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    Will Kinney

    John 6:11 Who fed the 5000?

    John 6:11 KJB - “And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed TO THE DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would.” ESV (NASB, NIV, NET, Jehovah Witness NWT, Catholic Douay, St. Joseph NAB, New Jerusalem bible) - “Jesus then took the loaves, and when he had given thanks, he distributed them to those who were seated. So also the fish, as much as they wanted.” All of the other passages found in the synoptic gospels show that Jesus first gave the loaves of bread to the DISCIPLES and they, in turn, distributed to the multitude of people. Matthew 14:19 - “And he commanded the multitude to sit down on the grass, and took the five loaves, and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed, and brake, and gave the loaves TO HIS DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES to the multitude.” Mark 6:41 - “And when he had taken the five loaves and the two fishes, he looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake the loaves, and GAVE THEM TO THE DISCIPLES TO SET BEFORE THEM; and the two fishes divided he among them all.” Luke 9:16 - “Then he took the five loaves and the two fishes, and looking up to heaven, he blessed them, and brake, and GAVE TO THE DISCIPLES TO SET BEFORE THE MULTITUDE.” In John 6:11 the traditional reading of the Reformation bibles in all languages is that Jesus distributed “TO THE DISCIPLES, AND THE DISCIPLES” to them that were set down” (τοις μαθηταις οι δε μαθηται) This is the reading found not only in the Majority of all remaining manuscripts but also in Sinaiticus correction, D, Theta, Psi, f13, the Old Latin b, e and j. P66, P75, Vaticanus, A and a few others omit the words “to the disciples, and the disciples”. Wilbur Pickering says that 97% of the Greek manuscripts read like the King James Bible does and that the omission of the words is just a case of what is called “homoioarcton” or “same beginning”. What most likely happened is that the eyes of some scribe skipped from the word “the” (τοις) to the next word “the” (τοις), and thus the words were accidentally omitted, and then others copied from this deficient manuscript. You can see how this could easily happen by looking at the Greek text which reads: “διεδωκεν τοις μαθηταις οι δε μαθηται τοις ανακειμενοις” “He distributed TO THE disciples and the disciples TO THE ones that were set down.” Agreeing with the reading found in the King James Bible are Tyndale 1524, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s bible 1549, the Bishops’ bible 1568, the Geneva bible 1587, Beza’s N.T. 1599, Wesley’s N.T. 1755, Worsley N.T. 1770, Haweis N.T. 1795, Young’s 1898, the NKJV 1982, The Amplified Bible 1987, The World English Bible, The Majority Text Version (Esposito), The Koster Scriptures 1998 - “and having given thanks He distributed them to the taught ones, and the taught ones to those, sitting down", . Complete Apostle’s bible 2005, Jubilee Bible 2010, New Heart English bible 2010, The Hebrew Names Bible 2014 - “he distributed to the talmidim, and the talmidim to those who were sitting down”, Wilbur Pickering New Testament, the Modern English Version 2014, the New Matthew Bible 2016 and The Passion 2017. Foreign Language Bibles = KJB Reading like the KJB with “to the disciples, and the disciples” are the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Cipriano de Valera 1602 and the Reina Valera 1960-1995, the Italian Diodati 1649 and the New Diodati 1991 - “li distribuì a’ discepoli”, the French Martin Bible 1744 and the French Ostervald 1996 and the French Louis Segond 2007 - “il les distribua aux disciples”, the Portuguese A Biblia Sagrada and the Portuguese Almeida Corrigida - “discpulos, e os discpulos”, The Russian Synodal Version - “ученикам, а ученики”, Luther’s German bible 1545 and the German Schlachter Bible 2000 - “den Jüngern aus, die Jünger aber denen”, the Hungarian Karoli Bible - “adta a tanítványoknak, a tanítványok”, The Polish Gdansk Bible 2013 - “rozdał uczniom, a uczniowie siedzącym”, and The Romanian Cornilescu bible 2014 - “le-a împărţit ucenicilor, iar ucenicii le-au împărţit celor ce şedeau jos”. The Modern Greek Translation - “Και ελαβεν ο Ιησους τους αρτους και ευχαριστησας διεμοιρασεν εις τους μαθητας, οι δε μαθηται εις τους καθημενους· ομοιως και εκ των οψαριων οσον ηθελον.” And The Modern Hebrew Bible - ויקח ישוע את ככרות הלחם ויברך ויתן לתלמידיו והתלמידים אל המסבים וככה גם מן הדגים כאות נפשם׃ Once again it comes down to the difference between the Reformation Bibles versus the Vatican Versions that nobody seriously believes are the inerrant words of God.
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    Even if one holds to a "tithe principle", $0 x 10% = $0. So, at $0 you've still tithed. Offerings and alms - there's another story. If the Lord leads - it doesn't matter what financial wisdom dictates (just like pre-COVID or mid-employment times) This post is intended to approach from the side of any who may hold to a NT "tithe" in an effort to avoid the thread from being sidetracked into a tithe fight.
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    Well, I do not believe tithing is a NT principle in the first place, but giving definitely is, so I will approach from that perspective: As far as, should Christians keep giving? Absolutely! As we are prospered, so we ought to give to God's work. Of course, those out of work, on furloughs, laid-off, etc, well, see to your family first; many are out of work so they cannot be expected to continue. Church expenses should be a bit down for buildings, in power usage and without normal activities, but I also know utility companies and mortgage companies are being told to give breaks during this time, as well. This is also a good time for believers to practice helping one another, as those who are still working should help see to the needs of those members who cannot right now. This is also a basic Bible principle. Brethren in need, don't hide your needs from those who are still doing alright-we need to know your plight if we are to help. Brethren who are still working, time to put basic NT tenets to work! Don't be stingy with what God prospers you with.
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    Social Distancing

    My granddaughter who is 11 on April 1st, has had to cancel her birthday party and asked if we could have family conference call on WhatsApp instead. My sister who will be 80 on 7th April has had to cancel her celebrationsas well.Her eldest son . He has written: As many as possible bring cakes with candles on and between them we could have 80 candles for mum to 'blow out' - feel free to do that if you can/want, and at the end we can all sing happy birthday, As many as possible to send me photos in advance - these need to either include a photo of mum or a picture of an event that took place during her life time - the critical thing is that you must know the year of the photo/event; you don't need to tell me but we will use the photos for a quiz on the day so then you can reveal the year once we have all had a chance t guess it. He hasn't said what platform he would be using . We usually use Messenger or WhatsApp. We stopped using Skype because the others give a more reliable service.
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    Social Distancing

    My wife and I, driving down the road the other day, observing the speed limit, albeit sitting close together (we are still in love ), when I was stopped by the local Mayor (in these trying times the local officials, governors, etc... make the rules), and he gave me a ticket, and a scolding, for not enough distance between my wife and I!
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    Social Distancing

    That's what I preached on last Sunday, my first week going streaming for the first time, so we were...separated!
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    Social Distancing

    True...and when you preach on separation.
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    Social Distancing

    I have noticed through the years, that a lot of Baptists become experts at social distancing as soon as they're baptized.
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    Social Distancing

    I'm a Baptist. I've been teaching my daughters social distancing from boys for a long time time now. lol
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