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  1. Pastor Scott Markle

    Calvanism

    Hmmmm, to me that does not seem Biblically valid. Since this debate concerns the doctrine of the gospel, if one or another side is wrong, then they are "accursed" according to Galatians 1:6-9; and I for one could not comfortably engage in ministry fellowship with those whom the Lord our God has pronounced as "accursed."
    4 points
  2. And so it goes with conventions, associations and fellowships; none of which were, or are authorized by Scripture or the God of Scripture. All of these are man-made institutions and subject to all of the sin and apostacy of the human mind.
    4 points
  3. You just may be an independent Baptist if you can't agree on what being a Baptist means.
    3 points
  4. Hasn't shaken me in a bit.
    3 points
  5. DaveW

    Herding cats.....

    Or dealing with people..... I need no advice, no rebuke, no encouragement - the purpose is to give you a laugh, because that's about all that can be done. I have been preaching verse by verse through a book for adult Sunday School. Someone said to me that they don't come to Sunday School because they don't like that style of preaching. Morning service I am preaching through a list of questions that people put on a list for that purpose. Someone said to me that there has been some discussion and 'a few people' have mentioned that they are getting more out of the SS series than out of the "snippets"( their word) I am doing for the morning service, and that I should swap them. And apparently I am preaching too much about salvation. Yep, you read that right. Last few week's messages have had a mention of salvation, but as a portion, not the focus. You can please some of the people some of the time....... but you can't slap any of them anytime.
    3 points
  6. Salyan

    The number of a man

    Konstantin, either engage in respectful dialogue, or cease and desist. Name calling is the sign of a poor argument.
    3 points
  7. Now that IS funny, PastorMatt! Love it! These Scriptures STILL don't prove your point. I believe your hermeneutics are way off here. But, as I've stated, it's not worth wasting time arguing about. It's a diversionary tactic of the adversary.
    3 points
  8. 6:66 PM
    3 points
  9. Wearing a mask is comparable to wearing a strip of window screen. The actual Corona Virus particles are SMALLER than the weave of any mask used to prevent it; so where is the protection for wearers or non-wearers? ***************************** Wear a mask Sneeze in your elbow Stay home Don't touch your face Wash your hands Sterilize everything you touch Don't visit anyone, including family Stand six feet apart Limit your time in public to lessen infection Forbid any gatherings of more than X number of people Forcibly close any and all institutions that do not comply Does anybody see a concentrated agenda to isolate people from each other? We, as humans are a social species and isolation can have severe consequences. When was the last time you saw someone smile, or not be afraid to greet someone else? Mandatory vaccination for all looms on the horizon. No comply = no travel. no comply = no buying. no comply = no selling. no comply = business shut down. no comply = no access to any services. Covid19 = A grand global conspiracy experiment to control people. It is very possible that The Mark of the Beast will be implemented in a manner very much like this; and millions will willingly comply through fear, apathy and ignorance. 1 John 4:18 (KJV) There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
    3 points
  10. Are you monotone? Not really, but I'm sure there have been times I have Are you loud in emphasizing your points? Yes and no. Sometimes when I get into the message I get loud Do you preach from notes, or off the top of your head "as the spirit leads" you? I always use notes. Notes cover my points, subpoints, Scripture and illustrations. How long is your typical sermon? 30-45 minutes
    2 points
  11. When you preach what is your style of presentation? I almost always preach expository, or textual (mostly expository). When I teach, it is more topical. I never do narrative sermons, it's just not me. Are you monotone? I'm not monotone by any means. I'm a very expressive person, and my preaching follows. I talk with my hands and emphasize a lot. Are you loud in emphasizing your points? Occasionally. I don't ever intend on being loud. I try to always pray beforehand that the Lord will help me deliver the message exactly the way I need to deliver it. I pray if I need to be loud, that it will be portrayed as passion, and not contention. I pray if I need to be quite, that it will be meditative, and not boring. Do you preach from notes, or off the top of your head "as the spirit leads" you? I almost always use notes, though I can preach without them. My notes, however, are just the basic points, subpoints, and Scriptures. How long is your typical sermon? I generally preach until I'm done. But now, starting a new church (we had our first service a month ago), I have been making it a point of only preaching 30 to 35 minutes. My longest message that I'm aware of was 1 hour and 58 minutes. So basically I'm all over the place on time.
    2 points
  12. They are replacing the old time religion with a new age one. They are replacing sinners with racists and the only racists will be whites and blacks who dare leave the progressive plantation.
    2 points
  13. Salyan

    Calvanism

    I suppose neither were first, as both streams of theology Originate from more recent founders. The Bible position would have been first.
    2 points
  14. I been in those services before and might even have been guilty of doing this.
    2 points
  15. You might be independent Baptist if this is your favorite joke..... "Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over." ~ Emo Phillips
    2 points
  16. "You can always test the quality of religious teaching by the enthusiastic reception it receives from unsaved men. If the natural man receives it enthusiastically, it is not of the Spirit of God." A. W. Tozer
    2 points
  17. I've often wondered, based on Hebrews 10:25, if churches should be meeting more often than what they have traditionally. As the day gets close, i.e. the Rapture, we are supposed to be assembling more often because the temptation to fall away becomes greater and greater.
    2 points
  18. you get upset because someone took the last piece of Chicken at the church potluck.
    2 points
  19. You cause a church split over a Christmas tree in the lobby (happened in a friend's IFB church).
    2 points
  20. I am a Trump supporter, and thought, as a President, he was one of the best, and was never given the chance to really do for the country what he hoped to do. I also believe those who opposed him and hounded him continually specifically to not let him work for the country will pay one day. That being said... I agree that the Lord ordains the powers that be. Trump wasn't a perfect man, he wasn't the messiah and possibly isn't even born again, as he seemed to approach Christianity much the way he does secular success. I believe Biden is president now, that even IF they cheated to get him in, the Lord allowed, or even ordained it so, and it is HIS reasoning as to why He did so. If they cheated to get Biden in, I am comforted when I consider what happened to Athaliah in Israel, who murdered all the royal seed, (except for missing one, preserved by the Lord and His priests) and usurped control of the throne, but only for a time, and was eventually taken and put to death, even as she screamed that it was treason. So, knowing the Lord ordains, and we are to pray for those he has ordained to the powers that be, I ray for him and the administration, for their salvations, for their blessings, and their wisdom to be of God. I am not a Calvinist by any means, but i DO believe that through even our choices, which God knows beforehand, His will shall ultimately be accomplished, so I need not worry for the future, no matter who is President.
    2 points
  21. Within the IFB, I have known churches who have the 'cult" like mentality, where the pastor is not questioned, to have a disagreement is tantamount to making a person attack on the pastor, and they often have a strong group of leaders who will circle the wagons to 'protect' the pastor at all times against any questioning or accusations of wrong-doing. One of them even has a statue built of him and his wife at the church he pastored, after his death, which personally, if I went to heaven and found my former church had built me a statue, I would be pretty embarrassed. And I have known men who came out from his school, who act in the same "touch not the Lord's anointed" attitude. I believe in the authority of the local church, and the authority a pastor ought to have over a local church, but at the same time, the pastor is still just one of the sheep who has been given a responsibility to care for the other sheep of their local flock, and he ought not think himself unquestionable, but always willing to discuss issues of disagreement, properly with Bible in hand. I have been known to be wrong, and no one has it all figured out yet.
    2 points
  22. Yes, that still exists today, and that's one reason why I'm an Independent Baptist. Obviously I'm accountable to God first and foremost, but I am also accountable by our members. As a church we vote on the budget, where money gets spent, who the pastor is and other things that's outlined in our bylaws.
    2 points
  23. It is difficult to be harmless as doves these days, because culture is continually changing everything about itself on almost a daily basis. What was once racist, like segregation, is now enlightened, so long as people who used to be segregated by force now segregate themselves willingly. Once it would have been considered racists to erase cultural icons of color, like Aunt Jemima or uncle Ben, or the Land O' Lakes Indian maiden, (created by a native American artist), while today, they are erased because people think they images are racist, while disregarding what the actual people behind the icons accomplished, (like the woman behind Aunt Jemima). How do you keep up with a culture that has no boundaries, nothing sure to hold to? So the bottom line is, we hold fast to the word, and preach it without apology, kindly but firmly, and understand that the world has always been, and always will be, offended by the truth of God's word and the gospel.
    2 points
  24. Well, probably more than 90% of the time yom is used, it is referring to a literal day. But let's ignore yom for a moment, and look at "evening" and "Morning", in relation to each day. Evening is the Hebrew word "ereb", and the definition of that word is: "Evening, night, sunset". Out f 137 instances in scripture, only 3 are given another meaning, once as 'Arabia" and twice as "mingled". So 134 times it literally means evening or sunset or night. Morning s the Hebrew word "boqer", with a definition of: "morning, break of day, morning, of end of night, of coming of daylight, of coming of sunrise, of beginning of day, of bright joy after night of distress (fig.), morrow, next day, next morning" It is used 205 times in the OT, 191 times it literally means "morning". So when Yom is defined by ereb and boqer, which are both very explicit and literal in their meanings of evening and morning, yom must of necessity refer to a literal day. As far as two creation stories, I am surprised you believe that; this is an argument most atheists use to try to disprove the Bible, because they have no understanding of the word. Simply, as has been mentioned before, Chapter 1 is an overview of the entire creation, while chapter 2 begins God's relationship with Man, and describes the details of day 6. God creates one of each kind of land animal and bird for man to see and name, and to see that none will suit him as potential mate. Notice, God DIDN'T create any fish whatsoever in chapter two, no sea life at all, ONLY beasts and birds. Also no mention of bugs, crawling things, ONLY beasts and birds. Odd omission if it is a separate creation account. Chapter 1: Overview of creation week, chapter 2, God dealing with man on day 6. It's like, if I was gone from work for a week, and a coworker asks me, when I get back, where I was and I say, "Oh, I went to Disneyland." So maybe in his mind, I went there, spent the week at Disneyland, and came right home. But later I give him more detail, "Well, I spent three days at Disneyland, had some time so decided to do a day at Knott's Berry farm, since its close, spent a few hours at the beach, visited my cousin who lives in Orange county, stopped by to see my old house where I lived, then came home" Is he now going to accuse me of telling an entirely different version of my trip? Or will he understand that I am just filling him in on details I didn't previously give? Clearly, a reasonable person would understand the latter. So why is it so hard to see that in scripture? We have events in the gospels that seem different, yet in reality we understand that some give more details than others, and some give events others don't give, so we can get the larger picture through them all. And that's not unusual, as we get account of the same events in 1&2 Kings and 1&2 Chronicles, and even some of the prophets give accounts of some of those events, and in some we see different details, and we can understand that, so why is it difficult to understand this concept with 1&2 Genesis?
    2 points
  25. Okay, since this is the topic that helped create this new thread, let me say that time is definitely mentioned. "In the beginning..." To have a 'beginning' necessarily implies the presence of "time". This is, in fact, the start of time, the beginning. Contained within the first verse is the very triune creation: In the beginning (time), God created the Heaven (Space) and the earth, (matter). At the first, God created time for things to occur, space to put His creation, and the first piece of physical creation. There can be no beginning without time.
    2 points
  26. 2 points
  27. Another argument against the viewpoint that states the days are 1000 years long (or any other indeterminate amount): Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Each day had an evening and a morning. If each period of sunlight (light until day four)* was not 12 hours and each period of night was not 12 hours, then all life would burn up during the 500 years of sunlight and freeze solid during the 500 years of darkness! *Creating light before creating the sun and all other secondary light sources (moon and stars) proves that the Lord God is the source of all life, not something else He had created.
    2 points
  28. I'm saving my replies for June 16th.
    2 points
  29. Bouncing Bill

    Calvanism

    I was predestined to believe in free will.
    2 points
  30. Thank you Brother Scott for this correction, I stand corrected. This archaic spelling always irks me when it is so easy to post normal every day spelling. For me this kind of thing makes Scripture difficult to read and comprehend. I don't know about anyone else, but I get bogged down in zeroing in on the spelling at the expense of the actual Scripture. To Konstatin, my sincere apologies for my misunderstood reprimand.
    2 points
  31. With all due respect, you are not making any sense nor are you keeping anything on topic which is causing confusion. If you want to go with the same logic you provided in the quote above, then I would say also that God is not the author of confusion. Maybe it's a language barrier, if that's the case just let us know. "I freely follow this link" The Bible
    2 points
  32. Just letting you know there is an issue. It's not a matter of being lazy on my part but rather you checking to see why they would be flagging your site and fixing the security/safety issue for those considering visiting your site. https://bitly.com/a/warning?hash=2rBNOLS&url=http%3A%2F%2Fk-y.in.ua%2Fimage%2Fcache%2Fcatalog%2Fi%2Fqwe
    2 points
  33. I believe Jonah did not die in the belly of the whale - but him being inside the belly of the whale for three days and three nights was a type (picture) of the Lord Jesus Christ being in the heart of the earth (ie. dead) for three days and three nights. J. Vernon McGee is of the opinion that Jonah did die. From what I can recall, this book was pretty good, though it has been between 15-20 years since I read it. http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/OTStudies/JonahDeadorAlive/tabid/114/Default.aspx
    2 points
  34. Unless.......I become a missionary to fans at NFL games. Anyone want to take me on for support? I think I'm on to something here. lol
    2 points
  35. Yeah, that wouldn't look good. "Where's Pastor Matt today? Is he at a missions conference?" "No". "Is he preaching at a revival?" "No." "Is he caring for a sick family member?" "No." "Well, where is he today?" "He's at the Patriots game!"
    2 points
  36. I never did, so, still don't. Guess I didn't really need to post, but I need the attention. Sports: Bleah!
    2 points
  37. Each province is a little different, but generally speaking, no. BC has forbidden non-essential travel between health regions. There are check stops set up on some major highways in the south (it's very mountainous, so these highways really are the only way through) where police are stopping people. It sounds like claiming essential travel gets you through okay, but I wouldn't want to drive an RV. BC churches are meeting outside only, last I remember. Alberta is usually the Texas of Canada, and has a 'conservative' government, so the fact we're seeing the restrictions we are is ridiculous. We're actually getting more closed down, and the government keeps changing the goalposts for reopening. They claim that if 75% get vaccinated, they'll 'start' to reopen. We have 48% half vaccinated (don't ask me my opinion on this!) and 3.5% fully vaccinated. Vaccination status is beginning to affect access to places like seniors' homes. We are still at 15 people allowed for church services, 15% capacity in retail, and some types of small businesses/gyms/etc. shut down. Schools flip-flop between online and in-person learning - always with masks. Restaurants can have take out only. 8 weeks ago, restaurants were open for dine in service - then they shut that down but allowed patios. Many restaurants spent thousands of dollars (after a year with multiple months of closures) to put in patios - then the government closed them down for pick up services only. This doesn't work in highly rural areas, where one can drive 30-45 minutes from the restaurant to their home. Many restaurants and places dependent on tourist income are already closed for good - but Costcos and Walmarts with active outbreaks can stay open. (For the record, Alberta is running PCR tests at such a high number of cycles that our 'positive' cases are likely well over 50% false positives.) Funerals & weddings are allowed 15 - no reception, and last week, outside social gathering sizes were reduced from 10 to 5. Cities are worse - Edmonton has its own private masking requirements that require people visiting the zoo OUTSIDE to wear masks. We are getting more closed down, not less. Last week, the government removed many of the masking exemptions, and required doctor's notes for anyone wishing exemption (the list of approved reasons for mask exemption is very small). The strong conservative feeling is that they are trying to force the small businesses to close. The liberal government is beginning to discuss a Universal Basic Income. There was an attempt by bureaucrats in the Parks Department to implement drone use to monitor back-country camping during long weekends - to make sure people aren't gathering in groups that are too large. That was probably not approved by the appropriate Minister, and it was rescinded very quickly after it was found out by the media (for once, even the very liberal media, which usually functions as a propaganda arm of the government, was a bit shocked). The injunction Pr. Tim was arrested under was verbally changed the week before his arrest to exclude the clause under which he was arrested. Our health service department (AHS) is fighting hard to say that since the change wasn't yet documented, it should still be valid. It took a while to get him out (he was released yesterday), since the release conditions he was originally offered were not something he could agree to in good conscience (haven't heard what they were, but are probably similar to what Pr. Coates of GraceLife were given - he spent 5 or 6 weeks in jail before realistic conditions were negotiated). Their church building has been ordered closed by AHS. They will likely be looking for another place to meet (if they go back, the locks will be changed on the building, and Pr. Tim & possibly their other elder will be rearrested). I would like to know how unlelected health services became so powerful! The fear of death in the world must truly be immense. This is a political response, not a spiritual one, but I wish the churches in this province would see the importance of publicly acknowledging their religious requirement to meet corporately, and to sing. So many think they must obey the government, but don't seem to see the long-term implications - so they are following all restrictions. Many have not met in-person or fully corporately for a year (this is broad-brushing across all denominations, not specific to IFB). We are the only IFB church in our circles to be publicly fully open... I know a couple more at least that are meeting corporately in secret or inconspicuously, and others fully follow the restrictions. If more stood up, it would make it difficult for the government to devote the amount of resources to them all that are currently being used to target the few. Of those that see the importance for corporate worship, the number of underground churches is growing. Think about that. Canada has underground churches. And pray for our peace in this time. I know we don't compare to other regions of the world, and we are not really being specifically targeted for persecution (ask any gym or restaurant!), but in a country that still claims freedom of religion, assembly and association, it's really hard to reconcile. That was a VERY long response - sorry! I guess I had a lot to say.
    2 points
  38. I don't see anything in scripture for or against conventions but I do know that any man-made group, organization or body will decline and apostatize over time especially if there's money and resources (which equal power) involved. What's happening in the SBC has nothing to do with "equality" or setting right the wrongs of the past it's just one big monetary shakedown part of the larger picture that's going on in America. If you don't believe that look at the co-founder of BLM who in her fight for "equity" (not equality she already has that) bought four mansions with white fragility money in the whitest neighborhoods she could find.
    1 point
  39. When you preach what is your style of presentation? I usually preach a passage and apply the main points to the person listening. Are you monotone? NO. I usually try to preach calmly and conversationally but authoritatively. Are you loud in emphasizing your points? Only occasionally when its natural to do so. I don't do it as part of a "preachers rhythm". Do you preach from notes, or off the top of your head "as the spirit leads" you? I usually make study notes that I refer to occasionally for verse references, main points or notes. However when preaching examples and applications are based somewhat "off the cuff style" but with passage and notes as reference points. How long is your typical sermon? Typically an hour or so when preaching chapter by chapter but if topical no more than 45 min. https://www.youtube.com/myfractalsoflife/
    1 point
  40. I totally agree, @SureWord. The SBC is splintering, and has been for several years now. The "splinters" are getting bigger as we type! My wife and I have been praying and conversing about leaving the SBC, though we love our SBC church. I'd like to be back in a more conservative church with a true mindset of serving the Lord instead of following a man. Litton is allegedly a good man at heart. I don't know. I've never met him or conversed with him, and I find the opportunity to do so highly unlikely anytime soon. Conventions and "fellowships" are very bad for the body of Christ. I've never been in favor of them, and was glad to get out of them when I left the BMA and when we left the GARBC and the IFFB. So thankful that there are many good churches in these groups who still stand for the Word of God and for following the Great Commission. But, I'm finding the being INDEPENDENT of all of these conventions and fellowship is the better way to go.
    1 point
  41. Baptistsenior

    Calvanism

    I admit that I may have misunderstood your meaning. Being old or a women was only meant to show that I am not a pastor, theologian, etc. I'm just a old time Baptist that is still trying to learn. as the anabaptists etc of the past, I don't fit in either of those two belief systems. It seems to me that both are spawns of catholicism
    1 point
  42. Musician4God1611

    Calvanism

    I actually knew of (did not know her personally) a woman that did not believe she was one of the elect. She still felt like it was her duty to witness to try to help the elect find their way to the "truth".
    1 point
  43. I was baptized into Mormonism when I was 9. My father is a Mormon but more of a nominal Mormon. I think he's more an agnostic. The hardcore Mormons are very self righteous and have strange beliefs that are hard to get around. First you would need to convince them Jesus was more than an angel. They will call him the Son of God but their understanding of the term is nowhere near biblical. Jesus is more of an glorified angel, brother of Lucifer. So really you would be wasting your time it would be like conversing with a Muslim whose Jesus is not our Jesus. The problem is they use the same terms as us but very warped and anti-biblical. The Book of Mormon speaks of being born again but it's nothing like the bible. When I first got saved (I was not a faithful Mormon) and some Mormon missionaries came to visit my parents I had a tract that I read to them which was "What Must You Do to Be Saved?" and there was a checklist of things I read off to the boys (most missionaries are just boys) and they would answer yes and no then when I read the answer shock came over their face. There's nothing you can do but believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. I had no idea the tract was going to say that. I just recently called on the name of the Lord. My point is if you do witness keep it sort and to the point that salvation is a gift not earned by good works. As far as JWs I once had a couple come to my door and I gave them a tract about hell and witnessed to them the woman was nodding in approval to what I was saying but the older man took both tracts, gave her a scowl and then they departed.
    1 point
  44. I know the feeling. lol You just might be an independent Baptist if.... ... if the song leader says.. Please stand, you can't sing Standing on the Promises while sitting on the premises.
    1 point
  45. Maybe Online Baptist will be part of the dark web for tribulation saints...
    1 point
  46. Then you're not rightly dividing the Word. And I believe you meant to use the words 'science, FALSLY so called." Correct? You can't set forth Biblical doctrine if you're not exegetically doing so. In my opinion, you're misrepresenting the Word of God, and trying to lead people here astray. This shows you're not being led by the Holy Spirit, either. I don't find that acceptable. I think most have already seen the less than accurate way you show your theories. Yes, they are, and it isn't very responsible of them.
    1 point
  47. SureWord

    Calvanism

    Start a new thread because it could get way off the OP topic
    1 point
  48. Grieving is understandable. What a difference salvation makes when it comes to losing loved ones on this earth.
    1 point
  49. Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. Konstantin, what part of no man knows the day or the hour do you not agree with? By the way, that is the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, who stated that. If you disagree with Jesus and His Word, then your opinions are just vain philosophy.
    1 point
  50. Thank you. I have always respected those that are willing (if capable) to travel a distance to church.
    1 point
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