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Is It Possible To Attain A State Of Sinless Perfection; To Stop Sinning?

Is It Possible To Attain A State Of Sinless Perfection; To Stop Sinning?  

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  1. 1. Is It Possible To Attain A State Of Sinless Perfection; To Stop Sinning?

    • No.
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    • Yes.
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    • I don't know.
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I have heard a pastor claim that he went one entire day without sinning but I don't know as I buy that....

Neither do I.

But, I must admit, ma'am even if that were true, it almost seems you'd be sinning by simply saying that...Sounds prideful and pointless.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

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You may be able to stop from committing certain sins - and be able to sin less (overall) but it is impossible to become sinless while we are alive and have a sin nature in us.

This is what the OT says (a just man is a saved man):

Ecclesiastes 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

This is what the NT says:

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

In other words, if any person claims to now be without sin, they are deceiving themselves and the truth is not in them!


1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

It is God's will that we strive against sin - but He knows we will not be sinless until we are glorified and have the sin nature removed.

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There are some who claim they live without sin, but as the other Jerry pointed out, God's Word, the Holy Scriptures, disagrees with them.

I certainly believe was can sin less.

I can't think of a good example right now, but I know I've caught myself, after having done and or not having done something, why didn't I do or not do it. Paul explained that better than I can.

Ro 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

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Crush - I think you hit it spot on: it's a pride thing.

As both Jerry's noted, the Bible is clear that we still sin after salvation. We are, after all, still in our bodies of flesh. But one day we will be sinless...when we see Jesus!!! :thumb: The Bible tells us that we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

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Our aim is Christlikeness. Scripture commands that we be holy for He is holy. Perfection is our aim but Scripture is clear we won't attain full perfection in this life.

Some folks use that as an excuse for their sins or even as an excuse to sin. Some folks won't even bother to try since they know they can't achieve it. That's unbiblical. Scripture does let us know we can't be perfect in this life but we are to pursue holiness, to continually aim for perfection.

Of course we can't do this in our own power. We must submit to the Lordship of Christ in our lives and allow the Holy Ghost rule in our lives.

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I agree we have a struggle all this life to bring our cross before the Lord daily, we don't ever have to sin, being the Spirit of God dwells in us, but yes, we will sin in the flesh, some every day, but there are moments when God calls us that we can be in his state of sinless perfection. notice I said his , not ours, because it is in his Spirit we dwell with him, not in our own. Our spirit can bear witness with his Spirit, that we are the children of God, how else can God know us as His?

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There are at least two examples in the Bible which refute the idea we cannot be perfect in this life (not attain it) but yes, be perfect or else God would make no claims of such in His Word

Genesis 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."


Genesis 17:1 "And when Abram was ninety

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Perfect in the Bible means mature spiritually. We can be that. However, we cannot be sinlessly perfect, which is another thing entirely.

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I remember reading a little "story" written as if a prayer. I do not remember exactly how it went, but it starts with the person telling how good he has been today. How he has not commited this sin or that. That he has controlled himself quite well. But then he says that now he is going to get out of bed and is going to need a lot of help from God to make it through the rest of the day. Now I am not saying a person can go without sinning until they get out of bed of a morning. But we all need God's help to keep our lives as pure as possible.

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Sinless perfection? No! However we can live a life pleasing to the Lord by walking in the Spirit and living a holy life. I posted this before a while back and thought that it's worthy to post it again.

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There was a little girl, who's father was a pastor.

One day, she came to her father and said, "Daddy, can a person go their whole life without sinning?"

The father answered, "No, honey, I'm sorry, but that's just not possible."

"What about a year, daddy? Can a person go a whole year without sinning?" She continued.

"No, I don't think that's possible either."

"What about a day, can a person go a day without sinning once?"

"It's very unlikely, no, I don't think they can."

"What about one moment, daddy, can a person go one moment without sinning?"

"Yes, that is possible."

"Then daddy, I want to live my life, moment by moment."


Love,
Madeline

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I didn't vote, I think we all know the answer! Really it is YES...once we are living with Him in our Glorified Bodies!!! Amen!!! HERE? NO! I find over the years the more I read His Word I just see how much MORE sinful I am-- not less!! Anyone else feel that way?? in Christ and so glad He will finish the work He has begun in me!! His by Grace

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Then let me live moment by moment as well!:icon_pray: I loved this poem Madeline!!! His by Grace


Sinless perfection? No! However we can live a life pleasing to the Lord by walking in the Spirit and living a holy life. I posted this before a while back and thought that it's worthy to post it again.



Love,
Madeline

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"ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23
"There is NONE righteous NO NOT ONE" Romans 3:10

If we can attain sinless perfection in this life then God lied to us. According to Hebrews 6:18 it is impossible for God to lie.

We can come close but this is rare and we need to fight the battle up here (hand raised high) and not down here (hand near the floor).
That is why God commanded us to be perfect even as your heavenly Father who is perfect. (Matthew 6:48)

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1 John 3:6 - “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”

1 John 3:9 - “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

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1 John 3:6 - “Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.”

1 John 3:9 - “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

Things Hard to be Understood
1 John 3:5-9

“And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” – 1 JoHN 3:5-9

In what sense does the believer “sin not”? This cannot mean that the believer is incapable of sinning or that he has sinless perfection. John already refuted that idea. “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (1 John 1:8). Sin continues to be present in the believer’s life, and it is dealt with by confession and the advocacy of Jesus Christ (1 John 1:9; 2:1-2). What, then, does 1 John 3:5-9 teach? In this passage, John is refuting the error that claims it does not matter how a Christian lives since he is saved by grace. Paul referred to this same error in Romans 6:1-2. Both Paul and John teach us that true salvation is evidenced by righteous living. Christ is the believer’s life and righteousness (1 John 3:5; compare 1 Corinthians 1:30; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Christ lives in the genuine believer; “his seed remaineth in him”; he is born again by the Spirit of God. If a person claims to be saved but continues to be dominated by sin and does not strive to serve Christ in righteousness and holiness--—“doeth not righteousness”--—that person is deceived. The verbs here are in a continuous sense, referring not merely to acts of sin but to a pattern of life.
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Salvation does not eradicate our sin nature. Our flesh will continually fight against our spirit until the Lord takes us home to be with Him or until we are raptured:

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

According to Scriptures, we will not attain what some call "sinless perfection" in this life. Edited by LindaR

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Bro John,

re: “ ...no sinlessness this side of Heaven!”


So when John says that no one can sin who is born of God, being born of God must not take place before the second coming.

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John is speaking of walking in habitual sin. Those born again in Christ will pursue holiness and not seek to walk in sin.

Remember, it was John who also wrote that if we say we sin not then we are liars. John also wrote that when we sin we are to confess our sin and God will forgive us.

Let's not forget Paul, who was obviously born again, even after years of walking in the faith lamented that he sometimes found himself sinning when he didn't want to and considered himself the chief of sinners.

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I didn't vote, I think we all know the answer! Really it is YES...once we are living with Him in our Glorified Bodies!!! Amen!!!

Haha that's what I was thinking when I first read the poll, it doesn't say "in this life"! Of course we will one day attain a state of sinlessness, amen!

As for this side of glory, even if you get all the outward sins of your flesh cleaned up you still have the sins of your deceitful heart & mind to deal with, and according to scripture "the thought of foolishness is sin" Proverbs 24:9 which is a hard one to master!

We are new creatures in Jesus Christ, but there is still an "old man" we need to mortify daily, and he won't stop bothering us until the redemption of our body takes place.

None of this is any excuse to sin btw, we should be doing our best to live righteous and holy in the present world, and when we sin we need to confess it and forsake it, eschew evil like Job did.


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Does anyone here believe they could go even 24 hours without even the slightest sin? Our minds are desperately wicked and it takes such little for something to trigger sin. I don't think anyone prior to translation to glory could attain a state of sinless perfection. Scripture simply doesn't teach this. Whether by ommission or commission, how many sins do we perhaps have in our lives daily that we don't even recognize or notice?

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