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  1. 5 points
    Jim_Alaska

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    Ok this has gone on long enough. We have rules for posting on these forums, rules that the new people in this thread have obviously not read. Here is the one pertinent to this thread: We will not allow the following c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. I am locking this thread for the above stated reason. Any further attempt by anyone to start a new thread on the same subject will be cause to ban that person.
  2. 3 points
    DaveW

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    I can only answer for the church that I am a member of, but...... Any accusations of sexual abuse (whether adult or especial involving children) will be passed on to the police to investigate. Further to this, anyone who does not have a police clearance CANNOT work in children's ministries, and anyone with a record of child molestation cannot be alone with any child at our church building. But once again, this applies ONLY to the church that I am a member of. This is a factor of independent Baptist churches being INDEPENDENT. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY ONE PERSON SPEAKING FOR ALL INDEPENDENT BAPTIST CHURCHES BECAUSE WE ARE IUNDEPENDENT. This is part of the reason that the original article of accusations is not relevant to me. As I said before, it would be like someone saying that you are responsible for the murders committed in red brick houses because you live in a red brick house. It is a ridiculous assertion. Likewise, to suggest that I can speak on behalf of (and am therefore responsible for) an independent Baptist church that I have never been to, never spoken to, have no authority over, don't even live in the same state - or for that matter country - is clearly ridiculous. I have now answered on at least four occasions both the OP and the subsequent accusation that Independent Baptist Churches are somehow not independent, and unless there is some sort of change in the questioning, there is just no point in me saying anything further. It is not a discussion if one side refuses to listen. And for the final time - any sexual abuse is abhorrent and criminal and should be dealt with by the proper authorities.
  3. 2 points
    Alan

    Bach -The Violin Concertos

    I hope you enjoy some relaxing music by Bach, 'The Violin Concertos." If any one else has some Bach favorites please feel free to add to this selection on this thread. Alan
  4. 2 points
    DaveW

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    And once again you have been answered clearly and absolutely by me. Any allegations should be investigated by the proper authorities as a criminal act. However, because we are INDEPENDENT CHURCHES - whether you like it or nor - no single person can speak for all Independent Baptist churches. You show a clear lack of understanding of what an independent Baptist church is, which makes your claim to be an independent Baptist nothing short of a lie. I am sorry to be so blunt, but you cannot claim to be a part of something that you so clearly have no knowledge of. And if you really were an independent Baptist you would understand that you arguments against the term are wrong. So once more, every independent Baptist church I personally know of would not hesitate to get the proper authorities involved with any allegation of sexual abuse. HOWEVER, as independent churches NO SINGLE PERSON OR BODY can speak for the group. Whatever you say, independent Baptist churches are not a denomination in any organised sense, and there is no spokesperson, ruling body, or organized council to speak in the fashion which you seek. Your manner, you arguments, and you mistaken understanding of what an independent Baptist church is all combine to indicate that you have nefarious motives. Speak to us plainly of your background, your affiliations, and your purpose, and we might be more keen on discussion. Many of us are more than happy to discuss with even those who are of opposing views, just so long as those people are honest and reasonable.
  5. 2 points
    Sorry, I just don't trust that you are who or what you claim to be. You have posted nothing to edify the forum. I'm finished.
  6. 2 points
    Alan

    Bach -The Violin Concertos

    I am glad that the brethren like, 'The Violin concertos,' by Bach Enjoy!
  7. 2 points
    Obviously using "appears to be" and "Protestant" shows me that you know very little if anything about Independent Fundamentalist Churches. What protestant body did we come out of?
  8. 2 points
    Both of you are all take an no give in this conversation. Despite the fact that the rest of us were forthcoming you insist on answers from us while giving none of your own. Conversations don't work that way. Tell us about yourself. Introduce yourselves and maybe we'll talk more about it and our individual church policies. As it stands the only reason you both joined was to interrogate those on the forum about this hack job of a "report" and you really have no interest in being productive members here.
  9. 2 points
    DaveW

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    And you both are ignoring the fact that no single person CAN answer your questions BECAUSE independent Baptist churches ARE INDEPENDENT. I absolutely directly answered the initial post when I said that the proper authorities should be involved - although I didn't state it, that is the policy in the church where I am. But because an independent Baptist church is independent I can not speak for any church but the one I am a member of. I can tell you that was the same for each of the three churches that I have been a member of. I have a question for the two of you. Why are you both singling out independent Baptist churches? There are many independent churches around - why exclude them? There are many church groups around - why exclude them? This singling out of only independent Baptist churches is what makes this seem fishy. We KNOW that this kind of thing is not exclusive to independent Baptist churches, so why focus on them? The Catholic church appears to have a systematic and organized way to hide and ignore the problem and not to even deal with it internally. The Anglican church has likewise had its issues with the problem. The Mormons have also has instances. The JW's have had instances. Schools have had many instances. The boy scouts have instances. And yet you both are focusing on independent Baptist churches only, even to the extent of attacking the other person who pointed out that others have the issue and to a far greater extent. My answer was absolutely, 100% applicable to the original question, you just don't want to accept it because it does not allow you to continue with your story.
  10. 1 point
    DaveW

    Introduction

    Welcome - and that is fine - we have found over time that people who refuse to introduce themselves tend to have ulterior motives for being here - and that comes out after a while. I have been here for years and most people wouldn't know what actual church I attend. It is smart to be careful, but it shows a bit of openness and good nature to introduce yourself. I think everyone is happy enough for you to leave it at "southern US and IFB". Unfortunately we get some people who come on here just to attack or to try to teach false doctrines, and they are usually reticent to share anything that might allow people to check on them on line - we had one guy who has a whole website full of false teaching, but he wouldn't tell us anything so that we could find out what his agenda was. One of the members here did some investigative work and found him and it turns out that his whole point was to try to lead people away from IFB churches. Your intro and your willingness indicate that you are here for genuine reasons, which is what we always hope, but sometimes we get burned. By the way, I am nothing official on this site - I am just another member who happens to be on at this time. 😉
  11. 1 point
    DaveW

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    I have to ask, why does it offend you so much that modesty is mentioned in this way? The actual quote where the term is used is: There is no implication that it is blaming the woman if she is not modest and is attacked. There is no implication that dressing with modesty will keep the woman from being attacked (note the use of "less likely"). There is no implication that being immodest is the cause of such attacks. But please let me ask you this - if a man is intent on making such an attack, is he more likely to attack a woman who is dressed immodestly or is he more likely to attack a woman who is dressed modestly? The line in particular that is quoted above is simply good advice, not some sort of judgemental attack. It seems to me that you are simply overreacting to what is a very reasonable statement. If I am wrong, then please point out to me where in his statement it forces the blame onto the woman? And also please keep in mind that I am absolutely 100% for criminal charges to be brought against any man who attacks any woman (or child). It is never justified for a man to attack a woman or child, just as it is never justified for a woman to attack a man or child, and it is never justified for a man to attack another man, or a woman to attack another woman, etc. Any such cases should be investigated by the proper authorities and if cause is found for charges and criminal proceeding to be commenced.
  12. 1 point
    Totoosart

    Bach -The Violin Concertos

    Bach is an all time favourite, but i adore his 'Toccata con Fuga in D minor'.
  13. 1 point
    Propovednik

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    I'm sure Potiphar's wife was considered credible too, but look how that turned out. I'm sure your family is safer in an Independent Baptist Church than just about anywhere else. We promote teaching young ladies modesty, so they are less likely to be the target of perverts. We teach that men shouldn't be alone with girls and women, to protect both sexes. You show me another institution that does more to protect potential sexual abuse victims than Independent Baptists, and I'll eat my hat!
  14. 1 point
    Propovednik

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    My thoughts are that if these allegations are true it goes to show people are still sinners and need God's grace. Do you want strangers talking about your sins online? What if the allegations are not true? How can you be sure they are true? Why should I take the word of the supposed victims over the word of the supposed perpetraitors?
  15. 1 point
    Alan

    Bach - A Composer for God

    Johann Sebastian Bach, 1685-1750, was a composer who used his talents for the glory of God in music. Bach said, "The aim and final end of all music should be none other than the glory of God and the refreshment of the soul." "O Sacred Head, Now Wounded" Lyrics included by Bach The classical music by Bach does glorify God and is able to refresh the soul. Alan
  16. 1 point
    You both claim to be Independent Fundamental Baptist on your profiles. Yet you both are demanding answers for solutions to these problems. Why don't you ask your own churches? If you want answers from us in addition to the answers your own churches then fine but first, perhaps you can introduce yourselves to the forum by posting your testimonies in the new members section. Who are you both? When and how were you saved? What churches do you go to? Are you involved at you local church? Perhaps if you both are more open about who you all are then the forum members may be more helpful. Galatians 4:20 I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.
  17. 1 point
    They are safer in an IFB church than they would be down at the bowling alley. I'd take your chances with the Bible-believers. I mean, seriously, are there child predators in the public school system? Of course there are, but the media is not emphasizing those stories. We are in the last days, and these things are all part and parcel of the conditions before the Lord returns. Jesus said that it would be as it was in the days of Lot . . . and we see the homosexual agenda almost everywhere . . . don't go into a bathroom at Target stores . . . better off, stay away from Target all together. Our local churches certainly need to be watchful, and not get themselves into a position where they have to hire people that are novices, and untested. As churches allow the state to dictate anything they do (such as in "Christian schools" the chances of bad eggs increase. But we need to face the reality that the Devil seeks to destroy the work of God anywhere and everywhere he can. Bible-preaching churches are high on his list. Not all Israel are Israel, and not all Christians are Christians, and the Devil will always have his "angels of light."
  18. 1 point
    Each IFB church is an "independent fundamental Baptist" church. They are autonomous, as there is no ruling body where all the churches report to. These churches may, and often do, belong to a "fellowship" where churches of like-minded faith and practice have a loose affiliation. What goes on in church A has no bearing on what is happening in church B, and there is no overseeing 'bishop' as you might find in a synod or presbytery.
  19. 1 point
    DaveW

    Fort Worth Star-Telegram Series

    So my answer didn't address the OP? Absolutely wrong. It just didn't address it in a way that allowed you to respond in the way you want. The point Independent Baptists are not an organized group. What happens in one church has no bearing on what another church is doing. Kinda like saying you must have an opinion on murders in red brick homes because you live in a red brick home. It has nothing to do with you except that live in a house built of the same stuff. And the manner of your question certainly does appear to be a fishing expedition. You may not have intended that, but that is the way it looks.
  20. 1 point
    Baptist_Bible_Believer

    PROFITING FROM PROVERBS

    “For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly. He keepeth the paths of judgment, and preserveth the way of his saints” (Proverbs 2:6-8 KJV). “For the LORD giveth wisdom,” now, when you find the knowledge of God as verse 5 says, then verses 6-8 will be the result. The Lord gives wisdom (James 1:5). “Out of his mouth,” out of His Book, out of His prophets, out of His preachers, out of His Spirit “cometh knowledge and understanding.” There are three things in that verse of note. Wisdom—Knowledge—Understanding. Wisdom is what you know, knowledge is how you apply it, and understanding is relating it to God. “To depart from evil is understanding” (Job 28:28). “He layeth up sound wisdom. . .” There are two kinds of wisdom over in the Book of James, godly and worldly. “. . . For the righteous,” “righteous” is a qualification. It is not just talking about somebody that is saved, but somebody that is doing right, and walking right—especially in the sense that it is an Old Testament situation. “He layeth up,” notice that expression. We lay things up for a rainy day. We often hear of folks laying something up for the future when they are going to need it. That is exactly what he is talking about—he ‘reserves” it—puts it away for you. Let’s look at some things about that. “Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal [Don’t put your heart there, don’t make that your life, because you’ll be disappointed]: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal” (Matthew 6:19-20 KJV). Here we see that same expression, “lay up.” Lay up treasures in heaven. There is a bank in heaven. You can put things up there ahead. You can prepare for the next life in this life. We are told in the Book that if we “seek knowledge,” if we’ll “listen,” what that does is to put up in the heavenly bank “wisdom” and “strength” and everything you need for a future day. When will we need it? Look at Matthew 10. The disciples were following the Lord Jesus Christ—what were they doing? They were listening to Him. What else were they doing? They were learning of Him, He said, “learn of Me.” What else were they doing? They were being like Him. They were walking after Him and doing His will. Notice what He said would happen, when He was getting ready to send them out. “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you” (Matthew 10:16-20 KJV). Do you know why Jesus could say that to those disciples? Because they had laid up something for the time when they will need it. And when the time came—and it did—there was a treasure of wisdom and knowledge laid up there to handle the situation, or the obstacle, or the hindrance that they would be faced with. So, he says, if you will learn, if you will listen, if you will apply it, if you will seek it; then God will put it up in store for you. And when the trouble comes, when the heartache comes, trials, troubles, disaster—you’ll be able to reach up into the heavenly bank and draw on that supply. And you’ll have wisdom to understand. How ridiculous is it for someone that never has time for his Bible to try to apply this promise to himself? You have to have something in there to be able to find it when you need it. That is why people end up leaving the church. Something happens in their life and they have no spiritual compass with which to deal with it. Perhaps they hear something from the pulpit, or some brother Christian says something to them that they haven’t the spiritual discernment to understand—and it just bowls them over. At the time of testing, why have they not the spiritual resiliency to bounce back? Because they have nothing laid up in store. They are ignorant of the truth because they aren’t in the Word of God. They are still carnal babes in Christ, even if they have been saved for twenty years. They haven’t got any wisdom, they haven’t got any understanding, they haven’t any about God and God’s people to be able to handle the situation; so, they get knocked out of the race. It happens all the time. It doesn’t need to. People can lay up in store in that heavenly bank for times such as these. When times of misunderstanding come, and troubles come, so they can draw on that strength, and draw on that reserve of God, to get them through that situation. “. . .be ye therefore wise as serpents,” we are sheep, there is no doubt about that. That is what God says that we are. But we don’t have to be as dumb as sheep. The sheep has to be the dumbest animal in the world. We don’t have to be dumb! We’ve got a Book that tells us about every issue of life, and how to handle every problem. That is why we are told to be “wise as serpents.” Lord, I thank you for Your presence in our lives. Truly you have given us richly all things, but especially, thank You for not giving us what we deserve. Cleanse us with You Blood as we confess before you are failures and fill us with Your Spirit for the day’s activities. Lord, make us holy, and let people see You in us. Amen.
  21. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    Online Baptist Rules

    We will not allow the following c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion. The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture. Be nice to the Moderators c) We have the right to delete any post or ban any member who we feel is inappropriate for these boards without notice. d) The mods have the right to lock any topic that they feel is not appropriate for this board. We are not a debating site like some boards, but rather a discussion board.
  22. 1 point
    Matt Souza

    Online Baptist Rules

    Board Rules For OnlineBaptist.com Members are resonsible to check this page regularly for any changes or additions that were made. Do not promote your own site, unless a) It's a personal site b) It's to help somebody find something they're looking for c) All inappropriate sites will be deleted without notice. Do not post Spam a) Spam includes advertisements, content deemed inappropriate or illegal, flooding of the boards, double posts, and posts that are posted just to bring hits to your website; b) Spammers will be banned from the boards. c) If your first post contains a link, it might be considered spam. Add links to your profile instead. Feel free to quote the Bible, if you do we ask that you use the KJV. This is done to avoid confusion. The Administrators and Moderators of this site believe that the KJV is Gods preserved Word for the English speaking people, and we ask that you respect that and use the KJV when quoting scripture. Posting a Message a) Make sure that what you are going to post is in the right forum. If you post a Prayer Request in the lounge it will be moved to the prayer request forum. Please do a search before you blame the Administration or the Moderators for deleting the post as it probably was just moved into its proper forum. b) Please do a search before posting the message to see if the topic already exists. We don't need 3 different threads to talk about 1 topic. We will lock any double threads, 1 is enough. Do not make needless, incessant usage of: a) ALL-CAPS; b) Giant fonts with ugly colors c) No Swearing or derogatory terms will be tolerated. Only one swear word deletes the whole post. Ensure that your signature: a) Remains a reasonable size; b) Does not contain excessively large images or annoying animations; c) Follows all the rules applying to posts themselves. Be nice to the Moderators a) The moderators are here to make everyone's visit more enjoyable, so if you experience any problems with abusive users, please tell a moderator. b) If you don't like the fact that the Moderators are deleting your post, don't get mad at them they are just doing what they are told. Go ahead and get mad at the Administrators instead. c) We have the right to delete any post or ban any member who we feel is inappropriate for these boards without notice. d) The mods have the right to lock any topic that they feel is not appropriate for this board. We are not a debating site like some boards, but rather a discussion board. We will not allow the following a) Bashing of other message boards. b) Bashing of your pastor or church. ** Online Baptist is a place for fellowship, disagreements you may have with others should not be handled here. c) Members that come just to argue doctrine instead of fellowship. Banning a member a) You will notice that you have a warning level. Once that reaches 100% you will be banned. b) In certain situations the Admin/Mod has the right ban members before the member reaches 100%.
  23. 1 point
    That's all that is on our sign (scripture). We've been blasted for some of the verses we've put up, too. Seems the lost don't want to read verses that aren't all sweetness and light.
  24. 1 point
    DaveW

    Baptist Church Sign Heresies

    Yep - our sign deliberately has no room for sayings. You end up scratching from something new and attention grabbing, always trying to better the last one. Some might be able to do it well, but I have better things to spend my energy on.
  25. 1 point
    I don't see why they can't just put Scripture up on the sign instead of trying to be cutesy or witty.


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