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Whats up with the Gaithers??

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Where in the Bible does it say that a rock beat is demonic or wrong? It's a nice story but where does it say it in the Bible? I don't listen to "Christian" rock, but I do listen to a very few artists that would be considered contemporary...like three or four of em.

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Where in the Bible does it say that a rock beat is demonic or wrong? It's a nice story but where does it say it in the Bible? I don't listen to "Christian" rock, but I do listen to a very few artists that would be considered contemporary...like three or four of em.

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The same place it says not to smoke and not to dance in a provocative way and that women should not wear modern day pants.

Its there...but you have to be willing to be led of the Spirit. "He who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

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Rock music is all about sensuality. It's wrong just as much as pornography, though the Bible says nothing about not watching pornography. If you don't believe the style of music is demonic, then you have to believe the lyrical content of that style of music is a mere coincidence, too. (But as a musician, I can guarantee you it isn't! The style of music communicates just as much as the lyrics.)

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Just as a disclaimer. I don't listen to "Christian" rock. I don't believe in it. But, there is a difference between rock music and southern gospel music. There is a difference between rock music and some CCM. Listening to Southern Gospel or limited CCM doesn't make me feel sensual. Southern Gospel has so many Biblical songs...it's awesome.

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The only difference between the styles is that Southern Gospel is sung with a twang, and sometimes in harmony.

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Rock music is all about sensuality. It's wrong just as much as pornography, though the Bible says nothing about not watching pornography. If you don't believe the style of music is demonic, then you have to believe the lyrical content of that style of music is a mere coincidence, too. (But as a musician, I can guarantee you it isn't! The style of music communicates just as much as the lyrics.)
[/quote] That's what I have had to explain to so many modern day Christians. Satan sure has powerfully used that particular tool to get into Christians lifes!! :verymad:

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That's what I have had to explain to so many modern day Christians. Satan sure has powerfully used that particular tool to get into Christians lifes!! :verymad:
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Yes! Just so! And unlike most of the things Satan has devised as snares, Christians are even willing to [i]defend[/i] their style of music to the bitter end. It's fairly incredible the amount of loyalty a music group or style will attract from Christians.

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I refuse to listen to ALL CCM artists... and Christian friends thought I was being way too strict. Later on those friends found out things about the artists' lives that convinced them not to listen to them anymore. I thought to myself: why are they surprised? Couldn't you tell the direction they were going by the type of music they played? If the music is worldly it's because it's coming from the heart of a worldly person, and it will come out in that person's life sooner or later.
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Right you are - I have seen this come true over and over. Some come on here and defend specific CCM groups - saying they do not compromise like all the others. Okay, who are they then? I would love to research on them and prove myself wrong - however, all the evidence proves this conclusion right, not wrong. Better to not further develop a taste for something you are going to have to put out a little later anyway...

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Better to not further develop a taste for something you are going to have to put out a little later anyway...


That is so true. And it reminds me of another danger of CCM; listening to it will lead us to develop a taste for the world's music. If we don't want to struggle with pop music, we should also stay away from CCM.

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The fact that so many of the the supposedly Christian musicians that perform CCM listen to secular Rock and country - and even some of the worst of both, tells me that I shouldn't be listening to them. The first thing that God got me to put out of my life when I got saved was secular rock - it took me about a year to actually sort through all my music (upwards of about 1000-1200 different albums - plus my best friend also had about 500 other ones) - unfortunately, the watered-down church and new Christian friends I had got me interested in Christian rock (figured it was better - not realizing the medium was also a problem).

That was me as a brand new baby Christian, comparing the lyrics, lifestyles, appearances, and symbols/images used on their albums, etc. of the secular musicians. If God gave me enough wisdom to know and apply these things to my music as a babe in Christ - how come these "Christian" musicians don't know enough to do this in their lives after 20, 30, 40 years of supposedly being saved? Because they are in rebellion and want the lusts of their flesh. In that case, they are not artists I should have in my life.

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I think one of the reasons that CCM artists listen to so much secular pop music is that they fully realize that there is no difference in the styles. Their audiences may try to draw a distinction, but the CCM artists know better! They know full well that they can be consistent by listening to both types of music. (I use the term "both types" loosely because they are in reality only one type of music.) They see nothing wrong with their CCM, so why would they see anything wrong with secular pop?

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Brother Jerry and others, when I was in my past life I was a 1960's hippy. Living in California I followed a number of rock groups from concert to concert. I have been to Golden Gate Park in San Francisco many times along with other famous (or infamous) places in San Francisco.

Once saved I had an extremely large collection of secular music. I determined to destroy the CD's. I did not pass them on because if they were wrong for me they are wrong for others also. I destroyed thousands of dollars of secular music.

The criteria I used in determining what to get rid of was rather simple. If I held a CD in my hand and questioned whether it should be destroyed or not it got destroyed. If there was something that caused me to pause and think of whether it was wrong or not it quite obviously was not something I needed to be listening to.

I do not believe that rock music in any form has a place in a Christian's life. It is more than the beat that causes difficulties. There are quite a few really questionable people out there who have released so-called Christian albums. Just because a person or a group produces a CD with Christian songs on it, it does not make them a Christian group. As an example and to date myself a bit, Elvis Presley released some albums of spiritual music. However Elvis Presley died of a drug overdose. I do not believe him to have been a Christian man. Not only that but production of one or two supposedly Christian albums does not make a person a spiritual performer.

There is an outstanding article available on the 'net about proper music. Later on today when I ihave a bit more time I will dig up the link and post it. It is quite eye-opening to those who defend CCM and even secular rock music.

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George Groce

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??? I don't get it??
:? :? :? :?


how come these "Christian" musicians don't know enough to do this in their lives after 20, 30, 40 years of supposedly being saved? Because they are in rebellion and want the lusts of their flesh. In that case, they are not artists I should have in my life.
Amen!! :goodpost:

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These are great posts! I wish I could get some very hardfast Gaither fans I know to change their minds.

Another thing...... where you buy the music helps! I don't buy mine from the Family Bookstore or others like it.

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Don't try to get Gaither fans to change their minds. There is nothing wrong with Gaither music. My church uses his songs but says it's wrong to listen to his music. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

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Depends on why they disallow it. If it is over the style of the music, perhaps they reject the ones they consider to have a worldly style, and use the ones that are sound in music and doctrine.

If they have something against Gaither himself, that is a somewhat different case. I assume there was a time when Gaither hadn't compromised, and perhaps they use some of his older songs. Look at David, for example. David was a murderer and an adulterer, yet he wrote many psalms when he was right with God. There may have been a point earlier in his career where Gaither was right with God and wrote differently, and your church feels it's fing to use those songs. When someone falls you don't have to write off everything they've done prior to that as worthless.

Why bother with the Gaithers when there is so much sound music available that is above reproach? If we give it an honest listening, I think we have to admit that southern gospel is as dangerous as secular country music; it certainly doesn't sound much different.

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Why bother with the Gaithers when there is so much sound music available that is above reproach?


So there are groups out there singing that have no sin in their lives ? Who are they I need some new CDs

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No, but there are groups out there that are not living a lifestyle of compromise and sin, and who are not living in sin WHILE they are supposedly producing music for God's glory.

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Amen, Termite and Jerry! There are no sinless musicians, are there? However, there are plenty who are striving to live holy lives unto God, avoiding worldly associations and styles of music....those are the ones we should support. As far as the others, well, if there is known, proven, open sin, which brings reproach to Christ, why should we support them? I don't think we should.
My flesh, I'm sorry to say, happens to like some things I hear out in public (only because I heard it for years before trusting in Jesus and it was ingrained in me). Yet, I fight the flesh, and cleave to the edifying spiritual Christian music instead. If I filled my mind with CCM, and the more jukey-style southern gospel, I'd probably lose my taste for something far better. It's like trying to compare balogna with filet mignon. :mrgreen:

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Sometimes the Southern Gospel is the "far better" music. God has used more Southern Gospel to speak to me in my life than He has conservative music. The lyrics of a lot of Southern Gospel is just so Biblical. Some songs have touched me deeply and given me just the message I needed to hear, and it is edifying because the message is Scriptural.

Katy-Anne

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Why bother with the Gaithers when there is so much sound music available that is above reproach? If we give it an honest listening, I think we have to admit that southern gospel is as dangerous as secular country music; it certainly doesn't sound much different.


Why do you not listen to southern gospel?? (I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know!) Any other opinions on this?? (Do dogs bark?? :wink: )

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Sometimes the Southern Gospel is the "far better" music. God has used more Southern Gospel to speak to me in my life than He has conservative music. The lyrics of a lot of Southern Gospel is just so Biblical. Some songs have touched me deeply and given me just the message I needed to hear, and it is edifying because the message is Scriptural.


:goodpost: Katy-Anne and good question AmazingGrace

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I know there is some really good southern gospel out there. But I have also heard stuff that was labeled southern gospel, and it was nothing but fleshy and worldly with Christian words attached. And there are probably some godly Christian groups who sing a southern gospel style, but there are also groups who are anything but godly in appearance or practice.

Maybe we all need to be more specific, as in naming the particular singer or groups, in our discussion. Southern gospel has evolved in some camps to nothing but secular music with Christian words. Or are those of you who support southern gospel in approval of any and all southern gospel music and musicians?

I've heard some sg that is definitely off on doctrine, as in holding on and holding out (losing your salvation).

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