Members John81 Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 What do you want me to do, tell everyone to throw their guns away? Do you want me to be for our government to tell its citizens they can't have guns? If you have a thousand guns in your home, that is up to you. And actually whatever choice anyone here makes, I want it to be their choice, and if they chose to put their faith in God, I want it to between them and God. I know in most cases what choice I hope I would make, but until I've been tried, I don't know what I will do. But if I have no faith in God on very small matters, when big matters come up, I surely will not have faith them. Remember, we have 2 sides pulling at us who are saved, what I call that small quite voice in us, the Holy Spirit, but we also have this worldly world & Old Satan trying their best to pull us from God and to live like the world, or heathens, atheist, & such. I might add, for the most part, most of us get a lot larger dose of the world than we do God's teachings, after all most of us live in the world, work with the world, work with lost people, I know many Christians whose best friends are lost people who will never darken the door of one of Jesus' Churches plus many of us has let Hollywood influence us through the TV set and movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Ok' date=' and my point of contention in this discussion has been that you and Jerry have at times appeared to argue [i']both points simultaneously: that there are degrees but there are not degrees. That's what I'm struggling with. No, I'm not saved. I see. To a point there are degrees, yes - but, overall, it's whether you do or don't. Thank you for answering my question, as well. :smile In Christ, Crushmaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Colin Stolzer Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members candlelight Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Great thread, guys! Keep it going. Let's build up some TRUE "Team Spirit." In Christ ~ Molly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members candlelight Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm sorry but I see no need to carry a gun at all. I do live in a fairly safe place, a gun in the Lord's house doesn't sit right with me. Blossom Thank you - blossom!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members candlelight Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 America is the land of the free and the brave! In Christ ~ Molly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JerryNumbers Posted June 16, 2009 Members Share Posted June 16, 2009 Molly, A question just for you. Does men setting in their churches with their guns under their jacket sound like brave men? Does men setting in their churches without guns under their jackets sound like brave men? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alimantado Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 Jerry' date=' A similar personal attack to those you make against people you disagree with at every opportunity?[/quote'] For what it's worth, I don't see that at all in Jerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Alimantado Posted June 17, 2009 Members Share Posted June 17, 2009 America is the land of the free and the brave! In Christ ~ Molly Great! Let's get out our concealed weapons and do a 21 gun salute....best wait till after the service, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Invicta Posted June 21, 2009 Members Share Posted June 21, 2009 Indeed. In fact, you're not allowed to carry anything as a weapon at any time. The only time you're allowed to brandish something as a weapon is when you're actually in the process of being attacked. Then you're allowed to grab whatever is to hand. You can carry tools of the trade with you, like butchers knives, but if the Police think your intent is to arm yourself, you could be judged guilty of an offence. I think you might be allowed to carry pepper spray, though. Ah well. I've never been to Whitstable, Invicta. I live in Cambridge. I am quite sure that you are not allowed to carry a pepper spray. I am fortunate that where I live, you can walk down the street with a gun and no one will say anything, because they probably have one to. :smile Only the californians that move into the area get a little riled till they get to know the area. I got a call one day of a man with a gun outside a bank. I rolled up and called the guy over. I could see what happened. He had just purchased a shotgun from a gun store 2 blocks from the bank. I explained to him that is chosen route to walk home was not the best and gave him a ride home. Invicta, have you had a bad experience with law enforcement? No I never had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members deputydog530 Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 Only reason I asked Invicta, is in your story of the deaf man getting shot, you stated (so they say) implying dishonesty on the part of the police. The police have red blood too, they have families, and yes, if they ever shoot someone, they have to live with it the rest of their lives. Police are citizens asked to do the job no one else will. Where I worked, I would often be the only Law Officer for 50 miles. I have had armed citizens save my bacon before. Im so thankful for the second amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members holster Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 I'm 100% in support of LAWFUL concealed carry weapons (CCW) in the church. What in the world is wrong with a law abiding citizen using his/her constitutional right to carry a gun? If a crazy comes into a church to kill as many as he can, you want no one to defend family, friends, and bros. and sisters in Christ? Please read the article below.What the Bible says about lethal self-defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 :angel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted June 22, 2009 Administrators Share Posted June 22, 2009 I'm 100% in support of LAWFUL concealed carry weapons (CCW) in the church. What in the world is wrong with a law abiding citizen using his/her constitutional right to carry a gun? If a crazy comes into a church to kill as many as he can, you want no one to defend family, friends, and bros. and sisters in Christ? Please read the article below.What the Bible says about lethal self-defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members holster Posted June 22, 2009 Members Share Posted June 22, 2009 Please, Please, view the following video and put yourself in the place of this dear lady! Imagine that you are eating lunch one day. The LAST thing on your mind is a crazy man with the intent to kill. The LAST thing you are thinking of is the murder of a family member while eating in a public restaurant. Safe environment... right? Why carry a gun? Watch video and see why..... As the madman shoots and kills her father, she realizes that her self defense gun is out in her car. That's why we carry on person!1Ti 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. How much worse if we allow someone to murder his own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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