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  1. Brother Scott, please rest assured that you are not talking into the air on this subject and as I read your thoughtful comments on this subject, I have to say that I agree with them in total. And this is not in agreement just because you brought it out, this has been my understanding for many years. Though I say this has been my understanding, I have to say that you have laid it out in a much easier manner to understand than I ever could. I have always believed the underlying point that The Holy Spirit is the "witholder", but lacked the expertise to elaborate on it in the manner in which you have. Thank you for clarity of mind and explanation.
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  2. When did Adam and Eve eat meat? The Bible says nothing about them eating meat, Adam tilled the earth, he was a gardener, as He was created to be. "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;" (Gen 3:17, 18) Cain was a gardener, as well. Abel raised flocks, but we don't see anywhere that they ate of the meat-we know he used them for sacrifices, and they probably used the wool for clothing, and possibly drank the milk, but we see nothing about anyone eating meat until after the flood, and that was probably because, during the flood, much of the minerals in the soil were washed into the oceans, and the best way to get the vitamins we needed was through the animals, which produced those vitamins from the depleted soils much more efficiently than we could.
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  3. I think the word "heretic" is often thrown around far too quickly and easily. It's an overused word. This is the first book of Dallas Willard's that I'm reading, and only because it's part of an instructional session. He's got a lot of good material in the book, and I know how to discern between good and bad doctrine, as I'm sure others do as well. If you feel like this thread is misleading, you might be the only one. I simply asked a question and mentioned the books I was reading. I find this typical HYPER-fundamentalist in attitude...I'm sure you've probably read books that didn't fit every detail of Baptist doctrine. Take the meat and leave the bone.
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  4. If it's so effective for the "prevention" of covid...why all the breakthroughs? It doesn't stop a thing. Continue to post your support for the government cesspool, BB...some of us know better.
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  5. Brother "SureWord," I am pondering on how to proceed in answer to your question. It may yet be some time, since I still have to answer Brother Mike's question concerning Revelation 14:15-16.
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  6. In my previous two postings, I have handled to last two questions on this list. In this posting I wish to engage the first three questions on this list. Since I have indicated my position in an earlier posting that the "Revelation-Coming of Christ" and "the day of Christ" are the same event, I can merge the first and third questions above - Is the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" the same as the "Revelation-Coming of Christ"/"the day of Christ," or are these two different events? In order to answer this question, we really need to answer the second question above - Do we have some indicator throughout the context of 2 Thessalonians 2 for viewing the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" as occurring at a different time than the "Revelation-Coming of Christ"/"the day of Christ"? (Note: If we do not, then I would be compelled to concede that the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" and the "Revelation-Coming of Christ"/"the day of Christ" are one and the same, and that they occur at the end of the seven year Tribulation Period.) In answer, I believe that we do have such an indicator. As we have noted, according to the teaching of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8 the "Withholder" must be "taken out of the way" first in order for the "man of sin" to be "revealed in his time." Even so, in my previous posting I have presented the reasons why I hold that the "Withholder" is specifically the Holy Spirit of God as our "Anointing," as the "Indweller" of New Testament believers. Thus for this "Withholder" to be "taken out of the way," at that event the Holy Spirit would cease to be the continual "Indweller"/"Anointing" for all believers. This would NOT necessitate that the Holy Spirit would cease to exist and work among mankind upon the earth. Rather, it would mean that He would cease to indwell believers from the moment of conversion unto the moment of death. From that moment the working of the Holy Spirit among mankind would be like that of the Old Testament time period, rather than that of the New Testament church age. Now, there seem to be two ways in which this "taken out of the way" might occur. On the one hand, the first possibility is that the Holy Spirit would be removed from New Testament believers as their Indweller, but the New Testament believers would remain on the earth. However, this possibility would seem to stand in contradiction with the teaching of the New Testament concerning the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit for New Testament believers, as per John 14:16-17, Ephesians 1:13-14, etc. On the other hand, the second possibility is that the Holy Spirit as the Indweller of New Testament believers would be removed from the earth specifically because all New Testament believers would themselves be removed from the earth. So then, is there any event presented in God's Word wherein all New Testament believers are removed from the earth? Yes, for it would seem that the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" would fulfill this occurrence. Even so, if this is a correct thought process and understanding, then the event wherein the "Withholder" (the Holy Spirit of God as the Anointing/Indweller of New Testament believers) is "taken out of the way" is Biblically equivalent to the "Rapture-Coming of Christ." As such, the ordering of prophetic events from 2 Thessalonians 2 would now be as follows: 1. A "falling away." 2. The "withholder" himself is "taken out of the way" - "the Rapture-Coming of Christ." 3. The revelation of the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" - The beginning of the seven year Tribulation Period. 4. The blasphemy by the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" - The middle of the seven year Tribulation Period. 5. The "day of Christ," "the Revelation-Coming of Christ" - The destruction of the "man of sin," "the son of perdition" - The conclusion of the seven year Tribulation Period. According to this understanding, we do indeed have some indicator throughout the context of 2 Thessalonians 2 for viewing the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" as occurring at a different time than the "Revelation-Coming of Christ"/"the day of Christ." Indeed, we have an indicator that the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" is equivalent to the event wherein the "Withholder" is "taken out of the way" such that the "man of sin," the antichrist, "might be revealed in his time." Furthermore, if we accept that the revelation of the "man of sin" occurs at the beginning of the seven year Tribulation Period (as I have contended in an earlier posting), then the "Rapture-Coming of Christ" would occur immediately before that revelation and that beginning. However, there are certain points of understanding that must be acknowledged in order for this conclusion to "fall into place." First, the point that the "Withholder" is specifically the Holy Spirit of God as Indweller would need to be acknowledged. If an individual does not agree with this point, then that individual would NOT come to the same conclusion concerning the placement for the "Rapture-Coming of Christ." Second, the point that the revelation-event for the "man of sin" occurs with the beginning of the seven year Tribulation Period would need to be acknowledged. Again, if an individual does not agree with this point, then that individual would not necessarily come to the same conclusion concerning the placement for the "Rapture-Coming of Christ." (Note: This is the reason that I handled each of these two points with specific postings.)
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  7. So, I decided to look up all verses with the word "dew" in them. The first few in the Bible are interesting: (Gen 27:28) Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine: (Gen 27:39) And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above; (Exo 16:13) And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host. (Exo 16:14) And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground. (Num 11:9) And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell upon it. (Deu 32:2) My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: (Deu 33:13) And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the LORD be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath, (Deu 33:28) Israel then shall dwell in safety alone: the fountain of Jacob shall be upon a land of corn and wine; also his heavens shall drop down dew. I don't remember ever seeing the two in Genesis before. I know I've read them because I've read the book of Genesis several times, but these verses never stood out to me, and then they are "recapped" in Deuteronomy 33:28. Will have to look closer at this!
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  8. THAT's gonna be a beautiful trip! I didn't realize you were that close! Cool beans!
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  9. A former UK general who was in Afghanistan came out and said Biden should be court-martialed.
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  10. I watched as Obama eliminated the best military tactical minds and leaders in favor of generals and admirals skilled in social engineering and expert in maintaining their retirement pensions. Biden was just as much at fault as Obama and is complicit in the deterioration of our military. Now there are no active generals or admirals who will stand up and tell Biden he was wrong nor were there any tactical-leaders to advise him his course of action (full retreat) was wrong and sent the wrong message. I imagine none of the Obama-Biden generals will even be asked to resign. Sadly, President Trump was stuck with these same mealy-mouthed no account generals and admirals during his first four years. I have a feeling that will change during Trump's next four years.
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  11. Did he say not to eat meat? I would like to know which verse.
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