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Bill Gaither and the Southern Gospel Crowd

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Not sure how long this thread will go on, but I've said my piece, and I'm sticking to it. No one likes their particular pleasure to be criticized.


John81,
In a sense, some music may be ok for one, and not to another, but not in the broad inclusive way that some people like to think. Our Lord is holy and He has instructed us to be holy....this includes our manner of life and the choices we make. If something appeals to me, for instance, and may even appeal to the friends I have, does that necessarily make it right or wrong? No. Some things are obviously reverent and good, and those are the easy choices. Those more borderline, even worldly things that attract us make it hard sometimes to make the right choices. There is the pull of the flesh that wars with the new man. It's the story of the old dog and the new dog....whichever dog we feed, that's the stronger one and that's the one we tend to listen to.
This is a biblical principle and it's also one I have experienced myself.

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A possible explanation for SGM, CCM, rock, country, etc., bothering some and not bothering others.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I was asked to speak at a church near our home. They sang accapella with traditional hymn books, it was a blessing. I was asked to come back a second time. This time they had a big screen media prepped with a "Praise and Worship" dvd on que. It had rolling green smoke on the screen. My stomach fealt sick. They announced they were going to try this new P&W dvd. They pressed play and WHAM!from the depths of hell came this LOUD rock beat and the words to the beloved old hymn, 'All Hail the Power of Jesus Name.' I was sitting right down front. I stepped into the aisle, my wife stepped out, I said, "Come children," and we walked out the back door. The senior member (they didn't have a pastor, that's why I was there speaking,) came out behind us. He asked, "Is someone ill?" I told him no, but that we teach our children that rock music is sinful. He asked, "But didn't you hear the words?" I said, "Yes, but didn't you hear the music?" He said, "Yes, this music (key point here,)used to bother me, but the more I listened to it, the less it bothered me." He told us we didn't have to come back in and we left.

As we drove away, I asked my children, "Why do you suppose that music quit bothering him the more he listened to it?" My son replied, "His conscience is seared with a hot iron."

Out of the mouth of babes.

America is filled with a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. If has so infiltrated, even the fundamentalist baptist circles, that families are in dismay about where to take there family to keep them from being poluted IN THE CHURCH!

One may dismiss ANY and ALL arguements about this topic, it is your perogative. However, good, strong, very conservative, bible-believing families all over the country say the same thing, "Where (what church) will we raise our family?" My preacher back home said, an excuse is a LIE with the skin of a truth on it.

Since it is wrong for me to listen to Garth Brooks, I can now listen to Southern Gospel Music, same sound, differnet words. I used to listen to Led Zeppelin, but that was wrong, so now I can listen to CCM and Christian rock, same music different words.
So I ask, I used to drink Budweiser beer, can I make up a new cover for it called, JESUS BRAND BEER, and now it is acceptable, because I changed the words, right? No, not right, because I will not be abstaining from the appearance of evil. Nor will you.

Redifine it, change it's words, but it is still the same old snake, that said, "...Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Go ahead, Katy-Anne, Will, and you others. Eat, it's all yours, all you can eat. Err on the side of gray areas and danger. You have your LIBERTY, don't you?

"...having their conscience seared with a hot iron"


:amen:

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A possible explanation for SGM, CCM, rock, country, etc., bothering some and not bothering others.

1Ti 4:1 ¶ Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

I was asked to speak at a church near our home. They sang accapella with traditional hymn books, it was a blessing. I was asked to come back a second time. This time they had a big screen media prepped with a "Praise and Worship" dvd on que. It had rolling green smoke on the screen. My stomach fealt sick. They announced they were going to try this new P&W dvd. They pressed play and WHAM!from the depths of hell came this LOUD rock beat and the words to the beloved old hymn, 'All Hail the Power of Jesus Name.' I was sitting right down front. I stepped into the aisle, my wife stepped out, I said, "Come children," and we walked out the back door. The senior member (they didn't have a pastor, that's why I was there speaking,) came out behind us. He asked, "Is someone ill?" I told him no, but that we teach our children that rock music is sinful. He asked, "But didn't you hear the words?" I said, "Yes, but didn't you hear the music?" He said, "Yes, this music (key point here,)used to bother me, but the more I listened to it, the less it bothered me." He told us we didn't have to come back in and we left.

As we drove away, I asked my children, "Why do you suppose that music quit bothering him the more he listened to it?" My son replied, "His conscience is seared with a hot iron."

Out of the mouth of babes.

America is filled with a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. If has so infiltrated, even the fundamentalist baptist circles, that families are in dismay about where to take there family to keep them from being poluted IN THE CHURCH!

One may dismiss ANY and ALL arguements about this topic, it is your perogative. However, good, strong, very conservative, bible-believing families all over the country say the same thing, "Where (what church) will we raise our family?" My preacher back home said, an excuse is a LIE with the skin of a truth on it.

Since it is wrong for me to listen to Garth Brooks, I can now listen to Southern Gospel Music, same sound, differnet words. I used to listen to Led Zeppelin, but that was wrong, so now I can listen to CCM and Christian rock, same music different words.
So I ask, I used to drink Budweiser beer, can I make up a new cover for it called, JESUS BRAND BEER, and now it is acceptable, because I changed the words, right? No, not right, because I will not be abstaining from the appearance of evil. Nor will you.

Redifine it, change it's words, but it is still the same old snake, that said, "...Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?" Go ahead, Katy-Anne, Will, and you others. Eat, it's all yours, all you can eat. Err on the side of gray areas and danger. You have your LIBERTY, don't you?

"...having their conscience seared with a hot iron"


:goodpost: :amen:

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When did I say anything about southern gospel? Everybody who's getting defensive about their southern gospel music is pulling that out of my posts. Those posts deal with rock(a repetitive rock beat) which can be present in any genre including southern gospel. And I didn't say they couldn't be blessed by God, but that the listeners are opening themselves up to Satanic influence. The rock beat is clearly sensual which is why it is so addicting and oftentimes harder for a guy to give up than a girl. Just like the sensual pleasure derived from pornography is more of a struggle for guys.


Kevin this is a thread about Southern Gospel music and if you are saying the it is associated with rock music then yes you are saying that it is wrong. That is what I am getting out of your posts. So if that is what you are saying do you believe that a church that sings, plays, or has groups like the Ball Brothers come in, are in sin and cannot be blessed by God or are they right with God and being blessed?

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Kevin this is a thread about Southern Gospel music and if you are saying the it is associated with rock music then yes you are saying that it is wrong. That is what I am getting out of your posts. So if that is what you are saying do you believe that a church that sings, plays, or has groups like the Ball Brothers come in, are in sin and cannot be blessed by God or are they right with God and being blessed?


Why do I feel like I'm being trapped... :roll:

I'm saying most southern gospel. I clearly stated several times that it was the driving rock beat and it does characterize much of today's southern gospel.

I don't know who the "Ball Brothers" are but where would you get that I ever said that they would not be blessed of God? I believe listening to sensual music is a sin so those who willfully chose to listen to it would be in sin for that action. And no, I don't believe God blesses ungodly music. Apparently there are traditional southern gospel groups and so I don't label them as a whole. I label the rock beat as a whole as being wrong and any music, of whatever genre, that contains it would be wrong.

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Why do I feel like I'm being trapped... :roll:

I'm saying most southern gospel. I clearly stated several times that it was the driving rock beat and it does characterize much of today's southern gospel.

I don't know who the "Ball Brothers" are but where would you get that I ever said that they would not be blessed of God? I believe listening to sensual music is a sin so those who willfully chose to listen to it would be in sin for that action. And no, I don't believe God blesses ungodly music. Apparently there are traditional southern gospel groups and so I don't label them as a whole. I label the rock beat as a whole as being wrong and any music, of whatever genre, that contains it would be wrong.


I am not trying to trap you. I am trying to understand were you are coming from. The Ball Brothers are a group of brothers from nothern GA. If you want to look at their website pm me and i will give it to you.

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That's okay, I found their website and was immediately greeted by a song(good words) that was obviously rock. I didn't have to stay long, I left that kind of music and when I hear it I can immediately sense it in my spirit regardless of the words. There was a definite rock beat.

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Yeah that's what happened to me when I checked out that group some of you like around here...um...Crimson something or whatever that Christian band alot of you like is.

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That's okay, I found their website and was immediately greeted by a song(good words) that was obviously rock. I didn't have to stay long, I left that kind of music and when I hear it I can immediately sense it in my spirit regardless of the words. There was a definite rock beat.


See here is where I would disagree with you. And I think alot would. We have had this family at our church for several years and probably will continue to do so.

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I will agree that some of today's Southern gospel groups have fallen into the styles of today's pop music. But most haven't. Just because the Gaithers have grown close with pop music doesn't mean the other 99 percent of SG groups have followed. I've said this before: most SG groups cannot afford to write and arrange their own music, so they get their music from the hymnbook. Traditional SG groups have four men and a piano player, and when they sing "Amazing Grace," "His Eye is on the Sparrow," "Heaven's Jubilee," and "This World is Not My Home," you'll have to fight the tears in your eyes.

There is no driving rock beat in traditional Southern gospel music. Just the piano. And there are plenty of current Southern gospel groups today who are maintaining that tradition. To associate Southern gospel music with CCM is a stretch.

I personally take offense that some posters here claim to be more spiritual than others on this issue. Listening to Southern gospel music is not "departing from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils:" I find it much more edifying than classical music. Little classical music since the 12th century has to do with Christianity. And most of classical music before the 12th century was written for the Catholic church. That's not including classical music's roots in Greece and Rome, those bastions of Godliness. And most recent classical music, especially Baroque, owes its orgins to dance music of the day.

At least most Southern gospel music comes from the hymnbook. Since there are no words with classical music, who's to say what the music is about?

But what really saddens me is that attitudes have soured on this board a lot recently. Instead of discussions, topics quickly develop into personal attacks, and I, for one, am getting pretty sick and tired of it. At one time, the board was a source of relaxation and fellowship for me - it's now becoming a source of stress and disappointment in the less-than-God-honoring threads and postings that have arisen.

Please don't let this board become the "Fighting Fundamentalists," or you won't have Mitch to push around anymore (some of you may like that idea anyway).

I'm taking a break ...

Mitch

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Oh I know a lot would disagree, a lot have. Though a lot have also voiced their agreements with me though not publicly. But I'm not worried about what's mainstream because the mainstream is usually wrong about a lot of things.

But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a definite rock beat to that music and the only way you can defend it is by making music amoral.

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Oh I know a lot would disagree, a lot have. Though a lot have also voiced their agreements with me though not publicly. But I'm not worried about what's mainstream because the mainstream is usually wrong about a lot of things.

But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a definite rock beat to that music and the only way you can defend it is by making music amoral.


I don't know if you are directing this towards me but I believe that some here are defending Southern Gospel music biblicaly and are not making music amoral. Like chev said alot of SG groups sing old time hymns and some also use musical instruments that does not come close to being "rock".

As far as the Ball Brothers go, they are a Godly group of brothers and their father is a Godly pastor. If they were not they I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that our pastor would not have them in our church or recommend their music.

I would say another group that follows the old time SG is Greater Vision and they use "can" music.

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Their personal Godliness does not necessarily mean that their music is Godly. The music that greeted me on their site had a definite rock beat. If you base the quality of their music on their character without regards to the music then you make it amoral.

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Their personal Godliness does not necessarily mean that their music is Godly. The music that greeted me on their site had a definite rock beat. If you base the quality of their music on their character without regards to the music then you make it amoral.


Matthew 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

If their Godliness does not go into what they sing then explain Matt. 15:18. The way I see it is what comes out of our moths whether it be what we say, do, or sing is a direct reflection of their heart.

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So you are saying that a Godly person cannot be in sin?
I'm sure they have good motives but it doesn't make everything they do right simply because they have a good heart. Still, you have avoided whether or not music is amoral.

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If I understand the scripture right what people say, sing, and do is a reflection of what is inside. Are they sinless no and never said that they were.

No a Godly person will sin but not continue to live in sin. Are the Ball Brothers living in continual sin or not.

No, I don't believe music is amoral.

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If I understand the scripture right what people say, sing, and do is a reflection of what is inside. Are they sinless no and never said that they were.

No a Godly person will sin but not continue to live in sin. Are the Ball Brothers living in continual sin or not.

No, I don't believe music is amoral.


Sorry to step into this debate :D

I found their site, and that is most certainly rock-like music. I believe they are sincere with their music, that they don't believe they are in sin. Just like Cain thought it was all cool to bring up his 'offerings'

-Alen

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...I can point to situations where those who listened to it became stronger Christians.


Wow, super danger there. Absolutely nothing can make us closer to God than God Himself. I've noticed this kind of thing in CCMers after I decided to quit CCM. They feel that the music makes them closer to God, which has absolutely no Biblical basis, IMHO.

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Since it took me several minutes to load up the first song, no. However the fact is the first song is bad enough for me not to buy their album, even if the rest of the songs were hymns.

Now that I answered that :D Have you listened to the first? :)

-Alen

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As for CCM, I don't know of anything made by God that is highly addictive like CCM is. CCM is still my weak spot, I am still sometimes strongly drawn to it even though I try to resist the urge to listen to it. God doesn't force anything on anybody, so this urge I have to listen and make CCM can't be from Him.

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