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  1. 4 points
    Websites (or at least a Facebook page) are a requirement nowadays, I think. If I'm searching for a church to visit, I won't even consider any that I can't first look up their statement of faith and peruse their website. But the website needs to look like it was updated within the last 15 years!
  2. 4 points
    Proverbs 1:7 -- "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." In my opinion, they are leaving because they lack the foundational motivation of heart to stay. They are more concerned about what pleases them than they are about what pleases God. They do not possess the fear and love of the Lord in their hearts. Rather, they possess the love of self and the world in their hearts. They are dull of hearing toward the teaching and preaching of God's Word because they do not possess a foundational fellowship with the God of the Word. They have entangled themselves with the riches, pleasures, and social connections of this life and world; and those things are choking out their desire for the Lord their God and His Holy Word. It is ALL about the priority of their hearts.
  3. 3 points
    No one denies that things such as you outlined happen. it is then that you need to diligently search out a church home where you can agree with their doctrine and program. But speaking to the issue I presented, a sixty mile radius of you is not "most everything" or "the majority". That was the statement I was speaking to. I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.
  4. 3 points
    As for my church, every way you mentioned. Sermons are posted to Vimeo and linked to our website and they also live stream on Facebook. This is done to accommodate our infirm members, those too sick to attend. We started with one screen and then later added two more above the choir loft. No rock and roll stage, a piano on one side and an organ on the other. I think it a great mistake for believers to trade the bible in a book format for one in electronic format. It's hard to grow intimate with the pages when you have none, with the leather when all you have is glass and plastic dependent on electricity. Don't remove the ancient landmarks!
  5. 3 points
    My seven grandchildren are all millennials. None of them go to church. Their reason is they all grew up in public school and are evolutionists. They were not taught the Word in school. They believe in the science they were taught. After 12-16 years of school their "truth" is based on this science. I keep trying, but it is hard to overcome this situation.
  6. 2 points
    The article is excellent and the testimony by Miss Daisy breaks my heart.
  7. 2 points
    That’s exactly what happened to my old church. I’d left the area for about 15 years when I returned my old church was replaced by black curtains so it was dark as night in there. Rock concert music, fog machines and singers in mini skirts rocking out with a pastor with punk hair and ripped jeans. I still attended because they had a great youth pastor, who was in his forties and my daughter loved going to all the activities. Then the pastor decided the youth pastor wasnt as hip and cool as he wanted the new image of the church to be and fired him. That caused a split from the older core members from the young crowd. We and a lot of the older crowd left. Discouraged by church politics I didn’t go for a few years until I went to my church now. The church I left has been plagued with infidelity rumors about new pastors and singing directors and the young girls singing on stage. But it remains the same rock concert appealing to the flesh and lust of lost sheep.
  8. 2 points
    Unfortunately that is what happens when parents do not take the education of their children seriously. When our children are turned over to the state for indoctrination what else do we expect? I went to public school. I didn't get saved until I was an adult. Evolution was ingrained in my mind as a fact. Even though I didn't really understand it I just accepted it as true. After I got saved the first time I heard a pastor preach about young earth creationism I was looking around the auditorium wondering if anyone else was as confused and shocked as I was. It took a lot of time for the Word to sink in and break down those strongholds.
  9. 2 points
    I am of the opinion that it is a combination of both positions that is the truth. I think there is a lot of shallowness and hardness in IFB that is driving people away, but I also acknowledge that there is a lot of worldly temptations that is also drawing them away. I do not think we have an either or situation here, but rather a "these are both problems" scenario.
  10. 2 points
    I have thought about if/how I should respond to this post. I have decided that I will. I have to respectfully disagree with what you have said here Pastor Markle. While what you say is true it is not exclusive to the Millennial generation. Christian's of all ages groups act this way, senior citizens to children. Although I hate to admit it but depending on what source you consult I am often found belonging to the Millennial generation. I was born in 1984. My answer is my opinion so you can take it or leave it but this is what I believe... This generation is one of the first generations to have access to almost unlimited information at the drop of a hat. Any question they have or any issue they want to research can be done so at anytime. With that being said when they ask a question a canned, surface level response often times will not suffice for them. When they press the issue and try to get a more thorough response they are accused of questioning authority. So they get shut down, mad, and offended. What often times began as sincere questioning turns into anger and frustration and a belief that their elders and church leadership don't know what they are talking about. I believe easy believism has played a big role in this because many of our churches are full of these types of people that don't have a real relationship with Jesus Christ, they are followers of men. Followers of men can't answer spiritual questions. Those people don't study the Scriptures and don't know how to study the Scriptures and sadly many of our churches don't teach people how to study the Scriptures. Many sermons preached are a verse or a part of a verse taken out of context and then 3-5 ideas the preacher came up with to support their removed from context launching point. That is shallow amateurism at best and fraudulent and deceptive at worst. I have heard this type of thing defended and justified many times. When the goal of the door to door "soulwinner" is the same as a Kirby vaccum salesman we have a serious problem. They only thing they are after is getting someone to repeat the sinner's prayer. Then declare the person saved to the church. If it is then questioned why that person never comes to church and doesn't want follow up visits the normal response is "well they were just after fire insurance". There is no such thing as fire insurance. When a person is born again they receive the gift of eternal life by grace through faith, the indwelling of the Spirit of God, and a new heart, all of which results in a drastically changed life. When these things don't happen and repeated excuses are made to down play it people will take note and question it, then the cycle from above repeats. To sum it all up I believe many Millennials want to see genuine people and be able to ask genuine questions and get genuine answers. I believe that often times we fail to be able to do that. It is easy to point the finger at Millennials and say they are the problem and all they are interested in is deifying themselves. It is much harder to look in the mirror and say I have failed to share the message of Christ in a genuine way and make myself available to those that need Christ and need to grow in His grace. The deification of man has been happening for thousands of years, it is not something new...
  11. 2 points
    My thoughts exactly. It's so sad/gross to see this happen so much.
  12. 1 point
    We are living in the last days, you will not hear this in the modern church today. What we are seeing right now before our eyes, as when Christ came to this earth the first time. People could not see the truth, man did not fear God. Money is still the root of all evilness. Churches today, with their tithes and offering that are just covering the churches mega budgets, and large salaries. Entertainment and shows, must help to pay for all this. More and more churches, but less Christians, Sad.
  13. 1 point
  14. 1 point
    Pretty much all (of the few) in our church are of the millennial persuasion, so I can speak a bit on this. I have, for instance, twin brothers, 28, who seem to love the church and the Lord, but tend to be in and out, for family events, occasionally getting caught up in a video game, working so any hours of overtime they sleep most of Sunday, spending the day working on their yard or truck. So there seems to be a certain ADHD, of sorts, that they are going so many directions they tend to just...forget. We find that often if we text and remind them of upcoming service, probably 90% of the time they make it. But they are too mindful of other things. They haven't learned to fully put God first. I am patient with them, because I see myself there, too, when I was their age. It is nothing new really-we must remember the Bible says that few will find the narrow path.
  15. 1 point
    Sadly, that "pastor" needs to get saved as well. That church isn't dying, it likely never was, and certainly is not now one of Christ's New Testament Churches of the kind that Jesus started. We see this all the time sadly.
  16. 1 point
    I think we’re getting a bit off topic here, and the repentance reference will likely take it further off. Let’s keep this thread to the technology subject; if anyone would like to discuss repentance/doctrine or issues in churches, they are welcome to start new threads.
  17. 1 point
    Family integrated churches don't have this problem, because the parents don't send their children off into rooms with strange adults. The definition of "strange" is anyone who is not your immediate family. If you don't have a youth pastor, he cannot molest your children. On top of that, churches are warming up to the sodomites, even putting them in children's ministries. Run out of that church as fast as you can.
  18. 1 point
    There is plenty of hard preaching against Islam and false religions online from church services. Nobody get picketed for it. The only picketing comes from pastors preaching hard against the sodomites. Even then , it doesn't last long, and the sodomites go back to their filthy deeds and leave them alone. A friend of mine that moved away from a church that has been picketed for preaching against the sodomites online just had to quit the only IFB church within three hours of where they now live because he found out that the pastor was allowing a convicted child molester and sodomite attend their church while keeping it from their members. Islam isn't our biggest problem.
  19. 1 point
    My wife and I have been looking for a Baptist Church to belong to, but have given up in our area. One of the two that were KJV was a church called Victory Baptist. When we were searching, of course we used the internet, because the yellow pages are there as well. This church didn't have a web site, or even a Facebook page informing people of service times, church doctrine, etc. We found it, and went there for a couple of months. What we did find is that the pastor had a web site for his own family's ministry, where he sold his books and such, but nothing for his church. After attending for a while, I concluded that churches that don't even have a facebook page, let alone a web site, which are both free nowadays, have something to hide. Our First Baptist Church is now called "Wellspring Church". I have a feeling that they used to be baptist, now they are not, so they took the name off of the sign. Victory Baptist says "Independent" on their sign, and I have to wonder if they took the "fundamental" part off of the sign at some point. In my experience, the more technological a church is, the less fundamental they are, because the technology is part of the reason people come, not the doctrine, or the work being done in the churches. In my town, they have revolving "in" churches. It used to be the Calvary Chapel church, and then it switched to a church by the name of "Redeemers". The latest one I have heard about is called "Family Church". They have the music technology, the big screens, video satellite churhes, etc etc. While it appears impossible to find a church that doesn't teach works salvation in my area, you can go enjoy some rock music and watch some video any time you want. Baptist churches are either taking baptist off the sign, or literally dying off, because your either take "baptist" and "fundamental" off the sign, or you shrink down to numbers that cannot pay the property taxes and light bill. I've been to a couple of them where it is just Bill, his wife, two kids, an 85 year old pastor, and the mother in law that are left. The problem with that church is that Bill's wife and mother in law are running the church, because the church will have nobody in it if the mother in law gets offended. I'm not exaggerating. I got yelled at by the mother in law in the bible study this Wednesday night because I mentioned that a woman should not be speaking and talking doctrine during church services, which is what their "sister" church did last Sunday night when we joined up with them. The woman literally yelled at me, telling me that it was fine because it was a praise service, and she was speaking at the music podium and not the pulpit. The three men kept silence in the church while two women were rebuking me. Can anyone one recognize a dead baptist church? Should I go to their sister church to see if the women rebuke men openly during Wed night bible study? If Baptist churches don't get more fundamental than they are, they are on their way out. Technology won't solve their problems. If they go full on technology as a means to attract people, they will no longer matter concerning the things of God. Use technology wisely. Get your name out with it. Let people know what you believe with it, but using it to attract people won't produce fruit for the kingdom of God, it will just attract shallow people, and when shallow people fill your church, you must know that you have become shallow, otherwise they would not be there. I use the Bible Gateway on my phone all the time, but couldn't imagine trying to give someone the gospel with it, therefor churches should not use electronic replacements. Show me a church that has replaced the paper bible with electronics, and I will show you a church that does not do soul winning.
  20. 1 point
    While I believe that repentance is necessary for salvation (not going to discuss that in this section), I don't think that the problem of millennials leaving the church is a pastor thing, but Christians in general. We as Christians should be studying the Bible and know why we believe what we believe. It should be for every Christian, not just the pastor.
  21. 1 point
    In trying to find a Baptist church to attend and go soul winning from, I made the mistake of telling a pastor that I didn’t believe that the Jews were God’s chosen people, and that we are. He told me that I shouldn’t attend his church because that was their big “thing”. Their soul winning program was him doing door hangers once a month with his kids. I also asked him if he believed that you have to repent of your sins to be saved. He said that he believed so. I asked him if he could show me from the scriptures, and he could not. He tried to find something, but ultimately said that he wasn’t sure why he believed it, but that he did. He was a Bible college graduate who was a youth pastor for several years, then was sent to this church as the pastor. I am just a 50 year old HVAC guy, but can show you from Genesis to Revelation why you can’t repent of your sins for salvation, and that the Jews are not God’s chosen people, and we are. When pastors cannot defend their beliefs from the scripture, and the focus of their church is preaching about the Christ rejecting Jews in Israel as if they are the biggest concern that we should have, mellenials or no, they are dying.
  22. 1 point
    I don't agree. How can Muslims believe if they cannot hear the gospel? Our pastor visits India rom time to time.and to get a visa he was not allowed to preach outside the church. However, unbeknown to him the church had rigged up large loudspeakers outside the church to broadcast his message. Preachers in that country face 6 months in jail for preaching outside the church but the go to jail and when the come out they preach outsie again and then do another 6 months. The church is to spread the word, not to keep it to members. Luke 9:26
  23. 1 point
    In our little country church, maybe we will just bring in our guard dogs.
  24. 1 point
    Good for you Mike. "No Deacons" is always a plausible option, especially for small churches.
  25. 1 point
    When I first became a pastor, there were no deacons, just 'trustees', because we were small, and they were there for business purposes. I have since done away with the official state business aspect, got rid of the 501C3 aspect of the church, and so no trustees. While still too small to worry about deacons, once I had considered it, and they balked at the idea that, A, they weren't going to be a board who decided what did and didn't go on at the church and run the pastor's ministry, and, B, that their primary job was to take things OFF my shoulders and take over in various duties like visitation and the like, so I could put my focus on the word and prayer for the sake of the church. Even when I showed them in scripture what the deacons were hired for, basically waiting tables, they didn't like it, and so no deacons.
  26. 1 point
    And so it goes and has gone that way for many years now. This is the reason that when and if Deacons are chosen they must be deeply spiritual men, well versed in Scripture and with a Godly understanding of what the office of Deacon consists of. Even more important is what the office does NOT consist of.
  27. 1 point
    My old church in San Diego, fortunately, hasn't gone through this, though I've seen they are starting to use some contemporary music, carefully recrafted to a more conservative sound. Unfortunately, this is often the first step down. Once the current pastor, who is holding things together, passes, the trip down will be much quicker.
  28. 1 point
    I will ask our pastor who they used. A 14 year old boy runs all our video/facebook/live streaming/youtube live, website, etc.! So it can't be too hard.
  29. 1 point
    We have a Facebook page that I post on a few times a week. Most of our members do not have Facebook pages, so it's hard to get followers. It is growing slowly, though. We don't have a website yet, but the tech guy in the church that founded ours has volunteered to create one for us. That's about it. I did start a Twitter account but don't use it. I know I should, though.
  30. 1 point

    What Happened to my Church?

    Sad article and testimonies. But it does go to show how each generation in a church - each family and individual - needs to be faithful and walk with the Lord today, not just rest where they or their church once stood. There is no coasting in the Christian life - not for an individual, and not for the church they are part of. Coasting is like sitting on the fence when temptation to compromise comes your way. I think it was my webpartner, Angela Trenholm, who once said, “The Devil owns the fence,” and I know the fence is greased! It is a slippery slope, for sure.
  31. 1 point
    We have an excellent quality digital soundboard and make good CD copies, but our dream is to have a Website where we could post sermons and such that is password protected for just members. We have no one in our church with the technical skills to design a site though. Any suggestions on a good professional with pricing would be appreciated. I doubt we could ever think of live streaming. Our Pastor is not shy about preaching the whole counsel of God and some of his sermons would have protesters picketing our church or worse if he is speaking about Islam and other religions.
  32. 1 point
    Our Sunday services are live on YouTube. We have a facebook page and a screen behind pastor with messages and reminders. I think it needs to be shut off during the sermon. I don't think it's needed either. All the news, etc. is in the paper bulletin. Thankfully, people viewing online can't see the screen from the lights hanging above. I'm also one who would prefer everyone use a paper Bible. No one is going to learn the order of books on an e-book. We have one lady who specifically uses an e-bible because she has very bad vision, which is fine. But teens and new believers need to learn the basic placings of the Books of the Bible. Which is not possible if all you have to do is enter the verse and it just pops up. But my pastor puts his sermons on a pad and if the pad's not working, he's lost. And we have to wait for it to load, etc. This is the first church where the preacher doesn't go from an actual book. He should print out his highlights and reference so he's not totally dependent on technology. Nothing better to hear when pastor says "please go to such and such" and you hear the ruffling of pages.:)
  33. 1 point
    Thanks Sawthdiver. I have found that may times this verse is at the heart of the problem of people leaving our churches. I have found comfort in this very verse when things of this nature happen.
  34. 1 point
    This is why they and everyone else leaves: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” - 1 John 2:19
  35. 1 point
    I understand, the reason why the question was asked is because I visited about a hundred of churches last few years and this is the topic about millennial's that always seems to come up in our Baptist churches. Just discussing what seems like a majority of churches are asking.
  36. 1 point
    Brother AdamL, I am glad that you chose to present your response. It is well presented; however, it appears to have one underlying assumption that is wrong in relation to my own response above. I myself would NOT limit my response above just unto the present generation. I would have given the same answer for any generation. In fact, I believe that it is the same problem that is reported throughout Scripture for multiple different generations of Israel in the Old Testament and for various believers in the New Testament. (Note: If you will take notice, you will find in my above response various allusions to the very teaching of God's Holy Word on the matter.) On the other hand, I would agree that the scenario which you present above represents a way of falsehood within the Independent Baptist movement. Certainly this way of falsehood should be rejected. I myself have rejected it and find it spiritually offensive. However, in my own ministry experience the "Millenials" (and, for that matter, older generations as well) that have fallen away from faithfulness have done so because they are instead pursuing video games, social media, money accumulation, personal recreation, and other things of the world, not because they could not acquire Biblical answers to their questions. (Note: Since you do not know me personally, I really cannot prove whether I am a "shallow" or a sound teacher and leader. I can only refer you to that which I have posted here on Online Baptist. I suppose that is the only evidence that I can provide to you for whether I am able to give genuine Biblical answers to genuine questions.)
  37. 1 point
    Well said bro. Scott. I also have to wonder about how many of these have been under the influence of Easy Believism and a quick prayer to "Invite Jesus Into Your Heart".
  38. 1 point
    The pervert is married with children and still took him less than a year in his role to start manipulating children. Sick. Romans 3:18 there is no fear of God before their eyes.
  39. 1 point
  40. 0 points
    Let me put it this way, when I go to these churches, I get to sit through salvation messages to supposedly saved people, long calls to an altar, praise of a foreign country that hates Jesus, and music that has no doctrine, or bad doctrine. The one thing that I want to do, I have no fellowship in doing, which is learning how to better give the gospel and actually doing it.
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