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  1. 8 points
    It is not at all my intention to engage in "name-calling," save to employ the respectful title of "Brother" unto the other. (Please note -- I do recognize that this would not be possible If I were to engage in some "debate" sometime in the future with one whom I did not believe was a believer, such as the atheist whom Brother Matt mentioned earlier.) It is my intention to be guided in the discussion by the following rules: Colossians 4:6 -- "Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man." Ephesians 4:29-30 -- "Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." 2 Timothy 2:24 -- "And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient . . . ." (Please note -- By using 2 Timothy 2:24 in this list, I am not necessarily implying that my "opponent" in the given discussion-debate has been taken captive by the snare of the devil at his will. I am simply indicating thereby my intention to avoid a spirit of striving and to pursue a spirit of gentleness, graciousness, meekness, patience, and even teachableness.) James 3:13-18 -- "Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? Llet him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."
  2. 5 points

    My Idea Of A Good Night Out

    Went out soulwinngin/visiting: (1) some people wouldn't talk at all (guy with black tatoos and no shirt said church people are hypocrites and pointed to a tatoo of a cross and said "this is my religion" and told us to go ... my partner talked to him for a while more) (2) found a house with old bus riders so the bus captain over that area will get an address with about 5 kids that the mother said used to come ... the mother wrote down the address phone and names of the kids (3) several dogs running around the middle of the street ... dogs everywhere (4) spoke with and prayed with some people (5) I told my parter there is "a spirit" on the street" ... he said "what spirit" (I thought "not the good kind" ... I just said to him "take the dogs for example ... everyone has dogs") (6) we still had 10 planned minutes after finishing the street and as we were discussing how we were going to spend the next 10 minutes a bicycler comes along and I waved her down with a tract (7) after about 10 minutes the bicycler trusted Jesus Christ as her Saviour right there in the street ... she warned us that the street we had just finished on was a bad street (it confirmed my thoughts) ... one saved, people talked to/tracts with the gospel given out, "lost" bus riders located ... a "possessed" street got visited with the gospel and prayer, a good night out
  3. 4 points
    I'd rather get them all out of the way to avoid side shows for those who think the Calvinist forgot something. Or it can be 1-1 with allowances made for the Calvinist to use handicaps, life lines and dial-a-Calvinist I'll catch up more after the week end is over. We passed out tracts today during a homo parade which went over about as well as a model duck posing at a gun range, and then before sunrise we are moving our stuff to another family member's house in Jaffa. I'm sick of Tel Aviv. When I had to walk over a rainbow colored crosswalk to get my coffee, that was it for me LOL.
  4. 4 points

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    Thanks, everyone. Well, I smuggled in a KJV for her and also my concordance. I put a bookmark in place of all the spots that talk about the moon and moons, since that is what she is interested in. The KJV is also a study Bible. I bought it years ago, and never used it b/c the print is too small for me to read. She said it wouldn't be a prOBlem for her to read b/c she wears contacts. She was very excited. She also told me that she can't find her NIV. She recently moved, and she said it must have got lost in a box she had some other things stored in. Anyway, she left the room and said she would go to her desk and copy the material in the concordance on moons. She also took the church bulletin with my pastor's phone # on it. She seemed a bit leery about the word, "Baptist." Not that I haven't heard that before. LOL I preceded to tell her that my pastor preaches that you don't need to be a Baptist to get saved. She said she had been attending a church called, "Grace (I forget the full name of it) but it is a non-denominational church just south of me. She liked the idea of a small church, as she said the other church was getting too big. It is actually one of the biggest mega churches in my area. I just pray that Satan doesn't get in the way. We all know how that goes. I am keeping positive about this situation and will continue to keep Monica in prayer. Thanks, again for your prayers. If you should think of me (hopefully in a positive way, not when I am in my flesh), please keep this situation in prayer. I give all the praise, honor and glory to Jesus Christ, that I was able to be a witness to someone this way. Boy, how we need believers in our doctor's offices.
  5. 3 points
    Having debate rules would presumably mean no name-calling or hatchet jOBs.
  6. 3 points
    this would be AMAZING. Would make following debates/discussions much easier instead of having 10 people arguing in the same thread.
  7. 2 points

    Republicans Verses Tea Party...

    No, I just call them socialists. God bless, Larry
  8. 2 points
    That's because individual SBC's are really autonomous. Then it would be more like organized religion...more like Catholicism.
  9. 2 points

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    Candlelight- Just prayed for you both. Be wise, and be bold.
  10. 2 points
    The SBC is a bunch of churches that cooperate under the umbrella of the collective title SBC. The president of the SBC doesn't rule over all the churches in the SBC. This is both good and prOBlematic. It's good that one man can't dictate to all those churches but it also limits the presidents ability to try and lead those churches in a biblical direction. Some SBC churches are yet biblically conservative, yet at the other end there are some who have taken very liberal turns, and then there are all the others in between. Looking at our own IFB churches today we can, unfortunately, see the same thing in that some IFB churches are still biblically conservative but we also have a growing number who have taken very liberal turns and then a bunch in between. Such is the nature of things in this fallen world. When it comes to looking for a church to attend, whether for a home church or visiting, the old saying of "buyer beware" applies. We have to use caution and check each church out carefully so we know what we are getting.
  11. 2 points
    As a computer technician this is highly entertaining . I say that with love!
  12. 2 points
    Invigorating, educational, practical, motivational and just plain great Conference. If you have never been to one of these Leadership Conf, I would encourage you to go. Not only is it pretty good preaching, but the sessions all day and afternoon are just invaluable to the full time worker. Many dozens of real life full time workers who are sharing what has worked for them, why and what has and why. No puffed up shirts (at least I didn´t see it that way) but just genuine, sincere men of service trying to be a help to others get ahead in the ministry and do something for the Lord. Steve Chappel was to me the bright light. His church planters luncheon talk was spot on and really helped me. There were only about 70 of us in there and he was answered about a dozen hand written questions submitted by the men in that room. Really personal, genuine and practical. Pastor Navarette, the Spanish pastor had me into his office and over coffee gave me some great counsel as we are no longer going to serve in Mexico but start a Spanish ministry in California. One thing that really helped me to let me put my guard down was that I sensed the men who were speaking there truly had a desire to just be helpful to us. They were simply put "real". I´m going back next year Lord willing. God bless, calvary
  13. 1 point

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    as I am going to the doctor's office today. As I said in another post, the doctor's secretary is reading the NIV and asked me what church I belong to. I am giving her a KJV and I am going to encourage her to visit my church. I am also giving her a church bulletin along with my pastor's phone number on it, since we meet in various places. Please pray that the Lord Jesus Christ gives me the right words to say to her. I don't know if she is saved. Her name is Monica. She asked me several questions on the phone. I need prayer to say the words that God would have me say to this woman to encourage her in the faith. I will be going back in several weeks for my yearly blood test. Please continue to keep this situation in prayer. I welcome and appreciate all of your prayers and words of advice. Thanks in advance.
  14. 1 point

    Covenant Theology Discussion

    This is a two person thread. Any others who wish to comment need another thread. I am opening this thread for discussion - the debate isn't happening. I am aware of the Wiki CT link. What I propose to do is establish a CT system taking into account the overall position of this board, to see to what extent we can find Scriptural agreement from an independent baptist perspective. Our Bible is divided into OT & NT. The word "testament" does not occur in the OT, and where OT quotations & equivalent expressions occur in the NT, "covenant" is used. We should therefore consider that the words are synonymous, though there may be shades of differences in particular contexts. (Where a legacy or will is intended.) There are over 300 references to "covenant" throughout Scripture, so some form of CT is essential to understanding Scripture. A Biblical covenant is a promise of blessing by God, & may be conditional or unconditional. To be effective, OBedience is required. The first covenant was with Noah: Gen. 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. .... 22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he. As Hebrews records: 7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. In faith & OBedience, Noah responded to the warning & the promise. He built an ark. When judgement fell, Noah & all in the ark were safe. The rainbow covenant was made with all the earth after the flood. Gen. 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. That covenant is unconditional - nothing man can do can affect it - but there is a qualification: Gen. 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. The first promise to Abraham, not specifically a covenant, is: Gen. 12:Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. 4 So Abram departed, as the Lord had spoken unto him; That is in covenant format - an unconditional promise to which Abraham responds with faith & OBedience. God continues with the land covenant: Gen. 15:18 In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: 19 the Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 20 and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, 21 and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites. The land was promised, but the people had to take possession. Both Joshua & Solomon claimed God had fulfilled the promises. The land apportionment in Ezekiel 47-48 is not as extensive. We have thus 2 covenant promises to Abraham - a blessing for all families of the earth and a promise of land for his descendants. When we come to the NT, there is no mention of the land covenant, except in the form of a question - Acts 1:6 but the blessing to all families of the earth does get several mentions including the justification for the Gospel for the Gentiles without circumcision. Acts 3:25 Gal. 3:8 Moses is particularly concerned with the covenant of works - the old covenant requiring OBedience. It begins with a wonderful declaration of love, to which the people respond with a declaration of OBedience: Exo. 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of JacOB, and tell the children of Israel; 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles’ wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will OBey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. 7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him. 8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. In Exodus 24, after the 10 commandments, the covenant is ratified by blood: 3 And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. 4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel. 5 And he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the Lord. 6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basons; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. 7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be OBedient. 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words. Israel broke those promises of OBedience repeatedly, & all mankind likewise are sinners, living under the just condemnation of a holy God. Jesus was born into the covenant nation as their covenant surety, was perfectly OBedient the covenant terms, yet suffered for man's breach of covenant to redeem us by his precious blood. Those Exodus covenant promises are specifically taken up in the NT & applied to Christian believers: 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not OBtained mercy, but now have OBtained mercy. Heb. 9:18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20 saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Above all, though, Jesus himself applies Exodus 24 to himself at the last supper: Mat. 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. 27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; 28 for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. The old covenant blood gave the elders of Israel a sight of the heavenly glory. The new covenant blood opens heaven to all believers in Jesus. I hope, thus far, we have an essential agreement on CT. When Hebrews quotes Jeremiah's NC statements, a new covenant with Israel (& Judah), is he excluding Gentile believers from an Israel covenant? Not at all. The NT writers make it very clear that Gentile believers are saved by repentance & faith in the same way as Jews. We become children of Abraham by faith, & are blessed according to the covenant promises, secured by the NC blood of Jesus, and that is an everlasting covenant: Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. A final point - the covenant relationship is often expressed in the terms of I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. A relationship seen throughout Scripture and perfection realised in glory. Rev. 21:3
  15. 1 point
    Worked here with second one, but not the first.
  16. 1 point
  17. 1 point

    The United States! Vanity! How So?

    I think you and I have agreed about this before...the U.S. is not necessarily receiving judgement... God is no longer staying the results of our own (as a nation) sin and wickedness.
  18. 1 point

    Whats for Supper...

    I fixed Macaroni and Cheese, Spinach from the garden, Green salad from the garden, and Hawian Sweet Rolls. I,m stuffed.
  19. 1 point
    Sorry, so did I when I tried it this evening. I wonder why? I tested it when I posted it. http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moontides/ Try again. It worked when I previewed the post/
  20. 1 point

    Whats for Supper...

    Thai duck curry and noodles.
  21. 1 point
    laughed at "dial a calvinist", if your call doesn't go through, it wasn't predestined.
  22. 1 point
    Yeah, ME TOO, just saw this thread. I would also like to debate every person on the forum that defends Calvinism. Me against any Calvinist, or all of you at once, doesn't matter to me.
  23. 1 point

    Good Cops

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ptZ8ZFioHtQ God bless, Larry
  24. 1 point

    Beware!devil At Work

    It's both, but more heavily on the doctrine than the standards. And I'll thank you not to take pot-shots at our beliefs.
  25. 1 point

    Good Cops

    Necessity is the mother of invention!
  26. 1 point
    Can't figure out how to get a picture with your post?    http://screencast.com/t/iRqlImRt
  27. 1 point
    CL and Luanne, Just to clarify, I am not anti- KJV, I more or less have a prOBlem with Peter Ruckman, Sam Gipps of the world. If a brother/sister in Christ wants to use the KJV, great! I also believe that other translations are profitable. That's why I have Augustine's quote in my signature.( BTW . I found that quote in the transcription of the translators of the KJB) Out if the 7 Bibles I own at home, 4 of them are KJ, a Scofield, an Open BibLe,Thompson chain reference and a huuuuge Bible that was given to us on my wife's and I wedding day. I also own an NIV, ESV and a NLT. At our church we corporately use an ESV, which my old IFB church switched to a few years before I left.
  28. 1 point
    It appears that some folks on this forum still miss the point of the KJB "correcting" the originals. It doubt anyone (I could be wrong because I don't read anything these folks write anyway) actually believes the 1611 KJB is more accurate than the directly inspired originals provided by God to Moses, the Prophets, the Apostles, etc. The missed points are twofold: #1 Noone living has ever seen nor read an "original" text in hebrew or greek. These are copies of copies or rewrites times a multitude from the actual "originals". #2. Noone who thinks they understand the greek to read these copies of copies has any true clue to what the ancient greek meanings actually were. They only have loose guesses of modern greek translations they attempt to apply. It still amazes me to see men quote the "greek copy of copies" with their modern quessicon translations with authority, as if they know they are right- it is sadly laughable to me. The real point is this folks. Do you have God's complete Word in the KJB or not. This is simply a matter of faith. And without faith it is impossible to please Him. And without His Word we would have never heard of Him. So your faith better FIRST be in His Word or you have have no faith. think about it.
  29. 1 point
    Well, it was something our founding pastor actually preached and taught about. He actually planned on stepping down on our 40th anniversary, and 10 years before began teaching about what we should be looking for in a pastor, why we should be praying about it, etc. So, in reality, most of us began praying long before that. It took a few years longer because of a situation that arose, but that really just meant more praying.
  30. 1 point
    That's what I thought. I think I know what other things you are talking about, as well. However, I won't get into them.
  31. 1 point
    That's just silly - and wrong.
  32. 1 point
    Okay - that's very interesting. I don't see it as much different from our voting, though. The men of the church came to him...they had to agree that he was the one meant. Which is actually almost the same as putting it to a vote. We didn't have a bunch of men coming in. We began praying about it about a year before we knew it would be time to change over (our founding pastor was stepping down to become an assistant rather than the pastor due to age). We prayed for a number of things: That God would send the man He wanted That God would lead the pulpit committee (which, in our church, is the deacons) That God would prepare the man He would call to be what God wants him to be Wisdom After the year of praying, the deacons had a couple of men in mind. More prayer on all parts. One name was then put before us as the one the deacons believed to be the right one. More time for prayer and asking questions of the deacons and the man. And then the vote. Keep in mind that everyone in the church had heard each of the men that had been considered preach on numerous occasions, but not as pastoral candidates. Long story short, it took us over 4 years, but our new pastor was voted in over a year ago, and worked with the pastor for a while before assuming the role. I don't think voting is wrong. The way it's done could be. Or the result could be. Even the reason. But when it's bathed in prayer God will answer. When an entire church is praying for God to lead them on the matter, God will show the entire church. I don't agree with the RCC or the SBC. But voting is the least of the issues, IMO.
  33. 1 point

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    Praying, friend. What an opportunity!
  34. 1 point
    That's the biggie, yes. (I don't want to derail the thread, though...)
  35. 1 point
    Heh. I would say that the Watch Tower Society agrees with the KJB, not the other way around...especially since the KJB came first.
  36. 1 point

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    Praying for you.
  37. 1 point

    Please Pray For Me Today...

    Praise God for this opportunity! I pray you will continue to follow the Lord's leading in this and His Spirit may speak and work through you to bring about His will with Monica.
  38. 1 point
    I've been KJB since the Holy Ghost "told me" to use the KJB. It wasn't until after that before I ever even heard of anyone being KJO. It wasn't until I joined this board that I ever heard of Ruckman. I don't like any of the paraphrase "Bibles" (which I don't really consider to be actual Bibles because they are some man's idea of taking God's Word and then putting His Word into the man's own choice of wording as if he could do a better jOB than God! All the while, these paraphrases which are not backed by any scholarship or peer review for accuracy, are tainted and sometimes outright tarnished with the leanings and preferences of how the paraphraser would like things to read. I've never been able to understand why the NIV ever became so popular. That's one of the worst versions I've encountered. I've read books or articles where the author uses the NIV and I will read the passage from the NIV in the book and then go "huh?". Then I look it up in my KJB to find out what the verse or passage actually says and means. I'm thankful God Himself directed me to the KJB.
  39. 1 point

    Good Cops

    We had a sheriff for several years that was tough on actual criminals, especially the drug makers and pushers (mainly meth in this area) but he followed the law in doing so and he was a humble and spoke to folks on an equal level. He promoted his good deputies and cracked down on the errant ones. He would go out of his way to help folks. Unfortunately the judge that handled the drug cases didn't like the sheriff (it seems mostly because he gave the judge more work to do by arresting drug makers and pushers) and she always seemed bent upon thwarting police efforts while looking for ways to be soft on the criminals. Cases the sheriffs department worked months on which brought down meth labs, this liberal judge would search for the tiniest technicality and use that to not only rule against one point, but to toss out the entire case (once doing this because of a typo where a simple word, something like...and, the, is..., a word like that was left out in one sentence and this judge rejected everything because of that, tossed the case completely out and ordered the offenders released). Then the State changed their rules regarding retirement and pensions which left the sheriff with the option to retire and draw the benefits he had been promised for decades or to continue in office and lose nearly 50% of his earned (and promised!) benefits by retiring after his term was completed. We lost a good sheriff, but thankfully one of the good deputies he had promoted and helped train was elected as the new sheriff so we still have a good sheriffs department in this county. That's a real blessing because it seems most of the other counties around here have corrupt and sometimes power abusing departments.
  40. 1 point
    Are you accepting a challenge for a 1-1 debate? I'll start a new thread.
  41. 1 point
    One of the weaknesses within the SBC is it's inability to get member churches to comply with the stated positions of the SBC. There is also a prOBlem in dealing with churches which reach a point they should be ejected from the SBC. This is one of the areas the SBC should attempt to address and correct, at least to the point where they establish a set of foundational principles that must be adhered to by churches within the SBC and if a member church violates one (or more) of those foundational principles they should receive a personal visit from the president and a couple others (or a small group established to deal with such) which can speak to the leader(s) of the violating church and attempt to help them see biblical reason and make correction. If the church refuses to restore biblical correctness in line with the foundational principles they should be quickly expelled.
  42. 1 point
    The best method of copying someone is to stand in front of a mirror and practice.
  43. 1 point
    6 posts to prove Covenant Theology? You couldn't prove it in 500 posts, much less 5.
  44. 1 point
    I would like to debate "Covenant Theology" to get rid of the "antisemitism" & "replacement theology" name-calling from this forum. I suggest a 5 post each format - e.g. state your case responses (3) sum up That would be enough to clearly state & defend our positions, while disputing the opponent, and establish Biblical credibility. Any takers?
  45. 1 point
    Gabrielle A

    World Cup

    The ABs have a history of coming back from behind. Most of their plays are strategic to enable the opposing team to think they have the advantage. My guess is that they will save their energy for the quarter and semifinals.The Eagles vs the AllBlacks game should be well worth watching as I do not think the ABs will annihilate them on their own turf, rather for the sake of the game...they will go easy.
  46. 1 point
    Pastor went ( I couldnt attend this year), Sounded good. Listened to a few recordings thus far of the main Sermons. Glad to hear my Pastor is feeling recharged.
  47. 1 point
    Arbo, the Southern Baptist are going down hill. Yes losing members but much more importantly losing God's power. They used to have a higher standards but they have voted that away.
  48. 1 point
    Bro K

    Beware!devil At Work

    Hard preaching today is not what you say; but how you say it. He may have let the Pharisees have it; but I seriously doubt He was ranting and raving while He did it.
  49. 1 point
    I agree with that; however the SBC has a hierarchy whereas the IFB doesn't. Many IFB churches were once SBC churches and pulled away because of that.
  50. 1 point
    You would have to find a way to force people to answer the questions actually asked. Many of the issues you note the proponents constantly sidestep when they are brought to a point they can't - or won't - defend, hence the rabbit trails.
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