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Bill Gaither and the Southern Gospel Crowd

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Trust me Kevin, while you may think that it's only you and those that agree with you that want to bang your heads against the wall, let me assure you that those of us that can't get through to you feel exactly the same way. :D

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Trust me Kevin, while you may think that it's only you and those that agree with you that want to bang your heads against the wall, let me assure you that those of us that can't get through to you feel exactly the same way. :D

Katy-Anne


Except we have facts and Scripture on our side whereas you have "it's not in the Bible" on your side. :wink:

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Oh no, I have PLENTY of Scripture on my side, and mines in context. :D

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The problem is, when a person doesn't want to hear it, everything Scriptural will be "taken out of context." And God's character is illustrated in nature so science is not irrelevant. Anything that promotes disorder or sensuality is wrong. Rock music has its origins in satanic worship, anyone who won't admit that fact hasn't studied music.


How about the music scholars who dispute that idea? Rock music is a relatively new invention, only the past 60 years or so.

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We are now opposed to using CCM as a ministry tool for teens because it only feeds their natural desires and passions; it does not produce the fruit of the Spirit. Even with the 'good Christian alternatives' we gave them[(artists with good testimonies)], instead they craved more worldly music and their love for the world seemed to increase rather than decrease. Bible study and prayer could not co-exist in their lives alongside the sensuality of CCM.

-Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement by Dan Lucarini-

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-Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement by Dan Lucarini-


I disagree with the Author's argument here. My youth group at a more "liberal" church I attended listened to CCM, P&W music was played in church, etc. And yet, all of us in the youth group were very conservative, fierce Bible believers, who loved the Lord. We did witnessing, had prayer meetings and Bible studies, on our OWN time. We'd just call each other up and say "Hey, let's meet at the church and have a Bible study or prayer meeting." We had our own prayer chain, and were very active in getting the church involved in evangalistic outreach programs.

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That's interesting. But not knowing the church personally I can't really comment. That certainly isn't the norm.


From what I've seen, the norm is for kids in any church to gravitate towards doing away with standards. Both IFB churches and non-IFB churches. In fact, some of the most ungodly young people I've seen have come out of IFB churches. It's not the music that's necessarily the problem.

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From what I've seen, the norm is for kids in any church to gravitate towards doing away with standards. Both IFB churches and non-IFB churches. In fact, some of the most ungodly young people I've seen have come out of IFB churches. It's not the music that's necessarily the problem.


No, but it is a symptom of the problem.

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Because rock music is not of God and millions are being deceived into thinking that if we have words that talk about Christ with the world's music then suddenly it becomes Christian.


And we know rock music is not of God how?

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lol, are we going to do this all over again? *sigh*
If you go up farther in this thread or read a few of the past threads you will find all the information you need to know why we believe it is wrong. :)

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You have never yet proved anything about why you believe it is wrong, Kevin. All you have is opinion.

And if you don't like John quoting books to read on the interracial marriage thread, don't suggest books written by man for us to read on this thread either.

Katy-Anne

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You have never yet proved anything about why you believe it is wrong, Kevin. All you have is opinion.

And if you don't like John quoting books to read on the interracial marriage thread, don't suggest books written by man for us to read on this thread either.

Katy-Anne


Oh bother. I have never stated my personal opinion on the subject of music. I used a book written by someone who had experience with CCM because I thought it was very true. I have posted enough other Scripture to back up my beliefs. The difference is, John hasn't posted any Scripture at all.

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I have heard so many Southern Gospel songs that are made up almost entirely of KJV Scripture. You don't even get that much with traditional hymns.

Katy-Anne

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I have heard so many Southern Gospel songs that are made up almost entirely of KJV Scripture. You don't even get that much with traditional hymns.

Katy-Anne


So have I Katy-Anne.

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Here are some testimonies and SCRIPTURES. He (and she) that hath ears to hear, let them hear.

A WITNESS THAT THE "ROCK BEAT" DOES GIVE "GROUND" TO THE DEVIL

"In 1981, I was driving down a jungle road in the Ivory Coast with several African pastors in the car with me. I had recently received a couple of cassette tapes from our denominational headquarters that were intended for our teenaged daughter.

"These were recordings of various 'Christian rock' artists. In listening to the tapes, I was very disturbed in my own spirit that such material was being sent to our missionary kids.

"But not trusting my own reaction alone and realizing that these pastors with whom I was traveling were very sensitive to the spirit world (both good and evil), I decided to play the tapes for them. The reaction I got was immediate and verbally violent!

"One of the pastors asked me this question, 'Do you mean to tell us that this kind of music is played in your churches in America?'

"I answered in the affirmative. His response was filled with disgust and anger as he replied with another question. 'What are you doing allowing your church people in America to call up the evil spirits with their music?"

Rev. Joe Meyers, Tacoma, Washington

THE "ROCK BEAT" MOCKS GOD'S COMMAND TO "LOVE NOT THE WORLD."

There is absolutely no way that Christians who love the "rock beat" can deny that they love the world. The "rock beat" not only originated with the ungodly elements of this world, but it expresses the evil intentions of the world's system which is opposed to Christ and His Truth. The very phrase "rock 'n' roll" describes a form of immorality. To say that we can have "Christian rock" is like saying we can have "Christian immorality."

Furthermore the "rock beat" does not come alone. It was originally designed to stir up and express rebellion to authority, as well as immorality. Those who try to put Christian words to a "rock beat" are simply imitating the world, and because one of the strongest evidences of admiration is imitation, they are guilty of violating God's command in 1 John 2:15-16:

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

God condemns any Christian who loves the world.

"Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" (James 4.4).

Christians are to be in the world but not of the world. We are not to be influenced by their evil ways; instead, we are to be a light in their darkness.

God brought judgment to His own people when they ". . . mingled among the heathen, and learned their works. And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. Therefore was the wrath of the Lord kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance. And he gave them into the hand of the heathen; and they that hated them ruled over them" (Psalm 106:35-42).

THE "ROCK BEAT" DISREGARDS GOD'S COMMAND NOT TO OFFEND OTHER CHRISTIANS

On Friday afternoon, May 18, 1990, a twenty-year-old man attending the Detroit Basic Seminar asked the following question.

"Several years ago I was saved out of a life of immorality and drugs. The church I began attending told me to get rid of my rock music. I did and have been growing in the Lord. But now my church is playing the same kind of music they told me to give up. What am I to do?"

This grievous question exposes the violation of the law of love in the matter of "Christian rock" music. It brings us directly to the appeal of the Apostle Paul regarding questionable things: It is good not to do "â

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Southern Gospel, CCM, rock, etc. share the same back beat and spirit.


Uh, no they don't. Southern Gospel does not share the same spirit as CCM and rock 'n' roll. Some of today's big-name Southern gospel groups may be absorbing some styles of CCM, but the same spirit? You're basing your opinion on the Gaithers, but I can show you plenty of other Southern gospel groups that are staying "pure," so to speak.

Mitch

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Without evidence? :?

I thought there was quite a lot of evidence. The rock beat didn't exist outside of Satanic worship until it started infiltrating into our secular music in the 20th century and eventually into the church. The only cultures that I can think of that use the repetitive drum beat(rock beat) in their traditional music are the Africans and the American Indians, both of which use them in their occultic rituals and chants. I was watching an American Indian chant yesterday and was surprised how much their dancing mimicked that of modern dance to rock music. Not much has changed...just the perception of it. :roll:


Sorry I am confused, are you saying drums are wrong?

-Alen

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