Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I must have missed that clause: Thou must tithe unless thou art a preacher or a teacher. Besides, according to your logic that only accounts for Christ after He turned 30 - not before. He fulfilled all the Law - if He didn't, He was not righteous and could never save anyone. You apparently did miss it. Christ began His ministry at a much younger age than 30. He was teaching in the temple at 12. And when reprimanded, He answered Mary and Joseph "wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 The only Israelites not required to tithe under the Law were the Levites. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, therefore He had to tithe. Try again. Jesus was poor, no earthly house, no land, no crops, no herds. He was not required to tithe. He had nothing to tithe. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. If they die in their sins, they are not Christ's. As a matter of fact, all the tithing in the world was not going to amount to anything once Christ came on the scene if they did not believe in Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chev1958 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 So many do not study the Word of God as God commands and end up believing the lies taught behind the pulpit by greedy preachers or unlearned preachers when it comes to tithing. Greedy and unlearned? I know many learned pastors who cherish the Word of God and preach tithing. I wouldn't call them greedy nor unlearned, and I doubt what they're preaching would be classified as "lies." Lies are intentional untruths intended to deceive. As evidenced in this debate, there are a lot of learned folks much smarter than me who seem to have no qualms about tithing. If they're actually wrong, then it's a mistake or misinterpretation of Scripture, but not a lie. Just like our debates on clothing, Christmas trees, and Easter. So, please refrain from such outlandish statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chev1958 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Jesus was poor, no earthly house, no land, no crops, no herds. He was not required to tithe. He had nothing to tithe. Try again. That's not what you said earlier. You're changing your argument. You said preachers and teachers were not required to tithe, which was an erroneous statement. That's what I was responding to. I'm sorry I can only ready what you type, not what you intended to type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chev1958 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. If they die in their sins, they are not Christ's. As a matter of fact, all the tithing in the world was not going to amount to anything once Christ came on the scene if they did not believe in Him. Again, I ask what has this got to do with the Pharisees tithing? They were following the Law. Tithing had nothing to do with their belief in Jesus as the Messiah. Mitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Greedy and unlearned? I know many learned pastors who cherish the Word of God and preach tithing. I wouldn't call them greedy nor unlearned, and I doubt what they're preaching would be classified as "lies." Lies are intentional untruths intended to deceive. As evidenced in this debate, there are a lot of learned folks much smarter than me who seem to have no qualms about tithing. If they're actually wrong, then it's a mistake or misinterpretation of Scripture, but not a lie. Just like our debates on clothing, Christmas trees, and Easter. So, please refrain from such outlandish statements. If they preach tithing was money, or unless they can prove they are of the tribe of Levites (the only ones authorized by God's Word to collect tithes), then they are preaching and collecting tithing in ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Again, I ask what has this got to do with the Pharisees tithing? They were following the Law. Tithing had nothing to do with their belief in Jesus as the Messiah. Mitch Actually, Jesus proved that they were not following the Law, though they claimed they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tired Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 I will keep giving cheerfully and joyfully, believing that God commands me to and I am happy to keep missions going and taking care of our staff. I just started tithing last year and all my needs have been met. I am not saying just tithing will get your needs met. I am saying that trying to walk with God and reading the word and praying and witnessing has blessed me so much. If a pastor is up there preaching on tithing all the time and he has 2 benzs then I have a problem. That money is the Lords for his work not keeping up with TD Jakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chev1958 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Actually, Jesus proved that they were not following the Law, though they claimed they were.Maybe so, but it still has nothing to do with their belief whether Jesus was the Messiah or not.If they preach tithing was money, or unless they can prove they are of the tribe of Levites (the only ones authorized by God's Word to collect tithes), then they are preaching and collecting tithing in ignorance.OK, in ignorance, but that's not the same as lying (intentionally deceiving), which is what you were claiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 Preachers and Teachers were not required to tithe. Look it up. Even in the Levitical Priesthood, Priests did not tithe to Priests.. Priesst did not tithe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 A lie is a lie whether intentional or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members chev1958 Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 A lie is a lie whether intentional or not.No, it ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Standing Firm In Christ Posted November 14, 2007 Members Share Posted November 14, 2007 If I told you I was going to send you a thousand dollars, and failed to do so, not because of intention, but because something came up and I used that money for something important, what was originally meant as a truth became a lie. James clearly shows that we should be careful of our tongues, saying things like 'if the Lord will' when we make promises. Why? Because if we are not able to fulfill that promise, then we have lied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Pastor Matt Posted November 14, 2007 Administrators Share Posted November 14, 2007 Dictionary definition of "lie" 1. A false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. 2. Something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one. 3. An inaccurate or false statement. 4. The charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers. 5. To speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive. 6. To express what is false; convey a false impression. So Chev is Right on what a lie is. Don't get mad at me, get mad at the dictionary. :lol Anyways, the direction of this thread is not looking so good. Time to keep things civil, thread locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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