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Bill Gaither and the Southern Gospel Crowd

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I know with me, the music was stuff our preacher was listening to and promoting. For awhile we loved it, but then when we really listened to the music and thought about what it was and what it sounded like...we just couldn't do it, no matter what the preacher said was okay.

Well now the preacher is out of the ministry....glad we followed God and not a man.

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So, Will, you are saying that what you listen to is Ok by the Lord? This is a question all of us have to answer about the music we choose to listen to. If you truly have no doubts, then none of those who disagree with you should be offensive to you. And there should be no inkling of doubt, for "whatsoever is not of faith is sin".

If you're convinced, then there's nothing more to be said.

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Kevin, some of us ARE willing to give up our music. I'm willing to give it up if God shows me it's wrong, but He hasn't because it isn't.

Katy-Anne

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Kitagirl, this is a question that can have only a couple of answers: either someone is not obeying the Lord, or they have not grown up yet to that point. God is very gracious in any case, and I am very glad. He has sent me to the woodshed over stuff that I see other IFB's doing as a way of life. Now, I could be like my siblings did when they were younger: "Why didn't HE get spanked, too??" but that would be the wrong attitude. I cannot control what others do, but I can control what I do, and I can teach and train my children in the right paths. Mark it down, the church is steadily getting more worldly, and those who hold to the old paths will be ridiculed.

If a Christian pointed out something that I was doing or not doing that appeared wrong to them, what would my reaction be? Honestly, before I defended myself so quickly, I would ask the Lord to show me if I was wrong....and if I wasn't wrong....did it still appear to be wrong and would I hinder others coming to Christ because of it? Isn't there a verse that says "let not your good be evil spoken of"? I've known of godly Christians who gave up some good things, not questionable things, but good things, just so that they would not hinder a certain individual's life.

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That's what makes us upset. You try to say those of us that enjoy southern gospel music are sinning when you have nothing Biblical whatsoever to back it up with. If you did, I might listen. It doesn't mean we are disobedient. How can you be disobedient when the Bible doesn't tell you you can't do something?

Katy-Anne

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Yes, I guess it does upset you. I recently had something pointed out to me, that I hadn't considered, and I realized that I had to drop that in my life or it would be a hindrance to someone in particular.

I say to you, as I said to Will, if you don't have an inkling of doubt, and your conscience is clear, then nothing more needs to be said to you about it. I would only be causing more anger on your part, and you, obviously would not want to read what I said, so that's
as far as it goes.

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This is a topic where I least understand...why would the Holy Spirit who lives inside me convict me about listening to certain music...but then He would allow other Christians to defend the exact same music I felt led to give up? Do we all worship the same God, or what? :?


I think some people are more sensitive to certain issues than others. It's like where Paul in romans I believe, mentions about meat being offered to idols. Not necessarily a sin to eat, but some new Christians saw it as being a sin to eat such meat. So Paul said basically that there's nothing wrong with eating such meat, but one shouldn't do so at the expense of another believer. I wouldn't listen to such music in my car if I were riding with a fellow believer to whom such would be sin. But I'll listen to it in the privacy of my own car or my own house. But just as I wouldn't press an issue like this where the Bible doesn't say clearly one way or the other, I don't expect others to press their standard on me either. If I were listening to sexually explicit music, or music that were dishonoring to God through filthy lyrics and the like, then it would be the duty of other believers to press on me that this were wrong.

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I don't believe any musical instrument is sinful in of itself, so I don't mind any instrument being used, however the problem is how it is used. I only have one Christian album on my PC that uses drums, which I didn't even notice for a long time, since its use was minimal, and it was very soft. I personally do not listen to the southern type of Christian music, because from what I have heard, it was on the border of being CCM.

-Alen

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Kevin, some of us ARE willing to give up our music. I'm willing to give it up if God shows me it's wrong, but He hasn't because it isn't.

Katy-Anne


Let me ask you this Katy-Anne; did you finish the music fast that you started last year?


But just as I wouldn't press an issue like this where the Bible doesn't say clearly one way or the other, I don't expect others to press their standard on me either.


I believe the Bible does make it clear. It may not say "thou shalt not listen to rock music" but there are principals laid out concerning music.

The music may have drums, but mostly the drums are played softly as well.


You will be surprised how pronounced those soft beats will become if you stop listening to any music that is even close to borderline for 30 days.


I'll post the origins of rock in voodoo music in an hour or so hopefully. And nothing that comes out of satan worship can ever ever be good.

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Kevin is making some very good points... music is extremely hard to give up. Most people are never willing to really sit down and listen to the Holy Spirit regarding their music. It is that controlling!

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Kevin is making some very good points... music is extremely hard to give up. Most people are never willing to really sit down and listen to the Holy Spirit regarding their music. It is that controlling!


I have. :wink:

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The thing is Will, you can't really evaluate a sin(let's assume that it is) when you are still engaging in it. You have to remove that from your life(through the fast) so that it no longer has you in bondage and during that time pray and seek the Lord's wisdom concerning music without being under the influence of it.

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I STILL don't know why the Holy Spirit would tell me "NO" to something and tell somebody else "YES".

:?


If I were to say the Holy Spirit told me not to wear anything beyond casual clothing at church, would that mean every person that does wear formal clothing is sinning against God?

-Alen

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The thing is Will, you can't really evaluate a sin(let's assume that it is) when you are still engaging in it. You have to remove that from your life(through the fast) so that it no longer has you in bondage and during that time pray and seek the Lord's wisdom concerning music without being under the influence of it.


Who say's that I was listening to it when I came to the conclusion that there was nothing wrong with it?

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The Voodoo Origin of Rock 'n' Roll

Music researchers have presented compelling evidence that rock music has its origin in voodoo worship. The following paragraphs are excerpts from a well-documented research paper on this subject.

"The so-called pagan religions share the conviction that religious worship is a bodily celebration. A dance of the entire community."

"The metaphysical goal of the African way is to experience the intense meeting of the human world and the spirit world. Spurred by the holy drums, deep in the meditation of the dance, one is literally entered by a god or a goddess. Goddesses may enter men, and god may enter women.... The body literally becomes the crossroads, human and divine are united within it- and it can happen to anyone."

"In Abomey, Africa, these deities that speak through humans are called vodun. The word means 'mysteries.' From their vodun comes our Voodoo, and it is to Voodoo that we must look for the roots of our music...."

"Voodoo is not so much Africa in the New World as it is Africa meeting the New World, absorbing it and being absorbed by it, and reforming the ancient metaphysics according to what it now had to face...."

"Protestantism and Voodoo are always at odds. A Haitian saying goes, 'If you want the loa(a voodoo god) to leave you alone-become a Protestant(a believer).'"

In explaining the hold that rock music has in evangelical churches and the moral breakdown that is also occurring in these churches, this researcher observes:

"(A church that plays rock is a) church sending out two contradictory signals at the same time, one to the body and one to the mind."

"A doctrine that denies the body (lower nature) preached by a practice that excites the body would eventually drive the body into fulfilling itself elsewhere. Above all denials, the worshiper would long for he body/mind unity felt when the church was 'rocking.' In those churches the African metaphysic and the Western metaphysic would blend, clash, feed, and battle each other in each and every soul."

"Within thirty years, its impact (American rock 'n' roll) would make an American tune distinguishable from a European tune, no matter how straitlaced the music. It would be a music in all its forms that would reject Puritan American even at its mildest; it would have a beat, and in that beat would be everything that denied the split between the mind(spirit) and the body(lower nature)."

"But we are interested here in how the metaphysics lived on in the music not the practices(of voodoo), now, by what evidence there is, mostly degenerated from transcendence to sorcery. These Voodoo nuances linger as a kind of coda to the direct influences of the indigenous African religion or American culture. From here, the African metaphysics will be felt all in the music, all in the body, its direct lineage to Africa a thing of the past."

"Elvis Presley was teh first product of African metaphysics in American which the official culture could not ignore."

"It is important to recognize that when whites started playing rock 'n' roll, the whole aesthetic of Western performance changed....Spurred by a god within him, the devotee...throws himself into a series of improvisations(bodily gestures)....The audience is not taken in: it is to the loa(voodoo god) and not the loa's servant(performer) that their admiration goes out."

"The Voodoo rite of possession by the god became the standard of American performance in rock 'n' roll. Elvis Presley, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, James Brown, Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Jim Morrison, Johnny Rotten, Prince-they let themselves by possessed not by any god they could name but by the spirit they felt in the music. Their behavior in this possession was something Western society had never before tolerated. And the way a possessed devotee in a Voodoo ceremony often will transmit his state of possession to someone else is by merely touching the hand; Western performers transmitted their possession through their voice and their dance to their audience, even through their records."

"Rock 'n' Roll...does preserve qualities of that African metaphysic intact so strongly that is unconsciously generates the same dances acts as a major antidote to the mind/body split, and uses a derivative of Voodoo's technique of possession as a source for performers and audience alike, of tremendous personal energy."

"Music can be understood by the body instantly-it carries so much history within it that we don't need history to understand it."

"From the first, the music has felt like an attack on the institutions(marriage, the family, the church, the government, etc.)-actual and conceptual- that it was, in fact, attacking."

"'If I told you what our music is really about, we'd probably all get arrested,' Bob Dylan told an interviewer in 1965."

"It is a music that won't stop, and it won't leave us alone. It speaks through the body and invokes the spirit."





There is no doubt that rock music is of the world, and we demonstrate our love for the world by copying it, because the greatest evidence of admiration is imitation.

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The Functions of Rock in Releasing Adrenaline


"One of the most powerful releases of the fight-or-flight adrenaline high is music which is discordant in its beat or chords. Good music follows exact mathematical rules, which cause the mind to feel comforted, encouraged, and 'safe.' Musicians have found that when they go against these rules, the listener experiences an addicting high."

"Like unscrupulous 'diet' doctors who addicted their clients to amphetamines to ensure their continued dependence, musicians know that discordant music sells and sells. As in all addictions, victims become tolerant. The same music that once created a pleasant tingle of excitement no longer satisfies. The music must become more jarring, louder, and more discordant. One starts with soft rock, then rock 'n' roll, then on up to heavy metal music."

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Music, as with all other facets of life, is governed by certain rules. Some of the most important rules in music are those which balance harmonies and rhythms with melody.

Judicious infringement of these rules in music enhances it(adds excitement), much as adding a little salt to food enhances its flavor. However, just as too much salt in food is poisonous to the body, too much "excitement" in music is poisonous to the soul

Rock music combines to two most detrimental and dangerous forces in musical composition: driving backbeat and unbalanced chaotic harmonies. These characteristics affect the listener's heartbeat and respiration. More significantly, they are tools with which a musician or performer can manipulate the emotions and behavior of his audience.

Rock music is not a wise choice of listening material for a Christian.

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All excerpts are taken from various authors from the book "How to Conquer the Addiction of Rock Music- Written by Youth Who Have Found Freedom."


What sources do they cite concerning voodoo and rock n'roll connections?

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The voodoo one was a research paper and doesn't give an author credit. The adrenaline and the last post were written by Verle L. Bell, M.D., Psychiatrist and Wendy Vanessa Griffin, Tennessee, respectively.

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Kevin, you are trying to say that those young people that listen to CCM are in rebellion. Some of the most hardcore Christian youth I know, the ones that love God with all their heart and interested in serving Him with their life listen to CCM and Southern Gospel. On the other hand, I know very few that were raised on conservative music only that are interested in serving the Lord. A lot of the youth in the church here have a passion for the Lord like I have never seen in youth before, and a lot of them listen to Southern Gospel and some CCM.

Katy-Anne

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