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King Of Pop Michael Jackson Dies At 50
CBS4 Miami - 5 minutes ago

King of Pop Michael Jackson died Thursday at a Los Angeles hospital where he was rushed around 1 p.m. PT by paramedics. Jackson, 50, suffered cardiac arrest and was found unresponsive at his home.

http://news.yahoo.com/topics/michael-jackson

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We know not how long we have to live. NOW is the acceptable time to be saved!

Sadly, many will make an idol and possibly a virtual religion out of Jackson much as they did with Elvis.

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How do you know he is in hell or not? Isn't up to the person and God in that matter? This poor guy was very ill and had health problems. He couldn't help how he became. Tonight on the news they keep on saying we need to remember his good times not the negatives. Why is everyone that dies that is a celebrity you think they went to Hell?

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Yes, it is ultimately up to God and the person, but there are a lot of indicators that he wasn't a believer.

What health problems did he have that caused him to become how he did, as you say? According to the news, M.J. had just passed a rigorous physical exam in preparation for his upcoming concert tour. I don't think he was a victim; one has to choose to have multiple cosmetic surgeries; one has to choose to change their looks so that they look like the opposite sex.

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Why don't you look up his condition he had during his younger years. He had a skin disorder that changed his pigmentation of the skin. He also was suffering from mental and emotional problems and he felt like he was missed understood and that is why he lashed out the last 15 years of his life. Why does it when every rock star passes we need to discuss how bad they are? Michael had help the sick ,the poor ,the needy, the hungry , ETC is that bad to look upon his career. I know his singing and music was not the best but, if this was Ozzy Osbourne I would agree with you that he is in Hell.

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17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matt 7:17-20 (KJV)

Kind of clear is it not, a good tree does not bring forth corrupt fruit, his fruit was very corrupt.

He and Ozzy Osbourne both brought forth the same kind of fruit.

As for us mortals their fruit is the only thing we have to go by, judging by it angels surely did not come for him, unless he repented.

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Very sad.

Unless something changed right before he died, Michael Jackson is indeed in Hell right now.
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Agreed. I sadly listened to him when I was a kid in the 80's and he promoted nothing good, even in his youth. Yes he was raised like this by his parents. But I grew up in an alcoholic home and made my stupid choices back then too. But I also chose to reject that and turn to God. He gives everyone a chance to change. If you reject it, then yes, you will go to hell.

Accourding to the following attachment (I am copying from a thread by Preacher Ben), not only was Micheal Jackson not a follower of God, but he followed the rituals of a very famous satan worshipper. See the following copy/paste:

I recommend wathching the documentary: They Sold Their Souls For Rock and Roll. There are four parts and it is very shocking and very informative. If you can watch this and conclude there is nothing wrong with rock music, you had better do some deep soul searching to see if the voice that leads you is the voice of Jesus, the gentle Shepherd who laid down his life for his sheep.



You cannot have two masters. Accourding to this, God was not Micheal's master. This documentary can be found on YouTube.com.
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Very sad.

Unless something changed right before he died, Michael Jackson is indeed in Hell right now.
God bless,
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This is ludicrous. You have no way of knowing whether or not he is in heaven or hell. My uncle died last year. Did you ever hear him make a public profession of faith? I assume you did not. Does that mean he's in hell, just because YOU didn't hear it.
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Most likely he was lost, I never heard of him even acknowledging God existed, lost eternally and most likely in hell tonight.


Dave, sadly, and I may be mistaken, but I think the only mention of religion I heard about the Jackson's is that they were loosely affiliated with the Jehovah's (false) Witnesses.

I doubt many if not any of his followers will see this as a sobering eternal wake-up call.

Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

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This is ludicrous. You have no way of knowing whether or not he is in heaven or hell. My uncle died last year. Did you ever hear him make a public profession of faith? I assume you did not. Does that mean he's in hell, just because YOU didn't hear it.


Very Well Said Ed Mchamon died earlier this week did he make a statement of of Faith? The reason some people don't trusts Christians or the Bible is the very Judgemental comments when someone dies. You dont just say they are in Hell after they are gone. You console the family not say Judgemental things about the person.
I know he put bad fruits on him the passed several decades but there are 5 generation inpacted in his death, he left 3 children behind , he left some parents behind. Do you know how it's like to bury your 50 year old child and your still alive? He left behind sisters and brothers and nieces and nephews and ETC that loved him. I am not saying I support everything he did but why talk bad about a person that had just died?
My husband Just now told me that it's not our place to Judge rather he is in Hell or not.
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There is a reason Scripture even tells those who believe they are saved to examine their faith to be sure.

The reason being, if a person is truly born again they are no longer the same person. There will be changes, great changes, even radical changes.

MJs lifestyle was very sinful and he promoted this sinfulness and was about to embark on a comeback which was set to promote more of this wickedness.

Scripture is equally clear that FEW go to heaven while MANY go to hell.

We also have the Word of God which tells us that many folks will one day stand before Jesus claiming they did this and that good thing, even claiming they did it for Jesus, yet Jesus will tell them He never new them and they will be cast into hell. They were never born again. Good deeds, good works, get no one into heaven.

According to Scripture, Ozzy Osborne is no more lost than was MJ, Madonna or that unsaved person behind the counter at Wal-Mart.

There is ONE WAY to heaven.

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As I stated in another thread, it is not up to us to judge whether one is "lost" or "saved." His life was a tragedy, and he clearly had some mental problems, making him very childlike in his behavior.

I believe he is at rest, after a very difficult life in which he was haunted by being raised a child star.

However, his relationship with God is not for me, nor anyone else to judge.

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KJVK - yes, MJ did convert to Islam, and was a pal of sorts with Farrakahn - who has no love for the God of the Bible!!

MJ may very well be in Hell - his life would seem to indicate that. His family was Jehovah Witness...and that faith very definitely does not produce Christians!!! He lived in Gary, Indiana (just a couple of towns over from me), where there is a plethora of churches - many of which were here when he was. A good bit of those churches teach the gospel, so who knows? Mayhap when he was a child someone was able to reach him....

As was said, we cannot know for sure if he was saved or not. But we can say that, if saved, his testimony was rotten!

Reportedly, Joe Jackson (the father) abused the family physically and emotionally. And MJ was the youngest boy...so it's possible he got the brunt - especially since his voice was the reason the Jackson 5 catapulted to fame.

Yes, he will be exalted above measure now that he is dead - but that isn't his fault! It's the fault of a people who have to have a person to worship...

It's sad, I think. His life was sad. He died in debt, without anyone who really loved him nearby. He wasn't quite a year older than me...so young.

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Scripture tells us how to know if someone is a brother or sister in Christ.

The idea that one can be saved and spend their life living as a lost person isn't biblical.

Those who die without Christ are not at rest or peace.

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Scripture tells us how to know if someone is a brother or sister in Christ.

The idea that one can be saved and spend their life living as a lost person isn't biblical.

Those who die without Christ are not at rest or peace.


Have you spoken to him about this? Do you know him personally, or just waht tabloids report about him?

Salvation is not for us to judge, but God. We can have no idea about a person that we do not know execpt through media representations about them.
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How do you know he is in hell or not? Isn't up to the person and God in that matter? This poor guy was very ill and had health problems. He couldn't help how he became. Tonight on the news they keep on saying we need to remember his good times not the negatives. Why is everyone that dies that is a celebrity you think they went to Hell?


I gave him the benefit of doubt, "most likely," would be representative of what his life did to children. Is it OK to wonder if he has a "millstone were hanged about his neck" Mt. 18:6? Do you believe he was a Christian? What evidence do you have?
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This is ludicrous. You have no way of knowing whether or not he is in heaven or hell. My uncle died last year. Did you ever hear him make a public profession of faith? I assume you did not. Does that mean he's in hell, just because YOU didn't hear it.

Sir,
Your uncle was not Michael Jackson. He lived a wicked life.

According to his fruits, I have no reason to think he was a believer.
God bless,
Crushmaster.
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Sir,
Your uncle was not Michael Jackson. He lived a wicked life.

According to his fruits, I have no reason to think he was a believer.
God bless,
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I'm not sure how you can know he lived a wicked life, as in less than 1% of his life is what we see in the media, and even that, I don't see solid evidnece that he lived overtly wicked.

It is easy to point fingers, especially when you don't know someone. You cannot know someone from a portrayal in the media. The media could probably look at my life, and show one small thing I have done, take it out of context, and make me look pretty wicked, and could probably do the same for us all.

I'm just saying we cannot judge someones salvation or lack thereof, especially when we do not know that person.
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I'm not sure how you can know he lived a wicked life, as in less than 1% of his life is what we see in the media, and even that, I don't see solid evidnece that he lived overtly wicked.

It is easy to point fingers, especially when you don't know someone. You cannot know someone from a portrayal in the media. The media could probably look at my life, and show one small thing I have done, take it out of context, and make me look pretty wicked, and could probably do the same for us all.

I'm just saying we cannot judge someones salvation or lack thereof, especially when we do not know that person.


But, kind - he did spend a couple million to silence the boy and his family about the boy's time at Neverland...spending that kind of money would indicate guilt. Guilt of a heinous act that is wicked.

Yes, the media could spin anything. Like right now how they are spinning how wonderful MJ was - I've even heard some of them say it doesn't matter WHAT he did, he gave so much to the entertainment industry. Right. Tell that to the kids he damaged.
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But, kind - he did spend a couple million to silence the boy and his family about the boy's time at Neverland...spending that kind of money would indicate guilt. Guilt of a heinous act that is wicked.

Yes, the media could spin anything. Like right now how they are spinning how wonderful MJ was - I've even heard some of them say it doesn't matter WHAT he did, he gave so much to the entertainment industry. Right. Tell that to the kids he damaged.


Not necesearily. I'm a lawyer and see people spend an absurd amount of money to settle a case that they are not guilty in. If people can afford it, many times, settling for a large sum is better than being dragged through a very public trial.

He was acquitted on all 14 counts of the crime against children. Crimes against children are terrible, terrible things, and people are quick to convict one guilty of those crimes. People are not tolerant of that behavior.

I think he made a huge mistake settling the first case because it openned him up to further allegations.

Yes, he was foolish in spending time with the children, but I think it was totally innocent. Jackson was very childlike in his behavior. I think he had mental problems stemming from his childhood, and as a result, was like a child as an adult. He was bizzarre, like a child, and very odd, but that does not make him a child molester. If he were, I am convinced he would have been convicted at the trial.

I may go back to study his case, but I recall the accuser's family had sued a store they shoplifted from to try to extort money from the store, and every witness had contradicting stories and were very uncredible, some having admitted to having lied under oath before.
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Not necesearily. I'm a lawyer and see people spend an absurd amount of money to settle a case that they are not guilty in. If people can afford it, many times, settling for a large sum is better than being dragged through a very public trial.

He was acquitted on all 14 counts of the crime against children. Crimes against children are terrible, terrible things, and people are quick to convict one guilty of those crimes. People are not tolerant of that behavior.

I think he made a huge mistake settling the first case because it openned him up to further allegations.

Yes, he was foolish in spending time with the children, but I think it was totally innocent. Jackson was very childlike in his behavior. I think he had mental problems stemming from his childhood, and as a result, was like a child as an adult. He was bizzarre, like a child, and very odd, but that does not make him a child molester. If he were, I am convinced he would have been convicted at the trial.

I may go back to study his case, but I recall the accuser's family had sued a store they shoplifted from to try to extort money from the store, and every witness had contradicting stories and were very uncredible, some having admitted to having lied under oath before.


Well, I bow to your legal knowledge - but I have to say that I have my doubts about his innocence. What do you think about this site?
http://www.statementanalysis.com/jackson/
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Not necesearily. I'm a lawyer and see people spend an absurd amount of money to settle a case that they are not guilty in. If people can afford it, many times, settling for a large sum is better than being dragged through a very public trial.

He was acquitted on all 14 counts of the crime against children. Crimes against children are terrible, terrible things, and people are quick to convict one guilty of those crimes. People are not tolerant of that behavior.

I think he made a huge mistake settling the first case because it openned him up to further allegations.

Yes, he was foolish in spending time with the children, but I think it was totally innocent. Jackson was very childlike in his behavior. I think he had mental problems stemming from his childhood, and as a result, was like a child as an adult. He was bizzarre, like a child, and very odd, but that does not make him a child molester. If he were, I am convinced he would have been convicted at the trial.

I may go back to study his case, but I recall the accuser's family had sued a store they shoplifted from to try to extort money from the store, and every witness had contradicting stories and were very uncredible, some having admitted to having lied under oath before.


Kind: I completely agree (I'm a fellow member of the bar myself). Sometimes its cheaper to settle a case than to defend it. I do remember the Jackson case and the child's mother's credibility was attacked due to the previous extortion attempt you mentioned. They were after money, plain and simple. Twelve people who heard all the facts, saw all the evidence and heard each witness unanimously found him not guilty. The State chose not to appeal. Who are we to question them.
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Well, pt, we can question them...they are not perfect, and mistakes can be made.

As a lawyer, would you read the site I posted to kind and let me know what you think? I'd really like to hear from both of you about it, since you've both been trained in the legal system. Thanks. (and maybe read the Dateline link at the end...about the second boy who many claimed was bought off)

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Well, pt, we can question them...they are not perfect, and mistakes can be made.

As a lawyer, would you read the site I posted to kind and let me know what you think? I'd really like to hear from both of you about it, since you've both been trained in the legal system. Thanks. (and maybe read the Dateline link at the end...about the second boy who many claimed was bought off)


I'll take some time when I have it to go through and let you know what I think.
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Very true....I believe they got it right in this case, wrong in the case of OJ.


I agree with you in regards to OJ. My brother lived near there then, and he said that everyone around there knew he was guilty. Am not too sure about MJ, though. I would love to be completely wrong, but...let me know what you think after reading the page and the accompanying article.
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