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Doc H

Bluegrass gospel/southern gospel-need advice

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The SWAT team has a Sunday evening slot on a community radio station. In between discussions and debates we play traditional hymns and have also started to play bluegrass and southern gospel music.

Most of our listeners are Aussie IFB's.

On our team we have a Bro. from Mississippi whose father has just started a church in Western Sydney, which we attend. Hence the introduction of bg/southern gospel music.

We have had a number of complaints about playing this kind of music.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I personally, having recently been introduced to this type of music, love it.

I understand that we have to be careful with respect to the performers and their doctrinal belief's, worldliness etc.

Thanks,

Doc H

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That style of music has most of the characteristics of country music, and has no place on an IFB broadcast. There is plenty of good music out there that wouldn't offend anyone, except maybe an atheist, so why not use that instead?

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It does too have a place on an IFB broadcast and good on you Doc H. The Petersons, who used to have that slot, played some SG as well. Did they get complaints? It is good, godly music.

Katy-Anne

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Southern gospel is not good, godly music. You may as well go out and listen to the latest CD by Shania Twain or Patsy Kline, or whoever the latest country stars are, because the musical elements are all exactly alike.

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It's nothing the same and to have someone make that claim is offensive!!! I used to listen to that other stuff and don't anymore and its NOTHING alike. Anyway DocH I know that Good Report plays bluegrass and SG on the radio so I don't know what everyones problem is.

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I am afraid some of the IFB's here in Sydney need to lighten up a bit.

If the lyrics and music are God honoring and Christ centred and are a blessing then I see nothing wrong with it.

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Amen Sir! You're right on track bro. In Mackay the situation was opposite, as a Fundamental Christian DJ I was pressured to play Christian rock and stuff and I wouldn't do it.

Katy-Anne

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Bluegrass Gospel is among the greatest forms of Christian music.

Southern Gospel is now a huge category that no longer has the same meaning it once had, but there is a great deal of good Southern Gospel out there.

Bluegrass Gospel was around LONG before what passes for Country music!

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Bluegrass Gospel is among the greatest forms of Christian music.

Southern Gospel is now a huge category that no longer has the same meaning it once had, but there is a great deal of good Southern Gospel out there.

Bluegrass Gospel was around LONG before what passes for Country music!


:goodpost:

Bluegrass Gospel is awesome!! Southern Gospel has gotten contemporary--and there is another type of Bluegrass music called "Progessive" Bluegrass which is like Contemporary Christian Music.

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Here's a question I have for all of you that enjoy anything at all that is borderline or controversial::::::::

Why would we want to go with something that is even slightly questionable. We have had this discussion how many times now, and we all know where we stand. This SG and other types of music similar to it simply do not have the Godly content that the great hymns of the faith have. I'm with termite, and am completely convinced that because of what is at stake in Christendom, we should avoid any and all questionable thngs. SG and bluegrass music is not the only issue. There are also issues of tobacco, just recently discussed, movies from Hollywood, and a whole host of other such-like compromise-type items. Wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution, and just put all of those borderline things out of our Christian lives altogether, in order that we can keep our testimonies sharp and in tune with the Spirit of God. Our main goal should be the winning of souls, not how much like the world we can be and still call ourselves "Christian".

If the music gets any part of our body "moving" except our tongues, or hands if we're leading the singing, then we can be assured that it is fleshly.

We worship God in Spirit and in Truth.


Consider the Godly content in songs like...

"And Can it Be",

"Crown Him with Many Crowns",

"All Hail the Power",

"Man of Sorrows",

"Trust an Obey",

etc.

Those songs not only have deep content, but the melody, harmony and rhythm of each of those songs, being carefully balanced as they are, are greatly edifying to the spirit of a Godly soul.

Christianity is the only form of faith (notice I did not say, "religion") that appeals first to the mind. All man-made religions, and demon-worshipping types appeal first to the flesh, and/or emotions. Consider the verse,

"Come let us reason together, though your sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow...."

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Good posting PE.

I would listen to country before I would listen to Southern Gospel because I would feel like I was blaspheming Christ's name by putting it with satanic music.

I've listened to country and rock as well Katy-Anne so you can't use that argument on me. You always fervently defend your music but you never have any kind of moral guideline for it. Will you tell me that music is amoral? And if there isn't anything wrong with that repetetive beat, then what's wrong with rap? The beat is harder?

SG is Christian rock with a southern sound. And that's why you are getting into some contemporary stuff now, it doesn't stop with a little bit. Rock music is as much of an addiction as lust and pornography.

So if you have some kind of moral guidline for your MUSIC, not the words, I'd like to hear it.

Kevin

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:goodpost: kevinmiller and pneu-engine!

When it comes to music, everyone seems to be an expert in their own eyes, and their expert opinion is based solely upon what they happen to like, with no objective standards.

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If the music gets any part of our body "moving" except our tongues, or hands if we're leading the singing, then we can be assured that it is fleshly.

It would seem King David would have known nothing of this type of standard.

Music IS emotional. It is one way we worship God through emotional expression. It is not to be only emotional as that would have no real value, but having emotion, or responding emotionally to music is not wrong. Whether that is a raised hand is soulful reverence or a joyous clapping in praise, to imply we should stand their like a bunch of stone statues is completely against everything we read in scripture.

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King David's dancing before the Lord was not the dancing that goes on in karaoke bars. I'll skip on "groovin' for Jesus", thanks.

Further, I have yet to see anyone tell me what is right about country music. People tell me they like the words; well, that doesn't make the music right. People tell me they "get a blessing" from it; well, that doesn't make it right, either. No one can say that it's right, just that they "like" it. That is basing our doctrine on our flesh, and it is wrong.

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Wow! a prime example of all or nothing. Where did we go from 'soulful reverence and joyous clapping' to 'karaoke bars'? Balance folks...


No one can say that it's right, just that they "like" it. That is basing our doctrine on our flesh, and it is wrong.

Well I like Chinese food... does that mean it is wrong because I have a preference? NO... when does Chinese food become sinful? When I place it in importance above my love for God. I could do this by forcing my wife to have it even though I know she does not like it. It could be an Idol if I spend my time thinking solely on Chinese food.

Music is the same. We all have our preferences. We sin when we "have to have it" and force our preference on others (happens all the time in churches) or when it is an Idol and it is all we concern ourselves with (happens as well).

When it comes to music, everyone seems to be an expert in their own eyes, and their expert opinion is based solely upon what they happen to like, with no objective standards.

You got that right. This is a matter of preference and our "need" to impose that preference on others.

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It sounds to me like you are disregarding God's "preference."
Chinese food is not a moral issue, music is.
You don't have to love porn more than God for it to be wrong. Music can be wrong regardless of anyone's preference.


Wow! a prime example of all or nothing. Where did we go from 'soulful reverence and joyous clapping' to 'karaoke bars'? Balance folks...


He was simply referring to the style of dance. When music causes you to want to shake your hips, bob your head, etc. it is sensual and, therefore, wrong.

Kevin

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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There is nothing borderline or ungodly about Bluegrass Gospel. This form of music was around long before Country music and even before Southern Gospel.

The Southern Gospel genre has grown into being a big umbrella label that no longer has the same meaning it once had. There are some newer "Southern Gospel" groups that I don't even know how or why they are called Southern Gospel. Even so, that doesn't take away from the good old Southern Gospel from days gone by, nor does it take away from those groups today who hold true to the traditional Southern Gospel style.

It makes no sense to abandon good music just because some others corrupt some aspects of that music any more than it makes sense to abandon the Bible because some groups corrupt some aspects of that.

I've never witnessed Bluegrass Gospel emit an inappropriate response from the listeners. A fiddle and mandolin playing "Just a Closer Walk With Thee" doesn't turn the song into wordly dirge.

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It sounds to me like you are disregarding God's "preference."
Chinese food is not a moral issue, music is.
You don't have to love porn more than God for it to be wrong. Music can be wrong regardless of anyone's preference.



He was simply referring to the style of dance. When music causes you to want to shake your hips, bob your head, etc. it is sensual and, therefore, wrong.

Kevin

1Jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.


Kevin, PE said no motion at all. King David would disagree.

I do not think I am disregarding God's preferences.

Porn is wrong, in that it clearly perverts the sexual relationship and we are explicitly (not just implicitly) commanded against such behavior.

Where is there a command on what style of music we should worship to?

Where is it that God laid out what degree drums and snares are acceptable?

Where are we told the piano is the instrument of choice for Christian worship?

We are not.

I am sorry Ido not have the time to lay out the whole doctrine of music, but in scripture we find people jumping, clapping, dancing, shouting, and loosening (some say removing) some of their clothes to move more freely. Needless to say that resembles nothing of many churches today where if a neck-tie gets out of place they call a special business meeting to discuss.

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So if one taps their foot, claps their hands, taps their hand on the pew, or makes any movement as they listen to the music they are being sensual? :?

Since when did all movement translate into being sensual movement?

I can see a vast difference between the bit of movement some folks make during singing at church and the bump and grind movements of those listening to hip-hop or pop. The former isn't sensual movement while the latter is obviously sensual.

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I think if you go back to the 1950s and 1960s (maybe even the 1970s), when southern gospel was performed mostly by male quartets and a piano player, you might think a little differently about southern gospel music. What passes for southern gospel today turns my stomach. But when you hear old-style southern gospel - that is four male voices harmonizing "Had It Not Been" or "His Eye is on the Sparrow" or "The Longer I Serve Him" - you might have a different perspective.

Sure, southern gospel has some toe-tappers, but so does your red hymnal. "When We All Get to Heaven," "A New Name in Glory," and "Glory to His Name" are upbeat hymns. Would you toss them out, or does your music director just ignore those great hymns?

Old-school southern gospel kept the message of their songs primary. And the lyrics had meat to them. Neither the music nor the arrangement overpowered the message. Today's southern gospel needs the music and arrangements to cover the lack of meat in today's lyrics.

Mitch

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When it comes to music, everyone seems to be an expert in their own eyes, and their expert opinion is based solely upon what they happen to like, with no objective standards.


Uh, gotta disagree with you here, because I like rock music. I grew up with it, and I played it. If I allow myself to listen to it, I can easily get pulled back in. So, my expert opinion is that I don't listen to it because I like it, and I know from personal experience what it can lead to. Is that objective enough?

Mitch

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I think if you go back to the 1950s and 1960s (maybe even the 1970s), when southern gospel was performed mostly by male quartets and a piano player, you might think a little differently about southern gospel music. What passes for southern gospel today turns my stomach. But when you hear old-style southern gospel - that is four male voices harmonizing "Had It Not Been" or "His Eye is on the Sparrow" or "The Longer I Serve Him" - you might have a different perspective.

Sure, southern gospel has some toe-tappers, but so does your red hymnal. "When We All Get to Heaven," "A New Name in Glory," and "Glory to His Name" are upbeat hymns. Would you toss them out, or does your music director just ignore those great hymns?

Old-school southern gospel kept the message of their songs primary. And the lyrics had meat to them. Neither the music nor the arrangement overpowered the message. Today's southern gospel needs the music and arrangements to cover the lack of meat in today's lyrics.

Mitch


Well said, Mitch!

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There is a world of difference between enjoying something that is right, and deciding that something is right because you enjoy it.

I don't think it's wrong music if it causes you to tap your toes, but all this clapping hands in church and moving them all around doesn't do anything but draw everyone's focus from the message to the attention-starved person doing the wave. Shouting amen so loud that other people can't hear the preaching or singing is not edifying.

Clapping, tapping and waving are all physical responses to the music, not a spiritual response to the words. If you have to do that during singing, you've missed the point.

When you have to sing every song in the hymnal with the patented country feel-sorry-for-me sound, and melody is so unimportant that you don't need to hit the pitches accurately, there is a problem. God's praises ought not to be sung in that fashion. It is a twisted mockery of what God intended His music to be. You can use a country twang to sing that the Lord fills your heart with joy, but if you're using that mournful twang the message will be that you don't mean it.

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termite,

With respect, you seem to be deciding that something is not right because you don't enjoy it.

Your post is so full of personal preference making assumptions on people's motives.

I don't know you, but if I had to guess you were trained in Music. That's nice, but some us can't hit a pitch accurately if our lives depended on it. God accepts our worship. If you prefer to worship God with a exactness where you need to be completely on key perfectly with the melody, then that is fine. It is your preference. Please try not to assume everyone else should worship the same way.

There are extremes on both sides of this debate. Neither, IMHO are pleasing to the Lord. But those in the middle that just love God and want to sing to Him... that is pleasing.

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