Members heartstrings Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Psalm 119:1,3 Psalm 128:1 Proverbs 2:7 Proverbs 6:12 Proverbs 10:9 Proverbs 19:1 Proverbs 28:18 Ecclesiastes 2:14, 10:7Walking Even though they mention a physical act, the verses above are not speaking about physically putting one foot in front of the other. "Walking", in these verses, speaks of the "manner of life" or "manner of conduct". There are many more verses which do this.... Ephesians 2:10, 4:1, 5:2, 5:15. etc. etc. But here is the one I want to focus on......... JOB 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 1. If you cross a desert, can Satan walk along too? 2. If you go skindiving, 100ft down, can you get away from Satan's temptation? Can he "walk" there? Or does he need to put on a tank and some fins? 3. If you confess all your sins, get filled with the Holy Spirit, then suddenly go hang-gliding , How could Satan "walk" up to where you are to tempt you again? Or would he need to fly? Honestly, is that what it really means? That Satan must physically "walk", to get where he wants to go? Is the verse talking about Satan traversing the atmoshere and outer space from Earth to Heaven by physically "walking"? Couldn't this verse be talking about Satan's manner of conduct?To and Fro Satan speaks in your heart "the earth" (or dwells there if you are unsaved). He comes when he wants and he leaves when you draw nigh to God and resist. Hence, to and fro in the earth (the heart, or mind)Walking up The direction "up" is associated with godliness or moving toward God. Satan's MO or "manner of conduct" is that he sometimes "appears as an angel of light". "There is a way that seemth right unto a man.....IN other words, his temptation, in your mind, at the time, seems right.Walking down Sometimes Satan's MO is less subtle and unmistakeably evil. What do ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 The angels that visited Abraham walked to Sodom. JacOB physically wrestled with the Angel of the Lord. Daniel saw an angel physically standing on the banks of the river Euphrates. I'm sure Satan can walk too. Not everything has to be devotionalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted November 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Is there any record, in the Bible, where Satan had a physical form, other than the serpent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Ezekiel 28 comes to mind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Which, BTW, is a strong indicator to me that Lucifer fell after Creation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Right - he can't be in the Garden of Eden before he sinned if he sinned before the Garden was created... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted November 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Ezekiel 28 comes to mind... Did he have this physical form after the flood? Or even after the garden of Eden? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 It is literally talking about Satan moving around on earth - not in our minds or hearts. The passage does not state that Satan's only method of moving around was walking; however, it does describe a particular activity of Satan's that was happening around the time of the events recorded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members trc123 Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 The whole time / space continuum thing really does make my head spin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Angels are able to take on a physical form at times, as we see many times in the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 Did he have this physical form after the flood? Or even after the garden of Eden? I can't prove that he did, and you can't prove that he didn't. Like Jerry said, angels can take physical forms when they so choose. If Satan can transform himself into an angel of light (maybe a semblance of his former self), then I'm sure he can take physical form whenever he chooses to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 It should also be remembered that Satan is a finite created being and does not have the qualities of God. Satan does not have access to our hearts and minds. Only God can see the thoughts and intents of our hearts; only God knows what's in our minds. Satan can influence things in an attempt to bring about a desired response from our heart and mind, but he knows not what's in them as he doesn't have access to them. Satan is one creature, limited to being in one place at a time. Satan can't be influencing Rick Warren in California, tempting Dr. Shelton to sin in Tennessee and attempting to deceive missionaries in Asia at the same time. Satan could have demons working on all three, or two of them as he works on one, but Satan himself is limited to being in one location at a time. We read that in the end those who look upon Satan will be astounded at his appearance (how he looks). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted November 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 ....Satan does not have access to our hearts and minds. He had access to Judas Iscariot (Luke 22:3, John 13:27) and others in the Gospels and in the Epistles. He 'bound' people and "entered in" to people. He influenced the minds of saved people like Peter (Mark 8:33)Annanias and Saphira(Acts 5:3). Therefore, I disagree. Only God can see the thoughts and intents of our hearts; NOBody said otherwiseonly God knows what's in our minds. You ahve a chapter and verse on that?Satan can influence things in an attempt to bring about a desired response from our heart and mind, I fully agreebut he knows not what's in them as he doesn't have access to them. I'm not so sure about that. Can you poiint me to what the Bible says?Satan is one creature, limited to being in one place at a time. Satan can't be influencing Rick Warren in California, tempting Dr. Shelton to sin in Tennessee and attempting to deceive missionaries in Asia at the same time. Satan could have demons working on all three, or two of them as he works on one, but Satan himself is limited to being in one location at a time. Maybe so, but does the Bible say so? And how fast can he move? Lightspeed maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members heartstrings Posted November 3, 2009 Author Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 It is literally talking about Satan moving around on earth - not in our minds or hearts. The passage does not state that Satan's only method of moving around was walking; however, it does describe a particular activity of Satan's that was happening around the time of the events recorded. The Bible says "In" the earth. And I can see the "to and fro" part being literal. But how can anything literally "walk up and down" "IN" a planet filled with molten magma. And why would it even WANT to? Unless he was making trips between Hell and the surface and back again...."up and down" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted November 3, 2009 Members Share Posted November 3, 2009 You've never used the phrase, "We walked up the path and then back down"? Or, we were walking IN the park? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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