Members lettheredeemedsayso Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote] How then did David have this assurance? [/quote] He had his assurance just like we do "by faith" Check out Hebrews 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Katy-Anne"] Madeline, it was the bit about repentance not being part of salvation that I thought was really strange. In many places the Bible does teach repentance. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't even understand the rest. :lol: Katy-Anne [/quote] Hebrews is not about millennial blessings it is about showing the Jewish believers how Jesus is better than all the things they adhered to and that they must not forsake Christianity because of persecution. Jesus is better. He fulfilled all the O.T. law and prophecies. Read Hebrews carefully and you'll see that Jesus is better than the angels, Abraham, Moses, the Law, the Levitical Priesthood, the High Priest (Aaron), the Tabernacle. The law was a shadow of things to come and Jesus brought a new testament, a new covenant, one that the blood of bulls and goats could not equal for they could not take away sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="lettheredeemedsayso"] [quote]How then did David have this assurance? [/quote] He had his assurance just like we do "by faith" Check out Hebrews 11[/quote] Yes, I know. I was asking Kathie if she knew why because of her previous questions about O.T. saints and faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lettheredeemedsayso Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote] Hebrews is not about millennial blessings it is about showing the Jewish believers how Jesus is better than all the things they adhered to and that they must not forsake Christianity because of persecution. Jesus is better. He fulfilled all the O.T. law and prophecies. Read Hebrews carefully and you'll see that Jesus is better than the angels, Abraham, Moses, the Law, the Levitical Priesthood, the High Priest (Aaron), the Tabernacle. The law was a shadow of things to come and Jesus brought a new testament, a new covenant, one that the blood of bulls and goats could not equal for they could not take away sin. [/quote] Absolutely awesome post!!! [quote] Yes, I know. I was asking Kathie if she knew why because of her previous questions about O.T. saints and faith. [/quote] Sorry :hide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="lettheredeemedsayso"] Sorry :hide [/quote] No problem. :D Sometimes the questions and answers aren't in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 Several great posts Jess!!! Thank you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Madeline Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Katy-Anne"] Madeline, it was the bit about repentance not being part of salvation that I thought was really strange. In many places the Bible does teach repentance. And to be perfectly honest, I didn't even understand the rest. :lol: Katy-Anne [/quote] When considering such things as repentance we cannot start with the OT. The reason we must not start with the OT is because most of the Bible was written by (through the Holy Spirit, of course) and to, Israelites. That means that first century Jews had a mind set about repentance before the opening of the NT. We must understand that mind set in order to understand the NT. How can we understand that mind set? By reading the same Word of God that the first century Jews had, i.e. the OT. Yes, I absolutley agree with everyine else here. Throughout every dispensation one was saved by grace through faith.It is God who [b]grants[/b] us repentance (Acts 5:30,31; 11:17; 2 Tim. 2:24-26), it has to do with blessings and avoidance of punishments. There is no such thing as 'dispensational salvation because salvation is a universal truth, i.e. it is the same way in every dispensation. Love, Madeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Randy Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Bakershalfdozen"] How then did David have this assurance? Ps. 23:6b and I [b]will[/b] dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. [/quote] In the KJV, there is a difference between 'will' and 'shall'. 'Will' implies desire or intent, while 'shall' is more of a promise. Not sure if there is basis in the Hebrew behind this passage or not. _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 Madeline, please tell us your salvation testimony. Was there ever a time when you saw yourself as a wicked, vile sinner? Was there ever a time when you realized that your sinfulness offended a holy and righteous God? Was there ever a time when you realized that you could never do enough or be good enough or smart enough to attain to God's standards? Did you then change your mind about the way you viewed sin and cried out to God for forgiveness and mercy? This is not a trick question, neither am I being snippy. I really want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Madeline Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Bakershalfdozen"] Madeline, please tell us your salvation testimony. Was there ever a time when you saw yourself as a wicked, vile sinner? Was there ever a time when you realized that your sinfulness offended a holy and righteous God? Was there ever a time when you realized that you could never do enough or be good enough or smart enough to attain to God's standards? Did you then change your mind about the way you viewed sin and cried out to God for forgiveness and mercy? [b]This is not a trick question[/b], neither am I being snippy. I really want to know. [/quote] And this is not a trick response. Sorry, I don't feel comfortable sharing my testimony on a public forum. Why not have every member here share their testimony also? :) But interesting you should ask. It is also interesting that just yesterday we got together and had a bible study late in the evening. We discussed how the enemy will make attempts to have us question our salvation. So as you can see, this topic touches me. I can tell you for certain that if I do so happen to slip up and sin, my heart breaks and I feel the God given conviction of the Holy Ghost. Because I do love God, and it breaks my heart to know that I have sinned against Him. Psalm 23:6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 I'm sure most folks here would be glad to share their testimony. I feel you do not have a proper understanding of repentance. I was born spiritually when I saw myself for the wicked, vile sinner that I am. I knew God's law and knew that it condemned me. How could anyone ever go through life having never sinned? I was condemned to go to hell. But I cried out for mercy, having changed my mind (repentance) about the way I viewed sin. I could see that it is horribly offensive to a holy God. In faith, I asked God to save me believing that Jesus alone paid the penalty of my sin for me on the cross and that He didn't stay dead, but rose from that grave. The same power that brought Jesus back to life is the same power that saved me and is sanctifying me. Christians still sin but the attitude towards it is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Bakershalfdozen Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 This topic touches me because I grew up in a church that pushed for numbers to the exclusion of real conversions. Soulwinner: "Do you want to go to Heaven?" Sinner: "Of course; doesn't everybody?" Soulwinner: "Then just ask Jesus into your heart." Sinner: "Ok. Dear Jesus come into my heart and save me." Soulwinner: "Now you're saved and going to Heaven." There was no teaching the law of God to show the need for a change of mind. There was no teaching to show the need of a Saviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Madeline"] [quote="Bakershalfdozen"]Madeline, please tell us your salvation testimony. Was there ever a time when you saw yourself as a wicked, vile sinner? Was there ever a time when you realized that your sinfulness offended a holy and righteous God? Was there ever a time when you realized that you could never do enough or be good enough or smart enough to attain to God's standards? Did you then change your mind about the way you viewed sin and cried out to God for forgiveness and mercy? [b]This is not a trick question[/b], neither am I being snippy. I really want to know. [/quote] And this is not a trick response. Sorry, I don't feel comfortable sharing my testimony on a public forum. Why not have every member here share their testimony also? :) But interesting you should ask. It is also interesting that just yesterday we got together and had a bible study late in the evening. We discussed how the enemy will make attempts to have us question our salvation. So as you can see, this topic touches me. I can tell you for certain that if I do so happen to slip up and sin, my heart breaks and I feel the God given conviction of the Holy Ghost. Because I do love God, and it breaks my heart to know that I have sinned against Him. Psalm 23:6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Bakershalfdozen"] This topic touches me because I grew up in a church that pushed for numbers to the exclusion of real conversions. Soulwinner: "Do you want to go to Heaven?" Sinner: "Of course; doesn't everybody?" Soulwinner: "Then just ask Jesus into your heart." Sinner: "Ok. Dear Jesus come into my heart and save me." Soulwinner: "Now you're saved and going to Heaven." There was no teaching the law of God to show the need for a change of mind. There was no teaching to show the need of a Saviour. [/quote] Sadly, that describes the vast majority of churches in this area. This is the reason we have a town full of professing Christians but no fruit to show for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Madeline Posted February 4, 2007 Members Share Posted February 4, 2007 [quote="Bakershalfdozen"] This topic touches me because I grew up in a church that pushed for numbers to the exclusion of real conversions. Soulwinner: "Do you want to go to Heaven?" Sinner: "Of course; doesn't everybody?" Soulwinner: "Then just ask Jesus into your heart." Sinner: "Ok. Dear Jesus come into my heart and save me." Soulwinner: "Now you're saved and going to Heaven." There was no teaching the law of God to show the need for a change of mind. There was no teaching to show the need of a Saviour. [/quote] That's easy believeism. Furthermore, there is nothing scriptural about the sinners prayer. Now regarding your previous post. 2 Corinthians 7:10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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