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Pastor Mitch,

Where in the Bible does sin get a degree with being "public"?

Do the ten commandments become "public"? If adultery is a public sin then so is "bearing false witness" and "coveting" and so on and so on?

[b]The following is from Webster:
BLA'MELESS, a. Without fault; innocent; guiltless; not meriting censure. [/b]Your wrote the following:
Blameless does not mean sinless. If it did, then there would be no preachers at all. The connotation of blameless means that no one can lay blame on a person. Therefore, a pastor should be a man that no human can find fault with. That doesn't mean perfection, but the pastor has not committed a "public" sin that would damage the reputation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[b]If a man has nothing to that no one can lay blame on then that man is perfect.... RIGHT??
Your telling me that if a man was called to preach he can never be a pastor if any "public" sin can be posted on him ...right??[/b]

I'm not accusing anyone of sinning in their heart. The bible says we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God! I would be the first one to tell you and all who I have ever taught or talked to about my life ... yes I admit to those sins that I know men as humans fall into. I will not be in front of Christ at judgment blaming others for my downfall. I will be thanking the Lord for His Mercy on my life and I'm sorry I did not do more for Him!!
He is hope of doing right but I'm still a human and that is what is the biggest trip in my life.

My Quote:
All the men who preach who went to PBI are not qualified to preach because they were taught by a sinner and a man who was faulty.

you wrote:
I didn't say this. However, if the instructor is teaching error, and the men under him continue to spread that error, then they are faulty and should be removed from the pastorate, because they are no longer "blameless."

[b]Please call these pastors and let them know this is the stand of this forum and that they need to quit the ministry... ok especially Dr. Sam Gipp
here is the list:

James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson [/b]

Later,
Bro. Bob Owen

PS Sorry that my speech is not the best. I did not graduate from school and according to many I'm just ignorant and unlearned ... that is what a pastor called me in Oregon.

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TO all:

A big Praise the Lord because of my stand on the book and my testimony online on the two bible sites that I'm on. A lady from the church I was saved in 1971 when I was nine found me and wanted to get ahold of Pastor Bill Melton's son Billy whom I have been friends with for over 36 years.
We live in a very small world...

Bro. Bob Owen

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[quote="BobOwen"]
Pastor Mitch,

Where in the Bible does sin get a degree with being "public"?

Do the ten commandments become "public"? If adultery is a public sin then so is "bearing false witness" and "coveting" and so on and so on?
[/quote]

The issue here is not about "public" sin. The issue is about qualifications for a certain position of serving in the church. Pastor is a position in the church. God said the "man of one wife". Laid it out pretty simple. The man may be forgiven. But that still doesn't change the qualifications for being a pastor. He doesn't meet the qualifications. This has nothing to do with forgiveness or sin. It has to do with qualifications set forth by God.

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[color=#a30000]God made the rules for a pastor.

It is like knowing that a President of the United States has to be at least 35 years old and an American citizen. Well a French 34 year old could say how right he is for the position and tell us all his education and experience but he won't get it because he is disqualified.

In God's eyes, a divorcee is disqualified and there are several more things in the qualification lists that Peter Ruckman doesn't fulfill too well either.[/color]

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[quote="Bakershalfdozen"]
[color=#a30000]God made the rules for a pastor.

It is like knowing that a President of the United States has to be at least 35 years old and an American citizen. Well a French 34 year old could say how right he is for the position and tell us all his education and experience but he won't get it because he is disqualified.

In God's eyes, a divorcee is disqualified and there are several more things in the qualification lists that Peter Ruckman doesn't fulfill too well either.[/color]
[/quote] :goodpost: :amen: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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im re opening this forum because i have something to say.

while iwas away some things have happened that has made me change my mind.

we believed 95% of what our church did.but because we didnt believe the other 5 % we were pretty much,pushed,or kicked out of our church(yes the one where PAstor Robinson is the pastor.)my dad was taken off the preaching list and fired,my mom and I were taken of both nursery and cleaning lists.people didnt want to speak to us...it was clear we were not wanted there.

We havent gone to church since.i begged my mom to let me go at least on easter...but i couldnt.the one that i wanted to go to teaches the pastor is in charge of everything not God.

my cousin Arik,(i spoke of him before) has been bashing my family ever since he went to PBI. he called my sisters husband(was fiance) a fool after Robert had approached him about harrassing my sister(my sister works for Dr Hovind and my cousin Arik hates him because he teaches 6 day creation)

maybe the Lord is having all these things happen because if i went to PBI i could change for the worst? i may never know.

I will NOT go to PBI,ill go to PCC for music than a medical college...and for bible training....my Bible will do all of that.i dont need man to teach me the word of God.after all,he is only man.

The holy Spirit can guide me in my study.And i put all my trust on him for what i will learn. if satan tries to tell me something different.i know how to treat this.I always have long talks with my dad and he knows his Bible very well. he told me according to the BIble you should say to the spirit "do you confess that Jesus is God in the flesh?" and if it says yes it is of God and if no or it tries to get around it,than dont speak to it or listen.

My dad has been offered the position of assistant pastor in Washington.so we will move there in June. after that i will go to college.

Amie Jo

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I wouldn't go to PBI because it's a ministry of Dr Ruckman's church and while I appreciate his awesome stand on the KJB, he isn't qualified to be a pastor, although he could preach, and he could teach in the school.

There is a Bible Institute in Idaho that is great! Teaches much the same things as PBI. I know of people that will be attending there soon. Good school. It's a ministry of Treasure Valley Baptist Church.

On the gap theory, Dr Ruckman and Dr Gipp don't teach that God created, then there was millions of years and then the other days of creation. They teach that there was a relatively short space of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. So they teach that God created the heaven and the earth, and then there was a race of people on the earth before Adam that sinned and were wiped out. Then creation and then Adam etc. My pastor believes it too and he actually has verses to back it up. I used to think it was crazy but my pastor can back it up so now I have to check into it and am leaning towards accepting it. I'm not sure if the pre-adamic race was humans though, I think it was angels, like it was when the angels fell.

Katy-Anne

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Two problems:

1. Everything God created was created within the 6 literal time period of Creation.

Exodus 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


God didn't say that they were to work on Day 1 and then have a time period and then work on Days 2-6, resting on the 7th.




2. Adam's sin brought death. There was no death before Adam.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Meaning, no Pre-Adamic race sinned and were destroyed.




Anything but a literal interpretation of Genesis 1 and 2 is an attempt to justify evolutionary thinking on some level. BTW, the earth being w/o form and void simply means unformed and unfilled. The foundations of the earth were there but think about it - even the dry land hadn't appeared yet (day 3). What do you suppose was there? It was just water and air (day 2).

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I'm not sure if the pre-adamic race was humans though, I think it was angels, like it was when the angels fell.


And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (Genesis 1:31)

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And the word "replenish" means "fill."


Replenish
REPLEN'ISH, v.t. [L. re and plenus, full.]

1. To fill; to stock with numbers or abundance. The magazines are replenished with corn. The springs are replenished with water.

Multiply and replenish the earth. Gen 1.

2. To finish; to complete. [Not in use.]

REPLEN'ISH, v.i. To recover former fullness.


The verb is being used transitively in the Bible (i.e., the first definition).

The Hebrew says the same--to fill.

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Thanks Samer

I've heard both views and right now I don't know which one is right, because BOTH sides have Scripture to prove it. It's not something I'm overly worried about but if I see solid evidence one way or another that totally refutes the other side then I'll know what to believe. :smile If not it doesn't concern me and I can go my whole Christian life without knowing if I have to.

Katy-Anne

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Imagine trees trying to grow with a thousand year daytime and a thousand year nighttime. Whoa. And that's one long hibernation for the bears! And anyway when did evening and morning change to 24 hours instead of a thousand years anyhow?

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None of these men teach that it took a thousand years or whatever. Most teach it was very quick actually.

Katy-Anne

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They teach that there was a 1. relatively short space of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. So they teach that God created the heaven and the earth, and 2. then there was a race of people on the earth before Adam 3. that sinned and 4. were wiped out. 5. Then creation and then Adam etc. My pastor believes it too and he actually has verses to back it up.



I would like to see the verses used to prove each point. Thanks.


But let's make it a new thread. :thumb

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im re opening this forum because i have something to say.

while iwas away some things have happened that has made me change my mind.

we believed 95% of what our church did.but because we didnt believe the other 5 % we were pretty much,pushed,or kicked out of our church(yes the one where PAstor Robinson is the pastor.)my dad was taken off the preaching list and fired,my mom and I were taken of both nursery and cleaning lists.people didnt want to speak to us...it was clear we were not wanted there.

We havent gone to church since.i begged my mom to let me go at least on easter...but i couldnt.the one that i wanted to go to teaches the pastor is in charge of everything not God.

my cousin Arik,(i spoke of him before) has been bashing my family ever since he went to PBI. he called my sisters husband(was fiance) a fool after Robert had approached him about harrassing my sister(my sister works for Dr Hovind and my cousin Arik hates him because he teaches 6 day creation)

maybe the Lord is having all these things happen because if i went to PBI i could change for the worst? i may never know.

I will NOT go to PBI,ill go to PCC for music than a medical college...and for bible training....my Bible will do all of that.i dont need man to teach me the word of God.after all,he is only man.

The holy Spirit can guide me in my study.And i put all my trust on him for what i will learn. if satan tries to tell me something different.i know how to treat this.I always have long talks with my dad and he knows his Bible very well. he told me according to the BIble you should say to the spirit "do you confess that Jesus is God in the flesh?" and if it says yes it is of God and if no or it tries to get around it,than dont speak to it or listen.

My dad has been offered the position of assistant pastor in Washington.so we will move there in June. after that i will go to college.

Amie Jo


*hugs* Sorry to hear about your church and family situation.

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My recommendation is to find somewhere else to go that teaches the truth. Here are some options: Crown' date=' Ambassador, New England Baptist College to name a couple.[/quote']

Hmmm....I know this is old, but I wanted to say that I personally would not recommend Crown (I did attend there and have now left), and the other two, while I have never attended there, I have heard were extremely strict and legalistic.

My two cents.

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There is a huge difference between being strict and being legalistic. Crown is a little stricter than Ambassador and New England Baptist College, but none of these schools are "legalistic".

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