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  1. 2 points
    Pastor Scott Markle

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    1. Would you be willing to take a donation of books from Pastor Scott Markle. I know him personally, and could talk to him about it. 2. Concerning Sorenson, I do not believe that he is covenant/reformed. Would be interested to learn how you concluded that, and would suggest a recheck of the information.
  2. 2 points
    Brother Stafford

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    The first of his books I would recommend for a church library is probably the Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible & Christianity. The second would be The Discipling Church: The Church That Will Stand Until Christ Comes.
  3. 2 points
    Andrea

    Pray for our church please

    We have a candidate coming tomorrow, please pray for wisdom to know if this is the man God wants for our church.
  4. 1 point
    the following are some excerpts from a lesson I did on how to understand the bible, feel free to comment on them, I will post new points as time goes by: The word study in 2 Timothy 2:15 means to be diligent. The phrase rightly dividing in Greek has the idea of making a straight cut. It seems to give me the idea of precision. We need precision, carefulness, and diligence when interpreting the bible because it is like no other book. 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. The phrase “of any private interpretation” has been somewhat debated. One ideas is that none of the scriptures were man’s opinions and ideas, they were given by God. the other idea is that because the scriptures were breathed out by God, that we have no right to interpret them any way that we like, or in your own manner. there are a lot of people that try to make the bible say what they want it to say. 2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. That word “wrest” has the idea of bringing something into submission, or to twist something to fit your own agenda. The idea is that there are some people who take the scriptures and wrestle and try to force them into their own ideas and agenda, and they do this to their own destruction. Proverbs 2:1My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; 2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; 3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; 5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. Looking for silver and gold is something that requires a lot of diligence and definitely is not something that will be done successfully if it’s done carelessly and lazily. Just some simple points when looking for silver and when studying the bible It should be done systematically It should be studied minutely and carefully Tools should be used, and I will point you to some tools you can use in bible study it should be done persistently I say all that to say, that we should be extra careful and diligent when interpreting the scriptures, I have cringed over the years and noticed a lot of lack of diligence in interpreting the bible, whether it’s from articles I have read on the internet, or listening to what people are teaching in IFB churches. So I want to give you some principles and helps in interpreting the word of God accurately. You need to be saved 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. When a person gets saved, God gives them his Holy Spirit, and his Holy Spirit reveals spiritual truth and helps that person understand the word of God. It was amazing to me how much clearer the bible became after I got saved, if you are going to really study and understand the bible you need to get saved.
  5. 1 point
    Andrea

    Pray for our church please

    We have a pastor! Thanks to everyone for praying for us.
  6. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    That's a good thing to do. My hubs will recommend books for our folks to purchase, and we also hope that mayhap they will purchase copies of what we place in the library so they might have it at home. There are no current plans to have a school, especially since we don't even have children attending church yet, but we do want to have books available for children as well. We have an extensive personal library also, and I can't imagine people not wanting to own books! My niece is like my sister - not a reader, and not very interested in books at all. When I first was able to unpack many of our books, she was floored that anyone would own THAT MANY books - and even more astonished that they'd almost all been read (some are still on the "will be reading them" list). Heh - if only she knew that there are still boxes lurking in the garage because there just isn't shelf space. LOL Once we are able to finish my husband's office at church and get the books he wants over there, it should clear up one bookcase. Such a problem to have!
  7. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    I looked at it again - not very well noticed was the "in distinction to" in the midst of the lists. The top of the second list was covenant/reformed and so I didn't look any further. A poorly positioned comparison notation was where I got the idea. Thank you for causing me to look again. Why, yes, I think we would. If you could talk to him, that would be marvelous. (and greatly appreciated!) As to Sorenson - as I mentioned in my reply to Jordan, their listing confused the issue for me. The "in distinction to" in the middle of the two lists (the one Jordan copied, and the one that begins with covenant/reformed theology) is further down the page, so if one's screen does not show the entire list, it isn't apparent that it's a comparison list. After Jordan copied the one side, I went in to look again and that's when I saw the rest of the list and the "in distinction to." I am relieved that he is not.
  8. 1 point
    swathdiver

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    Our pastor encourages the members to maintain their own libraries at home. His was almost as large as mine until I got rid of all the secular books I've read over a lifetime! Now he's at about 3,000 volumes and I'm probably 2/3 of that. Our church's Academy has an extensive library for the children though.
  9. 1 point
    *Light*

    If You're New Here Please Read

    There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (1 John 4:18)
  10. 1 point
    Jordan Kurecki

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    Yeah Sorenson is NOT covenant theology or reformed. I don’t know where you got that idea...I mean I bought his commentary set when he was at Fairhaven and I have been using it for years, it's the commentary I go to when I DON'T want the reformed perspectives of Gill or Henry. Sorenson and Ironside are my go to commentaries when I am wanting a sound dispensational viewpoint. "The Understanding the Bible (Sorenson) is unique in that it is: Dispensational in theology Pre-Trib Rapture Pre-millennial King James/traditional-text based Baptism by immersion Six-day literal creation Literal in hermeneutics Concise style of writing Discreet use of original languages Tackles difficult passages Comprehensive and expositional Useful for pastors and laymen"
  11. 1 point
    Alan

    The Local Church.

    Jim, I appreciate you mentioning Matthew 11:11 and your comments. Alan
  12. 1 point
    Great minds! I was thinking of the Way of Life Encyclopedia. I'll have to check out the second one. It sounds good.
  13. 1 point
    Brother Stafford

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    I highly recommend Way of Life Literature. Brother David Cloud has written many, many books and they are priced very reasonably. He is an IFB preacher and missionary to Nepal. If you are not familiar with him, I cannot recommend him highly enough.
  14. 1 point
    HappyChristian

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    I have worked with both electronic and paper - and I really like electronic best. But since we are a small church, it would probably make more sense to go the paper route for now. We have a few readers in the church, so we are hoping that they will frequent the library once it's established. I'm just not thrilled about accessioning everything by hand. LOL But I am stoked about the library, so I'll "suffer" through it. I think the Dewey Decimal System is much easier and more user friendly than the Library of Congress system. I much prefer a system to just grouping as well. In fact, one of my goals is to catalog our personal library as well, some time. It was something I wanted to do with my niece, to teach her some about library science, but the opportunity never materialized.
  15. 1 point
    Salyan

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    The pastors want our church library to go electronic – but no one actually wants to sit down and check books out regularly, so it doesn’t really work. We have the old-fashioned library cards and envelopes in each book (and a secure return box, so the books can’t disappear before being rematched with their cards.) We ordered ours from a library supplier. And they are all Dewey Decimalized, because how else would I organize it? Practically, though, simply grouping them by subject and labelling the shelves would probably have been simpler and more user-friendly. I just personally hate labeling shelves - it’s so much extra work when you want to reorganize!
  16. 1 point
    Jordan Kurecki

    Suggestions and/or Ideas?

    Sorenson's Commentary on the Bible is excellent, from a IFB KJVO perspective... though the entire set is somewhat pricey.. I recommend an English grammar book, American Christians need to understand English to understand their bible! Pastor Markle's book on marriage is a great book also
  17. 1 point
    Jordan Kurecki

    the KJV translators

    The following quote is from D.A. Waite's book "Defending the King James Bible" THREE SUPERIOR KING JAMES OLD TESTAMENT TRANSLATORS. 1. The Accomplishments of Lancelot Andrews. First we will consider the Old Testament translators of the KING JAMES BIBLE and the accomplishments of Dr. Lancelot Andrews. He was the president or director of the Westminster group that translated twelve books altogether, from Genesis to 2 Kings. That was the task of Company One. a. First of all, he acquired most of the modern languages of Europe at the University of Cambridge. He gave himself chiefly to the Oriental tongues and to divinity [this is from TRANSLATORS REVIVED by Alexander McClure, p. 78]. b. Second, Lancelot Andrews' manual for his private devotions, prepared by himself, is wholly in the Greek language. You can see the man was accomplished. Many Christians today don't even have private daily devotions. Of those who do, how many do you know who have made up private devotions manuals? And of the people who have made up private devotions manuals, how many do you know who have written them wholly in the Greek language? This most certainly indicates a linguistic superiority. [op. cit., p. 86] c. Third, "Such was his skill in all languages, especially the Oriental, that had he been present at the confusion of tongues at Babel, he might have served as interpreter-general." [op. cit., p. 86] That is a great statement, isn't it? d. Fourth, "In his funeral sermon by Dr. Buckeridge, Bishop of Rochester, it is said that Dr. Andrews was conversant with FIFTEEN LANGUAGES." [op. cit., p. 87] Certainly he was a respected and superior translator. I don't know of any of these modern translators of the AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION, NEW AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION, NEW ENGLISH VERSION, etc. who are conversant with as many as fifteen languages, do you? 2. The Acumen of William Bedwell. Dr. William Bedwell was also in Company One, the Westminster group translating the books of Genesis through 2 Kings from the Hebrew into the English. Let us note a few things about him: a. First, he was justly reputed to be "an eminent Oriental scholar." b. Second, his fame for Arabic learning was so great that scholars sought him out for assistance. To him belongs, as McClure stated: "the honor of being the first who considerably promoted and revived the study of the Arabic language and literature in Europe." [op. cit., p. 101] c. Third, in Antwerp, in 1612, he published in quarto an edition of the Epistles of St. John in Arabic with a Latin version. Now, I don't know anything about Arabic, but to have an edition of 1, 2, and 3rd John with Latin and Arabic would take a tremendously capable scholar, a capable BUILDER of this building, the KING JAMES BIBLE. d. Fourth, he also left many Arabic manuscripts in the University of Cambridge, with numerous notes and a font of types for printing them. e. Fifth, for many years he was engaged in compiling an Arabic lexicon in three volumes [a lexicon is a dictionary]. [op. cit., pp. 100-101] f. Sixth, as McClure wrote: "Some modern scholars [in 1857 when McClure wrote his book] have fancied we have an advantage in our times over the translators of the KING JAMES days of 1611 by reason of the greater attention which is supposed to be paid at present [in 1857] to what are called the 'COGNATE' and 'Shemitic' languages, especially the Arabic, by which much light is thought to be reflected on Hebrew words and phrases. It is evident, however, that Mr. Bedwell and others among his fellow laborers, were THOROUGHLY CONVERSANT in this part of the broad field of sacred criticism." g. Seventh, Dr. Bedwell also began a Persian dictionary, which is among Archbishop Laud's manuscripts still preserved in the Bodleian Library at Oxford. [op. cit., pp. 101-102] This William Bedwell, with his Arabic, Persian, and other Oriental languages, was greatly superior to our modern translators. Many modern "translators" come up to a word, and in a footnote somewhere. or in an index at the bottom of the page, they'll say the meaning of this Hebrew word is uncertain; so they have some other rendition of it. Well, the meaning of it is uncertain, perhaps, to these men who were living in 1960, when the NASV came out, in 1969, when the NIV came out or in 1979, when the New KING JAMES came out; but these men who translated the KING JAMES BIBLE knew their cognate languages well. They understood these references and there was no question in their minds about what most of these words meant. It is a strange thing; yet people doubt and question the authenticity, superiority, and the knowledge of these KING JAMES TRANSLATORS. Cognate languages are simply sister languages related to Hebrew like Arabic, Persian, Syriac, Aramaic, Coptic, and so on. They are related like brother and sister. A word may not be clear, or maybe the word is what they call a hapaxlegomenon. Hapax means "once" andlegomenon means "spoken or written." This particular word was used only once in all the New Testament Greek or Old Testament Hebrew. So it is difficult to tell sometimes what these hapaxlegomena (in the plural) mean. They go to other sources to try to understand the meaning. The translators of the KING JAMES, who knew Arabic, Persian, Aramaic, Coptic, and all the various cognate languages, could go to these languages and understand very clearly. But the men living today, because they don't know these cognate languages as well [they don't know fifteen languages like Andrews for example], just throw up their hands and say the meaning of the Hebrew is not certain.
  18. 1 point
    Jordan Kurecki

    Jesus MADE Lord

    I always ask JWs if they know they have eternal life... I have never had one tell me they do, I always then quote 1 John 5-11-13 and tell them I know that I have eternal life and I then use that to present the Gospel.
  19. 1 point
    Pastor Scott Markle

    What would you do?

    Sister, I am not Brother "Swathdiver" and do not claim to speak on his behalf; however, having followed each part of this thread discussion, I do NOT believe that this comment was directed against you.
  20. 1 point
    Rebecca

    The beauty of creation

    I'm glad you like the photos. They were taken at a small village called Fu Shan, it's in SE Taiwan.
  21. 1 point
    Pastor Scott Markle

    What would you do?

    Indeed, one of the ways in which the light is able to reveal and reprove the darkness is simply by shining faithfully. (See Ephesians 5:8-13)
  22. 1 point
    heartstrings

    What would you do?

    I believe that 1 Timothy 2:9-10 is being addressed to believers. Maybe I'm wrong. I've seen church ladies and preacher's daughters, in an IFB church, come in the house of God with cleavage displayed and "slits" way up their thighs and nothing was ever said about it from the pulpit That verse should be preached from the pulpit along with verses to the men. IE "men shouldn't look.....ladies shouldn't solicit looks". Also, back in the Sunday School rooms, Godly ladies should be teaching all the younger lady-believers how to dress and behave, while Godly men teach men how to dress and behave. When all the church folk are doing right, the visitors will stand out like a sore thumb. I mean, guys, how would you feel when you walk in in casuals and everyone else is dressed in three piece suits? A little out of place huh? It's probably an even bigger deal when a woman wearing revealing clothes walks in and everyone else is dressed modestly. Just that is a huge statement to the visitor without having to say a word.
  23. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    The Local Church.

    Excellent lesson Alan. I especially like this part: "Furthermore, the name of the individual who baptized the Lord Jesus was John. The title of John was, “the Baptist.” For a New Testament church who decides to fully follow as a disciple of John, and Jesus Christ, and call them themselves, “the Baptist Church,” is a good statement of where the church stands in relationship with John the Baptist and in doctrinal matters." This is something that most leave out of lessons and even just plain conversation. They never identify a Baptist church, in name, as being identified with John the Baptist. I have recently taught this concept, both in my church and here on OB. For a New Testament church to take the name "Baptist" is an affirmation of the lineage of the church that Jesus built. It also identifies with the teaching, ministry and person of John the Baptist. It is also not without great significance that John's title of "The Baptist". was given to him by The Lord himself: Mt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
  24. 1 point
    True, but Salvation is not "Easy". Admitting you are guilty of Sin and worthy of death is one of the most difficult things. It's why only one malefactor got saved.
  25. 1 point
    Alan

    The Local Church.

    Acts 2:41-47, “The Church at Jerusalem” “Then that that gladly received his word was baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” Acts 2:41-47 Baptism “… was baptized:” The converts were baptized with physical water, being fully immersed, after salvation. Baptism after Salvation Baptism is a solemn picture of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ; Romans 6:1-5 Baptism is one of the two ordinances given to the church. The church at Jerusalem is a perfect example of how baptism is to be accomplished after salvation, not before, and not a sacrament for salvation. The sacrament of infant baptism by the Roman Catholic Church, and the practice by the Church of Christ in order to be saved, are both grave errors and are not a New Testament church ordinance. John the Baptist “Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief corner stone.” Ephesians 2:19 & 20 John the Baptist, as a prophet, and the forerunner, and baptizer, of Jesus Christ, is included as the foundation of the church. The Apostle Peter in Acts 2:22 stated, “Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.” The Apostle Peter, and the other apostles, clearly followed the teachings of John the Baptist concerning baptism. The baptism of John was by immersion: Matthew 3:13-17 and Acts 8:26-40 A New Testament church will follow the baptism of John. The practice of sprinkling, or pouring, by the Roman Catholic Church, the Presbyterian Church, the Methodist Church, and any other church, is not a New Testament church method of baptism. Those churches that reject the baptism of immersion as practiced by John the Baptist are going against the practice of the first church at Jerusalem. Furthermore, they are like the Pharisees who rejected the baptism of John the Baptist and therefore rejected the counsel of God. “And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.” Luke 7:29 & 30 Therefore, to reject the baptism of John the Baptist, immersion, after salvation, is a rejection of the counsel of God. Furthermore, the name of the individual who baptized the Lord Jesus was John. The title of John was, “the Baptist.” For a New Testament church who decides to fully follow as a disciple of John, and Jesus Christ, and call them themselves, “the Baptist Church,” is a good statement of where the church stands in relationship with John the Baptist and in doctrinal matters. “about three thousand souls” The first church at Jerusalem was a soul-winning church. A New Testament church is a soul-winning church. A church that is not a soul-winning church is not following the example of the first church at Jerusalem “in the temple“ Also, “ … and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.” Acts 5:12. Solomon’s porch was part of the Temple at Jerusalem. The first church at Jerusalem met in the Temple at Jerusalem. The Temple was a physical structure, ordained by God Himself, for public worship. For a local church to met in a building, a physical structure, for the worship of the Lord Jesus as the head of the church is following the practice of the first church at Jerusalem. Therefore, the first church at Jerusalem assembled in a building. The common practice of Baptist assemblies calling the physical structure that they meet in a “Temple” is also in accordance to the assembly location of the first church at Jerusalem. “And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.” ‘Church’ is in the singular as there was only one church in Jerusalem at the time of Acts 2:41-47 Therefore, the Jerusalem assembly was local. The preaching of the gospel, and the salvation of souls, and the addition to these souls to the church, continued on a daily basis. “apostles’ doctrine and fellowship” As a part of the foundation of the church, the Lord gave the apostles the doctrines of the New Testament that the assembled church was to believe and follow. As the New Testament was not fully written, the apostles were the instruments that the Lord Jesus used to keep the early church doctrinal correct. The So-called, ‘Apostles Creed’ The so-called, Apostles Creed, is not the “apostle’s doctrine,” as written in Acts 2:42. The Apostles Along with the other Apostles, the doctrines of the early church are more developed as Paul, Peter, James, and John, write their epistles through the direct inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of the General Assembly, the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, brethren called saints, the church as part (not replacing) of the elect of God, are more fully developed, and understood, as the Apostle Paul reveals these other aspects of the church more fully. Until the complete New Testament is written, the local assemblies listen, and follow, the teachings of the apostles. Not one time do any of the Apostles refer to a ‘Universal Church,’ or a denominational headquarters.
  26. 1 point
    irishman

    Clothing

    Genesis 3 “And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” (2:25) “And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.” (3:10) In this chapter, and in the last verse of the previous chapter, we see the main reason for clothing. Did you ever wonder why you wear what you wear? Clothing is basically to cover our shame (nakedness). In verse 7 of chapter 3, we see that they sewed fig leaves together to cover themselves, because they were naked. They did not know what it meant to be naked before this, and had no shame because of their innocence. Even after the Lord confronted them, they needed to cover their shame, and He provided the skin of the animal, the innocent one, to cover their shame. We see in this a picture of the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary. He too died to cover our shame, and in Him we are made whole again, and OBtain eternal life. The point I would like to make is that our clothing need not be ostentatious, but simple, as long as it covers us. Anything more than covering our nakedness is pride. Do we need to be adorned with the nicest apparel? Do we need diamond-studded outfits to cover our shame? Of course not. Something much more simple will do. Of course women need to dress modestly, as in Titus 2:9, but even this seems to be speaking of avoiding the showy, attention drawing, and pride building clothing that we often like to wear. It is linked to “gold or pearls, or costly array”, and speaks of dressing “humbly” as much as decently. To “feel good about ourselves” is the worlds’ desire, and ought not to be our desire when it comes to dressing. This thinking is based on pride, which is the bane of all good men and women in every generation. Back to our verses: the shame did not come until the knowledge came. They were not ashamed until after “their eyes were opened” and they became “as gods, knowing good and evil” (3:5). It is the knowledge then that brought the fear. The knowledge of what? Of good and evil: of the ability to discern between the two. This remains the crux of the matter. When we seek out the flashy, sexy, or showy type apparel, we are merely feeding our ego. This may be hard to swallow, but it is true, nonetheless. We like to offer excuses at to why we dress the way we do, we even try to make it “spiritual”, but the bottom line is pride. For our own satisfaction we want to “look nice”, when we ought to be concerned with covering ourselves. I must be fair, and say that we dress for warmth too, but that is not all the time, and even that should fit the guidelines of “modesty” and humility. Did not our Savior dress “humbly” He deserved spectacular a rOBe of purple, but wore a simple rOBe of white. Folks, be sure your pride shows in the way you dress, and in your appearance in this world; yes, others can see it, even if you will not. It’s for men and women alike. (Note: The word “modest” in Titus 2:9 means both in a moral aspect, and in a humble aspect. Here is the Dictionary definition of “modest: “ 1. Properly, restrained by a sense of propriety; hence, not forward or bold; not presumptuous or arrogant; not boastful; as a modest youth; a modest man. 2. Not bold or forward; as a modest maid. The word may be thus used without reference to chastity. 3. Not loose; not lewd.
  27. 1 point
    Alan

    The Local Church.

    Acts 16:1-5, “Churches – Established & Increased” Verse 1-6, “Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.” A Map of Paul’s Second Missionary Journey Derbe, Lystra and Iconium The Map is the Courtesy of: biblestudy.org Background After traveling north from their home church in Antioch, Syria, The Apostle Paul and Silas continued preaching the gospel and establishing churches in Cilicia. In Cilicia they turned westward towards they region of Galatia and Asia (Minor). Chapter 16:1 finds them in Derbe were they encounter a young man, Timotheus, or Timothy, that will have a profound impact on the gospel in the life of the Apostle Paul. As they traveled, and as folks got saved, they established individual churches in every location and delivered the decrees from the first church at Jerusalem as discussed in Acts 14:1-29 Important Church History Note “…they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.” A New Testament church is a continuation of the first church established by the Apostles and Elders in Jerusalem. A true New Testament church will follow the decrees, the methods, the practices, and the doctrines of the apostles as written in the scriptures. The denominations, and or churches, and or Para-church ministries, who deviate from the decrees, practices, methods, and doctrines of the scriptures, are not New Testament churches. Churches – Plural - Established “And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.” As the Apostle Paul and Silas traveled churches were established in the faith and increased in number. Although the number of churches, or local assemblies of believers, are not recorded, the scripture is very clear that they were numerous and local, and independent of any denominational authority. Also, in no manner, or fashion, was there a “universal church” established or even hinted of.
  28. 1 point
    Jim_Alaska

    The Local Church.

    This was spot on Alan. I especially liked the last three paragraphs. This lesson really tore apart the "Universal Church vs Local Church" issue. This is one thing I have always driven home when teaching about the institution named Church. And that is that when Scripture talks about more than one church, it always says "churches", it never lumps them together to indicate them as one Universal church. The word "churches" in these verses positively identifies that the word being in the plural affirms that there was more than one local church. The act of Paul "confirming" the churches is exactly correct in indicating how mission works are to be "confirmed" by their sponsoring church. I consider this of paramount importance before any mission work is to be formally organized. It is a grave mistake to just turn a missionary loose and just "rubber stamp" his work without first making sure it is a solid work, ready to be organized into a New testament Church. Thank you for putting this up, it is reassuring to hear these critical truths being taught today.
  29. 1 point
    Alan

    The Local Church.

    Acts 15:41, “Confirming the Churches” “And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.” Acts 15:41 As we study the history of the church in the book of Acts we need to remember a very important fact. Just about everywhere Paul went the unsaved Jews, heretics, and false apostles, verbally attacked him and incited mobs to cause him physical harm and embarrassment. After Paul left the area these religious zealots, false brethren, false apostles, heretics, and even brethren in the pew tried to infiltrate the local assembles and corrupt them with false doctrines. “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Acts 20:29 & 30 Paul clearly stated, “Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” As I speak, Charismatics, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons, Calvinists, Progressives, and even men claiming to be independent, fundamental Baptists, will enter local assemblies, or spew out their perverse teachings on the internet, and teach false doctrines in order to corrupt the local assembly and draw people out of the local church to their own church or entice them to be a part of their audience on the internet. Confirming Because of the need to assure that the churches already established were doctrinal correct, to give further instructions to the brethren, and to warn the brethren against false teachers, the Apostle Paul and Silas began their second missionary journey “confirming the churches.” Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary defines confirming as, “Making firm or more firm; strengthening; ratifying; giving additional evidence or proof; establishing.” i As the Apostle Paul and Silas traveled, they made more firm, strengthened, and gave additional instructions on the organization of the local churches that were already established. The Apostle Paul, through the revelations given to him and the other Apostles before the completion of the New Testament, gave additional doctrines, instructions how to establish a church, the qualifications of the pastor and other instructions as revealed to him as he met the saints and won folks to Christ. “It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.” 2 Corinthians 12:1 Furthermore, the word “confirming” clearly indicates that where a church was not established, the two missionaries established a local New Testament, independent, indigenous, church as revealed in Acts 14:21-28 Churches - Plural At the start of the second missionary journey of Paul the Apostle with Silas, went to the regions of Syria and Cilicia confirming the “churches.” The scripture is very clear that it is not just one church but more than one: 'churches' The accepted definition of “The Universal Church” is an invisible assembly of all the saved. Quite clearly, Paul and Silas did not confirm “The Universal Church” in any sense of the word. Therefore, the Apostle Paul and Silas did not confirm “the universal church,” but they confirmed several individual, local assemblies, or churches, of the saints. i “Confirming” Webster, Noah American Dictionary of the English Language. 1828. Cincinnati, OH: C.J. Krehbiel Company, 2000.
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    Missionary David Brainerd (sp?) missionary to the American Indians preached for 10 years before he got his first convert, and that convert was the man that translated for him for 10 years. I go because ALL Christians are COMMANDED to go and preach the gospel. I believe God's purpose is served even with those that slam the door in my face or curse me out. God's justice is validated at the judgement when a lost soul tries to claim, "but no one told me! How was supposed to know?." I believe God will replay all the times He sent someone to share the gospel with them and what they did with it and the messenger. I think that memory which will be with them forever, will be one of the worst torments in hell. Bro. Garry In His will. By His power. For His glory.
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