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  1. Christian Charity given willingly and directly to noble causes is not the same as compulsory giving to the government who then chooses for you where and how money is spent. Jesus asks you to do it directly and willingly. The politician seeks forced payment, forces you to give them your money while promising to only give some of it to the poor and even then to things which are appalling and poorly managed, then many squander what you give them to the point there is never enough for the original cause, so then demands more money which they then take by force from you. NOT. THE. SAME.
    5 points
  2. The government was specifically designated by God "for the punishment of evil doers and the praise of them that do well." We could also extrapolate a responsibility for national security in that. Anything beyond that is out of scope. 1. Christians are told to support the poor and needy. (This is an individual responsibility, and not given to the government.) 2. "If a man does not work, neither shall he eat." (this implies that programs that give money to those who WON'T work, rather than CAN'T work, are in violation of God's principles). I feel like conservative government aid prog
    4 points
  3. Actually, Biblical Liberality, as I have presented above, is the position that EMPHASIZES PERSONAL responsibility, because it emphasizes my own responsibility to take out of my own pocket in order to give from my own heart of my own material possession unto another in need. Indeed, the Biblical command of Biblical Liberality is so PERSONAL that if I do not personally give of my own personal possession to help those in need, I personally commit a sin in the sight of the Lord my God, and will personally be held accountable by Him. Governmental liberalism, however, removes personal responsibili
    4 points
  4. Governmental Liberalism - The government putting its hand in your pocket to forcibly take your wealth for distribution to those whom they deem the worthy "poor" (after pocketing some themselves). Biblical Liberality - You putting your own hand in your pocket to willingly and lovingly take your wealth for distribution to those whom the Holy Spirit directs you as the "poor and needy" (not the lazy and immoral). Our Lord Jesus Christ and God's Holy Word command Biblical Liberality, but do NOT support governmental liberalism. Those who use the commands of Biblical Liberality as a defens
    4 points
  5. Websites (or at least a Facebook page) are a requirement nowadays, I think. If I'm searching for a church to visit, I won't even consider any that I can't first look up their statement of faith and peruse their website. But the website needs to look like it was updated within the last 15 years!
    4 points
  6. Proverbs 1:7 -- "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." In my opinion, they are leaving because they lack the foundational motivation of heart to stay. They are more concerned about what pleases them than they are about what pleases God. They do not possess the fear and love of the Lord in their hearts. Rather, they possess the love of self and the world in their hearts. They are dull of hearing toward the teaching and preaching of God's Word because they do not possess a foundational fellowship with the God of the Word. They have
    4 points
  7. Biblically, there is a distinction between those who are poor because they CANNOT from those who are lazy and WILL NOT. In order to be strictly Biblical, we must develop an understanding and behavior that includes both sides of the distinction.
    3 points
  8. Not surprised one bit at all. The local and State governments, almost all Democratic controlled, have discovered that they can use a health scare to bypass the Constitution of the United States, take away our freedoms, shut down our businesses, and close down the churches. When this health issue first arose folks have been trying to warn the churches that the true issue is to control the churches or shut them down.
    3 points
  9. While we are not a church plant, we are in an area of very limited numbers. When I began the finances were taken care of by a lady who was very good with it. However they left, due to age, wanting to live near family, so the money was taken over by my wife and I, as we are quite small, and most of the people we deal with in our church have no ability to see to their own finances, much less the church's. As you probably agree, it is not a position I prefer to be in, BUT, since my wife and I, along with three people who aren't even part of our church anymore, are really the only ones who ever gi
    3 points
  10. When a younger IFB, (I became one in my 20's while in the Navy), I was, of course, brought up in the idea that the tithe was unquestionable, and absolute. I never bothered to question it-of course, I was learning so much new, but didn't do a lot of searching at the time. It wasn't until much later that my father gave me some of his old Bible college papers he had written, since I was preparing to become a pastor, and one the things he wrote was why He believed the tithe was not for today. I read it once and kind of poo-pooed it, but it stuck in my mind and I began to study it out and cam
    3 points
  11. No one denies that things such as you outlined happen. it is then that you need to diligently search out a church home where you can agree with their doctrine and program. But speaking to the issue I presented, a sixty mile radius of you is not "most everything" or "the majority". That was the statement I was speaking to. I sincerely hope you find what you are looking for.
    3 points
  12. As for my church, every way you mentioned. Sermons are posted to Vimeo and linked to our website and they also live stream on Facebook. This is done to accommodate our infirm members, those too sick to attend. We started with one screen and then later added two more above the choir loft. No rock and roll stage, a piano on one side and an organ on the other. I think it a great mistake for believers to trade the bible in a book format for one in electronic format. It's hard to grow intimate with the pages when you have none, with the leather when all you have is glass and plastic depen
    3 points
  13. My seven grandchildren are all millennials. None of them go to church. Their reason is they all grew up in public school and are evolutionists. They were not taught the Word in school. They believe in the science they were taught. After 12-16 years of school their "truth" is based on this science. I keep trying, but it is hard to overcome this situation.
    3 points
  14. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit TO - the believers at Thessalonica. The apostle was speaking under the inspiration of God the Holy Spirit ABOUT - "ANY" who "would not work." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 -- "For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if ANY would not work, neither should he eat."
    2 points
  15. This also is a misrepresentation of my position, for my position presents the need to balance ALL of God's teaching on the matter. Consider the following: Also consider: Now, the "entire body of principles in God's Word" on this matter would include the following studies: 1. The responsibility to give in support of church leadership and the Lord's work. 2. The responsibility to help fellow believers in material need. 3. The responsibility to help the Lord's Jewish brethren in material need. 4. The responsibility to help the general poor and needy. 5. The r
    2 points
  16. Matthew 25:31-46 -- "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: and before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I w
    2 points
  17. You are correct. Nothing in God's Word directly prohibits a government program from engaging in charitable giving unto the poor and needy, neither does anything in God's Word command the employment of such a government program. As such, it would indeed be wrong for me to oppose a government program of charity (depending on how it was administered); just as it would be wrong for you to condemn me if I did not give through that government program of charity. Thus IF governmental liberalism was simply a government program of charity, I would not express direct opposition against it (depending
    2 points
  18. You clearly don’t understand the role of government. If we followed your logic, should the government also preach the Gospel? After all individual believers are commanded to preach the Gospel. Do you think the government should take peoples tax dollars and pay ministers to preach the Gospel? If you say no then your thinking process is contradictory. You don’t seem to understand that God has different commands and requirements for individuals and for different institutions such as the Church, the Home, and Civil Government.
    2 points
  19. Maybe lazy conservatives and Christians will go out and vote in ALL elections now. They took over the State Assembly here in Virginia because Republicans did not show up to vote (some didn't even know elections were going on) while Bloomberg was literally busing Democrat voters to the polls.
    2 points
  20. We can't allow a person's description of their giving to become a division between brothers. It has to end, eternity is a long time and our Lord won't allow disputes in heaven. So, it is best, I believe to "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory;" Philippians 2:1-5... Amen?
    2 points
  21. Brethren, I purposely have not written in this thread as I generally do not tell the saints how or what to give and I did not want to offend anyone here on Online Baptist concerning giving. I do concentrate on the motive and the willingness to serve the Lord in all aspects (including giving). I have previously given my thoughts on this matter, giving, on the following devotion to anybody who wants to know how I feel. The devotion is how I explain giving at our church. You will notice that I handle it a little differently than usual. Alan
    2 points
  22. I JUST taught on fasting last Sunday night! It isn't a terribly popular subject, but it is such an important thing. It has many benefits to it, and God promises that those who fast in secret, God will reward openly!
    2 points
  23. To answer the original question of should Christians tithe during the corona virus? YES!!! I understand times are tough, but even when I was unemployed, I still gave what I believe God was telling me to give. Follow God's leading, He'll never leave nor forsake you.
    2 points
  24. Well, I do not believe tithing is a NT principle in the first place, but giving definitely is, so I will approach from that perspective: As far as, should Christians keep giving? Absolutely! As we are prospered, so we ought to give to God's work. Of course, those out of work, on furloughs, laid-off, etc, well, see to your family first; many are out of work so they cannot be expected to continue. Church expenses should be a bit down for buildings, in power usage and without normal activities, but I also know utility companies and mortgage companies are being told to give breaks during this
    2 points
  25. The article is excellent and the testimony by Miss Daisy breaks my heart.
    2 points
  26. That’s exactly what happened to my old church. I’d left the area for about 15 years when I returned my old church was replaced by black curtains so it was dark as night in there. Rock concert music, fog machines and singers in mini skirts rocking out with a pastor with punk hair and ripped jeans. I still attended because they had a great youth pastor, who was in his forties and my daughter loved going to all the activities. Then the pastor decided the youth pastor wasnt as hip and cool as he wanted the new image of the church to be and fired him. That caused a split from the older core member
    2 points
  27. Unfortunately that is what happens when parents do not take the education of their children seriously. When our children are turned over to the state for indoctrination what else do we expect? I went to public school. I didn't get saved until I was an adult. Evolution was ingrained in my mind as a fact. Even though I didn't really understand it I just accepted it as true. After I got saved the first time I heard a pastor preach about young earth creationism I was looking around the auditorium wondering if anyone else was as confused and shocked as I was. It took a lot of time for the Word
    2 points
  28. I am of the opinion that it is a combination of both positions that is the truth. I think there is a lot of shallowness and hardness in IFB that is driving people away, but I also acknowledge that there is a lot of worldly temptations that is also drawing them away. I do not think we have an either or situation here, but rather a "these are both problems" scenario.
    2 points
  29. I have thought about if/how I should respond to this post. I have decided that I will. I have to respectfully disagree with what you have said here Pastor Markle. While what you say is true it is not exclusive to the Millennial generation. Christian's of all ages groups act this way, senior citizens to children. Although I hate to admit it but depending on what source you consult I am often found belonging to the Millennial generation. I was born in 1984. My answer is my opinion so you can take it or leave it but this is what I believe... This generation is one of the first gene
    2 points
  30. My thoughts exactly. It's so sad/gross to see this happen so much.
    2 points
  31. Words are vehicles to convey thought; never more important than when we deal with Scripture. Regarding the last post that Bro. Scott made; the Scripture says what it says; nothing more and certainly nothing less. Any disagreement with what it says must be taken up with the author of the Scripture.
    1 point
  32. Are you asking what values of governmental liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of doctrinal liberalism would I support? Or are you asking what values of Biblical liberality would I support? Or are you asking what values of something "liberal" that I have not listed would I support?
    1 point
  33. I don't remember reading where Jesus taught any of the principles of socialism or those common to liberalism. I do remember the Bibles teaching about if a man does not work he should not eat? and about how murdering children is wrong. I also never see where Jesus calls for censorship of viewpoints one disagrees with. nor do I see Jesus ever advocating forced redistribution of wealth by the government. Socialism is absolutely not what Jesus taught.
    1 point
  34. Sorry to have you leave. I do hope you return but if not, please know, I have enjoyed reading your perspectives on various things on the forum, even if we have differed over a few things. You will be missed by many here and we wish the same blessings for you.
    1 point
  35. I was unemployed but still had some income coming in so I gave. I understand and sort of agree with your point. With us being a church plant, I have no choice but to take care of the finances (hopefully one day turn it over to someone). I will say this, those that don't give take up a good majority of my time outside of the pulpit. For me, I'm not going decide where my time/energy goes based on who or how much one gives.
    1 point
  36. Well, technically if you do tithe whenever you do have income, and have the desire to tithe even when you do not have income, then you are still tithing... I've also always considered the tithe more than just income but rather includes all that we have been blessed with. Time, talents, treasures, and our praises, etc
    1 point
  37. I believe the following reasons are why millennial's are leaving the Church: 1) The cost associated with being a follower of Christ is absent from Gospel presentation, easy-believism is promoted heavily in the Church today. Also, a lot of Pastors as well as Christians in general fail to confront sin while presenting the Gospel. When a person doesn't understand the cost of being a follower of Jesus as well as their sin, they don't feel the need to stay in Church. 2) The lack of discipleship in Churches. Jesus was very hands on and intentional in His discipleship and so were His apostl
    1 point
  38. Well now, you managed to push my button. No, it is not for the pastor to relegate the job to an evangelist to preach what he won't!!!!! If there is a topic or passage that a given evangelist does a better job of conveying Bible truth to folks than the pastor can, I don't have a problem with him getting a guest preacher for it. HOWEVER, if the pastor's is worried about being rebuked or voted out due to preaching Bible -- he needs to grow up, determine whether he is called of God to preach, and if so then preach because your final accountability is to God and His Word!!!!!!! NOT to give someone
    1 point
  39. We are living in the last days, you will not hear this in the modern church today. What we are seeing right now before our eyes, as when Christ came to this earth the first time. People could not see the truth, man did not fear God. Money is still the root of all evilness. Churches today, with their tithes and offering that are just covering the churches mega budgets, and large salaries. Entertainment and shows, must help to pay for all this. More and more churches, but less Christians, Sad.
    1 point
  40. Pretty much all (of the few) in our church are of the millennial persuasion, so I can speak a bit on this. I have, for instance, twin brothers, 28, who seem to love the church and the Lord, but tend to be in and out, for family events, occasionally getting caught up in a video game, working so any hours of overtime they sleep most of Sunday, spending the day working on their yard or truck. So there seems to be a certain ADHD, of sorts, that they are going so many directions they tend to just...forget. We find that often if we text and remind them of upcoming service, probably 90% of the t
    1 point
  41. I think we’re getting a bit off topic here, and the repentance reference will likely take it further off. Let’s keep this thread to the technology subject; if anyone would like to discuss repentance/doctrine or issues in churches, they are welcome to start new threads.
    1 point
  42. Family integrated churches don't have this problem, because the parents don't send their children off into rooms with strange adults. The definition of "strange" is anyone who is not your immediate family. If you don't have a youth pastor, he cannot molest your children. On top of that, churches are warming up to the sodomites, even putting them in children's ministries. Run out of that church as fast as you can.
    1 point
  43. While I believe that repentance is necessary for salvation (not going to discuss that in this section), I don't think that the problem of millennials leaving the church is a pastor thing, but Christians in general. We as Christians should be studying the Bible and know why we believe what we believe. It should be for every Christian, not just the pastor.
    1 point
  44. When I first became a pastor, there were no deacons, just 'trustees', because we were small, and they were there for business purposes. I have since done away with the official state business aspect, got rid of the 501C3 aspect of the church, and so no trustees. While still too small to worry about deacons, once I had considered it, and they balked at the idea that, A, they weren't going to be a board who decided what did and didn't go on at the church and run the pastor's ministry, and, B, that their primary job was to take things OFF my shoulders and take over in various duties like visitati
    1 point
  45. The clear initial problem here is that deacons ran the church. Deacons are there to assist the pastor, to take certain responsibilities off his hands so he can minister in prayer and the word-when deacons boards began to run things, that's when church leadership went awry.
    1 point
  46. This is why they and everyone else leaves: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” - 1 John 2:19
    1 point
  47. Well said bro. Scott. I also have to wonder about how many of these have been under the influence of Easy Believism and a quick prayer to "Invite Jesus Into Your Heart".
    1 point
  48. The pervert is married with children and still took him less than a year in his role to start manipulating children. Sick. Romans 3:18 there is no fear of God before their eyes.
    1 point
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