment. (Now, the question does remain whether in this context the Lord was speaking concerning His Jewish brethren, or His Christian brethren. In either case, whether one does or does not help unsaved, non-Jewish poor and needy, it has NO bearing on THIS particular judgment.)
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  16. You are correct. Nothing in God's Word directly prohibits a government program from engaging in charitable giving unto the poor and needy, neither does anything in God's Word command the employment of such a government program. As such, it would indeed be wrong for me to oppose a government program of charity (depending on how it was administered); just as it would be wrong for you to condemn me if I did not give through that government program of charity. Thus IF governmental liberalism was simply a government program of charity, I would not express direct opposition against it (depending on how and to whom it was administered), any more than I express direct opposition against other charitable organizations. Indeed, IF governmental liberalism was a government program to which we might WILLINGLY give of our material wealth, such that the government agency, having a larger distribution scope, would then distribute that freely given help unto those in genuine need, I would not oppose it so firmly and fiercely. In fact, such a government program of charity would be structured upon the two foundational points of Biblical Liberality: 1. The individual gives willingly out of a personal heart of compassion for the poor and needy. 2. The individual gives liberally out of their own material possession to help the poor and needy. HOWEVER, governmental liberalism is NOT structured simply as a government program of charity. Governmental liberalism is structured as a FORCED system wherein the government FORCIBLY TAKES an individual's material wealth away through taxes, and then gives unto the "poor" that FORCIBLY TAKEN wealth, which is not actually the government's own material wealth, but was actually someone else's material wealth. Even so, governmental liberalism does NOT fulfill either of the two foundational points of Biblical Liberality. First, it is NOT structured for the individual to give willingly out of his or her personal heart of compassion, since it FORCIBLY TAKES through governmental mandate. Furthermore, it is NOT structured for the individual to give out of his or her OWN wealth, since the government (the individual persons that make up the government) is not giving out of its own wealth, but is giving wealth that it has taken from others. Thus I repeat yet again: _____________________________________________ Actually, I am aware that in the King James translation specifically, whenever the 2nd person pronouns "you" and "ye" are found, they are ALWAYS plural. Even so, our Lord Jesus Christ was indeed speaking to a plural group of people in the judgment of Matthew 25:31-46. However, as you yourself have recognized above, when our Lord Jesus Christ judges at the last judgment, He judges them personally according to their individual and personal behavior. Thus the commendation and condemnation of Matthew 25:31-46 contextually retains its PERSONAL emphasis. Furthermore, within this context in Matthew 25:40 our Lord Jesus Christ specifically defined the recipients of this giving as HIS OWN BRETHREN (which would either mean His Jewish brethren or His Christian brethren). (Note: I myself believe that in this context we should view this as His Jewish brethren.) ________________________________________________ Indeed, individual people DO make up governments and institutions; and they most certainly should NOT "divorce God" from ANY part of their lives (although the great majority have done just that, for "there is no fear of God before their eyes"). (Note: Actually, in many ways the governmental liberalism of America is trying to governmentally compel and force genuine believers to "divorce God" from much of their public lives.) However, when the people that make up the government give away wealth that is not their own, but is that which they have forcibly taken from others, they are NOT actually following God's Word, will, or way. IF they were following God's Word, will, and way, they would be taking of their OWN wealth to give unto the poor; and they would be distributing the wealth of others that those others had willingly and freely entrusted to their administration. (Note: Throughout the historical record the pursuits of governmental socialism in its various forms has been ANTI-GOD, ANTI-CHRIST, and ANTI-Biblical morality.)
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  17. You clearly don’t understand the role of government. If we followed your logic, should the government also preach the Gospel? After all individual believers are commanded to preach the Gospel. Do you think the government should take peoples tax dollars and pay ministers to preach the Gospel? If you say no then your thinking process is contradictory. You don’t seem to understand that God has different commands and requirements for individuals and for different institutions such as the Church, the Home, and Civil Government.
    2 points
  18. Maybe lazy conservatives and Christians will go out and vote in ALL elections now. They took over the State Assembly here in Virginia because Republicans did not show up to vote (some didn't even know elections were going on) while Bloomberg was literally busing Democrat voters to the polls.
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  19. PastorMatt

    Just a Thought

    I do agree that many Christians have put Trump on a pedestal. Trump is not our savior and it bothered me when many sermons were more about supporting Trump than the Gospel message. One of those (Gospel message) will make a true difference in peoples lives. I also agree, we need to pray for our president no matter who it is.
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  20. Yes, sir. He WAS at Franklin Road Baptist Church for a while, but left there taking a group of families with him back around 2001 or so, and started the Global Vision Baptist Church. Later, as some things started unraveling for him, he dropped the name "Baptist" and became a "Bible" church, and whatever it is now since his divorce. I've had many interactions with him, and they've not been pleasant from his end. This is one pastor who WAS in the "Baptist" group who now has a cult-like following. It's frightening to read some of the emails and messages I've gotten when I've responded to some of his YouTube videos or posts on FB. I only pay attention to him because he is leading people away from the truth of the Word into a political styled, man worshipping religion, and I want to keep the friends and relatives I have who listen to him or wish to go hear him pointed back towards the Scriptures.
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  21. I'm sure you are enjoying that beautiful sunrise. I'm continuing praying for your health and praising the Lord with your involvement in the Cowboy church. Keep on keeping on.
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  22. Thank you for the reply. It's so sad to see country's falling into communism and take complete control. Praying for you folks.
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  23. Though I'm not on board with what many of the organizations that the SBC supports, especially right now while there is a case before the Supreme Court (our NAMB and the ERLC) I would have to say that I still support the Southern Baptists. They are still autonomous churches and can support whomever they wish inside the cooperative programs. I don't agree with the possible name change to "The Great Commission Baptists" as it's not advantageous for many of the preachers who were raised in the SBC and who believe that the name should stay. Personally, I've NEVER considered the SBC racist in any way, shape, or form. Many of the churches in the SBC have a racially diverse background and attendance record. I know of many IFB churches who are less active in missions, who don't follow Scriptural guidelines and who have promoted people to "god-like" status, and that is one reason we left them. There are also other issues in both the IFB and the SBC that have made it hard to fully represent the Lord to people. Many things, especially sexual immorality, absconding with church funds, and many other things have made it hard on churches of both sects of Baptist throughout the years. I don't believe I need name any. I have nothing against the IFB churches. I know they're all different and autonomous, as are the SBC churches. But having been raised one, and having seen how they handled many situations made my skin crawl. The same has now started to permeate into the SBC community. Now there's the introduction of the "gay marriage" situation, and many other things such as the CRT. These are things that could well tear the SBC apart, and are tearing many IFB churches apart as well.
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  24. Agreed. I have, in the past, considered dropping the "IFB" label, because there are an awful lot of awful IFB's out there. However, there are an awful lot of awful people who claim the title "Christian", but it is a worthy title, so, in consideration, I maintain the title of IFB because I hold to what IFB actually means, and my church is not defined by the harm some do to the name, because of their bad behavior.
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  25. Those who voted for this gay rights, abortion loving, God hating, Christian hating crowd.... I doubt very seriously that they have been born of the Spirit of God. Can't be.
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  26. Liberals are soon to be in charge, thanks to all the christians that voted for the new liberal democrats. Many simply just hated Trump, forgetting everything what Trump did for the christians, and Israel. What comes to my mine is, when the children of God, demanded a King in the Old Testament. You want a liberal king or queen? A king or queen you shall receive, and all what comes with it.
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  27. Quote: “We are Great Commission Baptists.” Right; anything but Independent Baptist! There simply is no biblical justification for The Southern Baptist Convention, or any other form of association. The biblical example for a New testament Church is, Independent, Local, Visible, Autonomous.
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  28. Actually, it is best to seek obedience unto God's Holy Word in ALL matters, both in helping the genuine needy, as well as in confronting the unworthy lazy. The precepts and principles of God's Holy Word are not to be compromised either on the right hand or on the left. When God's Word states -- "If any WOULD NOT work, NEITHER SHOULD he eat," God's Word is providing a clear instruction concerning our behavior toward the unworthy lazy. Any individual, group, or program that does not seek a legitimate application of this Biblical principle in its giving policies toward the poor and need is not following God's own standard in the matter. Obedience to God's Word matters!!
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  29. 2 Thessalonians 3:10............ if any would not work, neither should he eat................
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  30. Now I have to wonder if you have even been paying attention throughout our discussion in this thread, for I have ALREADY defined Biblical liberality in my previous postings. In my first posting within this thread discussion, I included the following: In my second posting within this thread discussion, I included the following: In my third posting within this thread discussion, I included the following:
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  31. You might want to read again, for I never used the phrase "Biblical liberalism." Rather, I purposefully used the phrase "Biblical liberality." The "ism" at the end of "liberalism" indicates that it is a system and movement of set beliefs. Whereas the word "liberality" simply indicates a particular activity of generous giving.
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  32. Are you asking what values of governmental liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of doctrinal liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of Biblical liberality would I support? Or are you asking what values of something "liberal" that I have not listed would I support?
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  33. I don't remember reading where Jesus taught any of the principles of socialism or those common to liberalism. I do remember the Bibles teaching about if a man does not work he should not eat? and about how murdering children is wrong. I also never see where Jesus calls for censorship of viewpoints one disagrees with. nor do I see Jesus ever advocating forced redistribution of wealth by the government. Socialism is absolutely not what Jesus taught.
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  34. Yes, but in my opinion only if they have no idea what the Dems of today represent or they have no idea what the bible teaches outside of a few Sermon on the Mount verses. Many people, particularly older folks, still think the Democrat party is the party of FDR or John Kennedy. Those days are long gone.
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  35. This is Pastor Trieber's update from this morning: Newsom, CA's governor, said this virus was the opportunity to change society (not his exact words, but his meaning). He is proving it, as is our governor and some others.
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  36. Bill, I am not sure what you are getting at in response to my post. My text was simply a personal observation regarding community people who probably were not members of that church. My quoted Scripture was my own agreement with Scripture concerning church services. I was not pointing to "anti-social distancing" or any of that other stuff. My church observes social distancing and makes provision for it, it also provides masks for those who want them. Personally, I only have a problem with government trying to close, or even demolish a church building because its members want to continue meeting during this Covid 19 mess, as Scripture directs.
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  37. You can be sure that the "concerned community members" would not have attended under any circumstances. Hebrews 10:25 (KJV) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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  38. https://www.newstbt.com/post/court-permits-government-to-avoid-producing-dr-hinshaw-s-evidence-on-lockdowns-at-may-3-trial?postId=6079d2664688760015642e8e So if in 13 months, the government does not have shareable scientific evidence to support the lockdowns, then why are there lockdowns? Why are they locking a church? If they cannot support the restriction of Charter freedoms, their health orders are invalid. And yet they stand. I’m about ready to start a revolution right now... #verymad
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  39. It is strange how people say they accept the teachings of Jesus, but when people want to implement his teachings they are called socialist or liberal. The GOP certainly is not the party it was before Nixon. When Nixon instituted his Southern Polity they became the bigoted, racist party we see today. It is interesting how the parties switched after Johnson's civil rights bill passed. The old "solid South" which was Democratic became the new "solid South," but Republican. My guess is that many on the board are not old enough to remember before Nixon.
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