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    ​As our pastor says, you can make the Bible say anything you want if you don't care about context, common sense or truth.
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    Why does the Bible say men? It would say hybrids if they was hybrids.
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    Jordan Kurecki

    Wisdom and Guidance.

    Please pray for me that the Lord will give me wisdom and guidance, as well as that he would protect me from making wrong decisions and choices, specifically in the area of marriage. I have about 3 semesters left of college, and I am beginning to think about marriage, I know the word of God says it is not good for man to be alone, that finding a wife is a good thing, to avoid fornication let every man have his own wife, and that it is better to marry than to burn. I am horribly afraid of marrying outside of God's will. I am prone to take control and do what I want to do in areas of this nature, and I struggle so much with this because of the background I was saved out of. I need wisdom and patience. Thanks.
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    Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    Rosie, Thank you very much for your observation. Previously I have tried to do so. But, there have been several times when some of the brethren have tried to turn the study into a debate. This was due I suspect for the following reasons: (1) Since they do no believe in the literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation, instead of listening and learning, they have tried to argue over every point and thereby forced a debate situation. It is very obvious that these folks have no intention to changing their beliefs, but they do it to cause contentions. (2) Since they could not prove that the Book of Revelation is not literal, they have tried to belittle those who just want to learn and try and debate every point that I make. And, these contentious individuals have tried to teach their own interpretation of Revelation in order to prevent good, biblical, and sound interpretation of the prophetic events of the scriptures. (3) The debaters have tried to intimidate others with their forcefullness, so that some with less knowledge of the scriptures feel intimidated and therefore have not entered into the discussion. I have honestly tried, and I think have been somewhat successful, to stop the debates and to limit a contentious spirit. I will further make a better effort on the future studies on Revelation more enjoyable and less contentious over doctrine. To do so, I am asking those who have tried to debate every issue that they disagree with to stop being contentious and let other members of OnLine Baptist enter into the discussions. Thereby, we can have a more open discussion, a friendly atmosphere and a Christ-like spirit. I would like to ask all of those who post of the study of Revelation to realze that this is a study in order to learn. It is not a place to debate the issues. If you have honest questions, and seek to learn, than ask questions and do not try and teach your own interpretation of Revelation. Hopefully we can heed to abmonition of the wisest man in the world, Solomon, when he wrote, "The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: Therefore, leave off contention, before it be meddled with." Proverbs 17:14
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    How about plain Biblical sources? Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Note here plainly - there were giants. Sons of God are separate to them. The children "became mighty men...." a term which has more to do with a warrior. To try to make Giants, mighty men, and sons of God the same thing is simply to misunderstand basic grammar. The mighty men were warriors of reputation. The giants were big men. The sons of God? Often, if not always, refers to God fearing men. The only cases where it "might" mean angels are at best vague.
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    Here in Georgia (my area at least), the churches are full of Masons...FULL. Laymen, teachers, deacons, and pastors...the churches are FULL of Masons and Eastern Star members. The general view is that Masonry is a "christian" organization, but when you point out the inconsistencies with Masonry and the Bible, it falls on deaf ears and you're quickly seen as a troublemaker. I can't tell you how many times I've shaken hands during "fellowship time" at different churches and received the sissy, limp-grip, thumb-between-the-knuckle Masonic handshake. Makes my skin crawl... Two things I learned early in my preaching... If you want to have preaching opportunities where I live, then don't ever preach against... MasonsDemocratsBeen a while since I've been invited to preach anywhere around here...
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    Miss Daisy


    Posting pages and pages and pages of books or whatever is also very poor etiquette. A link with an explanation of what the link is to is sufficient. Same goes for just links to videos with no explanation.
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    Because the fonts are huge, basically an 'in your face' sort of thing. It may not have been intended that way, but that's how it appears to the one it was directed at. The original poster of those definitions could have easily re-did those to be normal sized fonts but chose not to, probably just because they didn't think to do so. I've noticed a lot of people (not just the one person from this example) when they copy paste definitions they don't re-size the fonts and so in the midst of their post there are these huge fonts like that is their main emphasis and they're 'shouting' to get that emphasis across. (all caps and extra huge fonts are both 'shouting') That may or may not have been their intent, but that is how some perceive it. Plus, in my opinion, it breaks up the flow of the post, and whether I agree with the one writing or not, when there are huge fonts, a ton of colors, or something else that breaks up the flow of the post or train of thought, I lose interest and stop reading, or skip past the part that annoys me. I've noticed that many times when something is copy/pasted from another source, the font is almost always huge. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to re-size the item copy/pasted. For example: false·hoodˈfôlsˌho͝od/noun the state of being untrue."the truth or falsehood of the many legends that surround her"a lie.plural noun: falsehoodssynonyms:lie, untruth, fib, falsification, fabrication, invention, fiction, story, cock-and-bull story, flight of fancy; lying."the right to sue for malicious falsehood"synonyms:lying, mendacity, untruthfulness, fibbing, fabrication, invention, perjury,telling stories;I simply re-sized, bolded the term to be defined, and got rid of emphasizing purple words and it took less than 30 seconds. The definition is now not as 'in your face' and the writer could go on to make whatever point it is they were trying to make.
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    Jordan Kurecki

    for those who are married

    Please be in prayer for me in this area. as young man called into preaching ministry I know the need for the right spouse is of great importance.
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    Unfortunately, there are people who will look for "examples" in the Bible of what they can twist into hybrids. I once heard a preacher use the following as an example to prove that hybrids existed in the past; therefore, they will exist again... 2 Samuel 23:20 And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two lionlike men of Moab: he went down also and slew a lion in the midst of a pit in time of snow: See, those men were part man and part lion... ​
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    Soulwinning Teens and Young people

    ​Actually, I made my point. You are addressing another point, which is fine too. The only point I was speaking to was that we all believe the saved are elect. It's the how and why which we differ on, which those questions are the beginning of the point you wanted to address. To another point, I've never yet met one of these "calvin worshippers". I've also never met a cal that didn't believe in witnessing. Previously you asked about a website for a cal Bap church I mentioned to which I have found out they have none. I was sent some recordings of a few sermons and the most recent one I listened to had the pastor, a cal, talking about how whosoever believes shall be saved and it's our (Christians) duty to take the Gospel to the lost and to witness at every opportunity. This is in line with cal preachers such as Edwards, Whitefield, Spurgeon, Mueller and others. One of the reasons some folks don't listen to anti-cals is because of the way they deliver their arguments against cals. They hear all sorts of charges but then when they investigate in person they find so many of the charges weren't true they are more open to give the cals a more attentive ear. This is similar to the old hype against doing marijuana when they used to warn of outrageous effects that even a puff of a joint could cause but when some tried a puff to see if it was true or not, and found out it wasn't, they determined there was nothing to worry about and smoked on. When dealing with the cal issue it's so much better to stick with the biblical points than to use hyperbole, argue about Calvin (which many cals know little or nothing about anyway), or to try and tell them what they think. Speak the Scripture, let the Holy Ghost do His work.
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    Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    Eric, Thank you for bringing out the fact that we will be leaving all of the personal items you mentioned (clothing, false teeth, false legs, etc...), behind when the rapture occurs. We will also be leaving behind all of the automobiles that we were driving and the tremendous amount of those automobiles will cause a tremendous amount af accidents. We will also be leaving behind all of our bank accounts, personal possessions, lawn mowers and other equipment that will be still operating when we leave. This aspect of the second coming is true. Thank you very much for bringing it out. The items left behind will be a witness that a great event happened and that the anti-christ will tell a lie to account for the event. Revelation 1:16, "And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength." The context is when the Lord appeared to John at the start of the great vision of the seven churches and that the Lord Jesus appeared only to John in Revelation 1:16 But, the context is not the second coming of Christ in the rapture for the church. Certainly, when the Lord Jesus comes in the rapture He will appear in His glory as pictured in Revelation 1:16, but, there is no scripture (even an implication), that at that time the world will see Him in His glory. There is an indication though that the world may see a bright light, but they may not realize it is the Lord Jesus as Paul testified in Acts 9:7, "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man," Acts22:9, " And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me" In conclusion, Paul's fellow traveling companions saw a light, heard a voice, but they did not see the Lord Jesus nor were the words of the Lord Jesus clearly audibile.
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    About 2 years ago I did a series on Free Masonry, followed by Islam, followed by Mormonism -- many, many parallels and similarities within them.
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    Soulwinning Teens and Young people

    ​This is pretty reasonable but misses the real point. The biggest difference is the fruit each type bears. The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life and he that winneth souls is wise. The calvin worshippers worship his ideas because it justifies their laziness and lack of witnessing in their own hearts. Face it folks, witnessing is the by far the hardest thing we can do and the only thing that counts in Jesus' opinion and if you want that backed by Scripture, start at Genesis and finish at Revelation. The only reason anyone turns their ear to this calvin rubbish is because its relieves their fleshly desire to do nothing for God.
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    What NN posted reminds me of a town I stayed in for awhile in Kentucky. The town was run by Masons and the gathering at the Masons lodge and the local Baptist church were almost identical. I wouldn't say one can't be a Christian and a Mason since I've know a couple of Masons which have a sound testimony, both of salvation and fruits, but from what I've observed it seems most Christian Masons are of the secular variety, not born again. Over a hundred years ago there was a large group of Masons here but they moved on or died off or something. Their old lodge became a store, then some apartments and now sits mostly useless, other than for a bit of storage, needing torn down. With no Masons around it seems the local pastors, like Dave, have not been led of the Lord to preach on the matter.
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    Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    There really can't be much of a group study without questions, without some having differing views, without some having thoughts different than others, without discussion and sometimes debate. Were it not for all that it really wouldn't be a study it would just be someone either posting just the Word (which we already have in our Bible) or someone posting their understanding of what something says. While there have been some posts here of a distracting nature, overall this is one of the best Bible study threads on OB. Overall Alan has done a good job keeping this thread on track and progressing. Thank you Alan!
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    Wisdom and Guidance.

    I will lift this up in prayer. As Rosie said, if you have doubts, don't move in that direction. As Scripture says, perfect love casteth out fear. Unless the Lord gives you peace about the matter of who to marry and when, have patience and wait upon the Lord. All easier said than done, but with God all things are possible and we can do all things through Christ which strengthens us. Rely upon the guidance and strength of the Lord.
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    I am familiar with fellowship tract league. my church in Michigan gets alot of their tracts from there and they are good tracts..
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    Wisdom and Guidance.

    be sure to let God guide you in this... if you have doubts don't marry... God be with you in this
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    My hope and prayer is that some will change. That they will see that all Scripture centres on God's purposes for the blessing of all families of the earth in and through the Lord Jesus Christ. God's people, God's family, are all redeemed believers from all nations. Eph. 3:1-21
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    We have freemasons next door on one side of our church, and muslims on the other side, and JW's just down the road. I don't preach against freemasons because the Lord hasn't led me to - but there is no need in this church. A long time member was a freemason when he got saved, realised very quickly that it was unbiblical, and left. Anyone mentions it - or if he notices - he is very quickly onto them. It is discussed at times as well.
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    Comment On Current Debate

    ​*You are thinking the word "the" with the long 'e'? As if it was the 'one and only' maybe? ('thee' in sound) But I meant it as a regular 'the' not meaning to imply a 'one and only' the. **Yes, I can explain. On thinking back - I should have said those verses were a foundation for Israel's purpose being to bring salvation to all mankind. And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The common teaching is that the seed of the woman is Jesus Christ, and that he will 'bruise' the devils head. The outcome of that verse is what followed later to fulfill that issue - the Lord formed a relationship with Abraham and his child Isaac, and his grandson Jacob, who of course became Israel, whose sons were the 12 tribes of Israel from which the tribe of Judah Jesus Christ came, who bruised the 'serpents' head by dying on the cross for mankind's sins. Thus fulfilling his statement in the above verse. 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. I think it obvious from reading the bible that God's purpose of saving mankind from sin through his Son Jesus Christ, started at that time in Genesis, and that the OT and the NT work out a continuing flow of that whole redemptive plan. I don't negate the idea of God making a relationship with a certain people and showing them how to live and enjoy living for the Lord. But the whole crux of Christianity pivots on Jesus Christ and not a physical group of people. In my experience with people who focus SO much on Jews, calling them a special people above Christians, is that it takes the focus off Jesus Christ, and puts it on a people that are just as lost as any lost gentile, and casts the truth to the ground, that we are all equal under sin and lost without Jesus Christ. There are no special promises left to give to a lost Israel. And any saved Israelites or Jews are, (ahem) Christians.
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    I've known of the Freemasons who have also claimed to be Christian. They are deceived...pray for them. I can't see them believing the Bible and holding to freemasonry.
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    I've never personally known a Christian who was. at least we don't have any our churches, therefore It's not really an issue within my local church. if we had freemasons, my Pastor would preach against it!
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    I'm praying the good Lord puts you guys on the fast track.
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    Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    ​You are wrong. No one has shown that the doctrine was not formulated by the Brethren. They could not because it was. If yhou bothered to study the history instead of just rehashing others comments you will find that I am right. I do not reject the teaching because I have rejected the Brethren, but the other was round. It certainly was not a Baptist teaching before about 1900 when the Brethren took it to the US.
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    Miss Daisy

    Soulwinning Teens and Young people

    ​If this statement isn't Calvinistic, I don't know what is.
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    Revelation chapter 19-22 Study.

    ​ That would be fine is that is what the scripture says, but it just says, a shout. I know all that teaching, it is Brethren teaching and I was brought up in the Brethren and my wife was converted as a teenager during a Brethren summer camp. After I was converted I returned to the Brethren for some years. My dad, who had long before left the Brethren, as he had quite a number of doubts about the teaching, said to me "Beware of the Brethren teaching on the second coming as it is false." I ignored him however and I married my wife in our Brethren chapel. We went to a number of meetings on prophecy, some in our own chapel and some in London. We accepted their teaching until one evening we went to a meeting where the subject was one of Daniel's prophecies. I can't remember which one. My wife said "He said this would happen and then this and so on, I expected to see it all written out as he said, but it just isn't there." I began to study further and then remembered my father's words. "Beware of Brethren teaching on the second coming , as it is false." I studied further and came to the same conclusion. I then studied the history of the teaching and that confirmed my conclusions. A few months ago, my sister asked me "Do you know why Dad left the Brethren?" I answered "No." She said he drew up a list of questions outlining his doubts and gave it to the elders and asked for a comment. They handed it back to him some weeks later and said "There will be no comment." As they could not justify the teaching, he left. There was a similar response when we had a Brethren preacher at our church. He preached at a couple of services, both including that teaching, after which I held my tongue. On the third occasion he preached an Acts 1, and said "In this return, the church will not be here as the angel was speaking to Jews. I asked him "Where will the church be at this time?" He said "In heaven." I had another question. "If after Jesus comes for the saints, and we will be ever with the Lord" (1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.) then we must be there. At which he turned on his heels, shouting "You don't believe the scriptures." As usual he could not justify his teaching I still visit his widow who is housebound. I did write to the elders of our church to the effect "Our rules say that we must not have any preacher who teaches strange doctrines. and we certainly had strange doctrines preaches last Sunday evening." I didn't get a reply, but I did get a comment some time later from one, "I agreed with him." I expect there were at least two others who would agree with him, one was his son and the other is ex-Brethren himself. I think it is sad the Baptist and Evangelical churches in the US have not only adopted this Brethren teaching, b ut made it a part of their statement of faith. After all it is only man's interpretation and a fairly recent acquisition from the Brethren Most, if not all non ecumenical baptists in our county would not agree with the teaching, but I would not agree with them either. We had a non dispie preacher at our church sometime ago preaching from Revelation and he said of the Great White Throne that "Christians wouldn't be there." After the service I asked if he believed in the pre-tribulation rapture and he said he didn't. I said the teaching on that GWT was Brethren teaching and was wrong and gave my reasons why." He said "I didn't think of that. God Bless, David.
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    a different kind of prayer request

    this came as a surprise... will pray
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    Comment On Current Debate

    How about this - Romans 4:13 - Sounds like Abraham and his fellow believers through faith, were gonna inherit the earth - For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. That is an end result of salvation. All who are saved get the same thing. Not just Abraham and his people Israel, gentiles who become believers in Jesus Christ also inherit the same things.
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    Standing Firm In Christ

    Calvinist attack!

    I am dead set against the Calvinist doctrine. But I don't speak out much on OB anymore for reasons that Alan has stated. I read, and observe for the most part.
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    We see all around us, and throughout history, people who choose to believe a lie rather than pay heed to the calling of God. Any lie which one accepts will keep the from the Truth. We see those who find pleasure in all sorts of sinful indulgences, believing it doesn't matter. Whether they believe their choice of sin doesn't matter because they still see themselves as "a good person, better than others", or they choose some false religion to cling to as their hope after death, or they choose to believe there is this one life and then it's just over, whatever the case may be, they are believing a lie which blinds them to the Truth. All of us have a choice, whether to enjoy the pleasures of sin for awhile or to heed the call of God to turn to Him. Whether one chooses to indulge in worshiping Mary, the tyrant Allah, Mother Nature, a celebrity, or simply exalt themselves, they are believing a lie and are separated from the Saviour. Even after salvation we are yet subject to temptation so it's no wonder some believers may face the temptation to believe a lie. The seal of the Holy Ghost ensures our salvation and the indwelling of the Holy Ghost gives us help the lost don't have. Our Lord is well capable of protecting His own.
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    ​You sound upset? I am not trying to aggravate your 'flesh'. What do you mean "a response in kind"? I answered your questioning of my belief in "a lie" being singular. And it makes sense, to me anyway. Your question: "What reference did you use to understand the form as singular?" I am sorry. I meant no harm, just being direct and responding to, what seemed to me, 'a silly question'. As for the Hebrews 12:1 verse, it too is a singular word "sin", according to the verse. Think about it - "and the sin which doth so easily beset us" - no where in this verse does it refer to the plural sense (for the word sin). The phrase "the sin" is talking about the sin nature that is placed in front of us, it is not speaking of a specific sin but the specific 'nature' of sin, and that is singular. And we all happen to have it.
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