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Which prophet told you that?


That would be the Apostle John. Looks like you already answered this question in your post:

Islam doesn't pretend to be Christianity, ie. the religion of the Bible - Catholicism does.


Exactly! From the horse's mouth. And we are opposed to it for the exact reason that it is an imposter, a false religion, a demonic imitation of the truth.
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That would be the Apostle John. Looks like you already answered this question in your post:



Exactly! From the horse's mouth. And we are opposed to it for the exact reason that it is an imposter, a false religion, a demonic imitation of the truth.


You mean John told you that a "body of people proclaiming Jesus as Christ and the Son of God who was to his human nature put to death and raised bodily from the dead and sits at the right hand of God" that is what Jesus had John write down? Which verse

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Randy, :praying what are you talking about?

Let's make it simple for you:

1) According to the Bible, how does someone get saved?

2) What does the Catholic church teach about how to get saved?

3) Are you saved? How did you get saved?

Until you can answer these questions, you will probably just keep dancing in circles, getting nowhere.

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Randy, :praying what are you talking about?

Let's make it simple for you:

1) According to the Bible, how does someone get saved?

2) What does the Catholic church teach about how to get saved?

3) Are you saved? How did you get saved?

Until you can answer these questions, you will probably just keep dancing in circles, getting nowhere.


We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ.

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here are some little quirks in the rcc:

Catechism of the Catholic Church


963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head." "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."

2674 Mary gave her consent in faith at the Annunciation and maintained it without hesitation at the foot of the Cross. Ever since, her motherhood has extended to the brothers and sisters of her Son "who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties." Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer; Mary, his mother and ours, is wholly transparent to him: she "shows the way" (hodigitria), and is herself "the Sign" of the way, according to the traditional iconography of East and West.

2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.

509 Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself

491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.-Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation." Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

15 The second part of the Catechism explains how God's salvation, accomplished once for all through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is made present in the sacred actions of the Church's liturgy (Section One), especially in the seven sacraments (Section Two).

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And you won't find the words "trinity" or "rapture" in our English Bible either. So what is your point?

Revelation 17 gives a clear description of the Catholic church. When you compare each particular mentioned with the Catholic church, you will find it lines up 100%.

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We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ.

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Randy, what you have said is true. But the difference is they never ever completely believed that they are saved or they dont have the assurance that if they died at that very moment that they would go to heaven. The reason for this is that most Catholics believe that they if they die with unconfessed sin in their life they will go to hell. ie: last rites This gives us evidence that they are not trusting in the precious blood of Jesus Christ they are trusting in their ability to live a sinless life. But the truth of scripture teaches us that we are not able. We are sinners. We needed a spotless Lamb. It is He that paid the price of our redemption. He was our Kinsman Redeemer. Until we place all our faith and trust in what He accomplished in His death burial and resurrection we are not saved. Salvation doesn't rest in our abilities to remain sinless. It rests in the merit of His Son that day at Calvary. Until we are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit we are unable to keep the commandments and follow Him.
It is not a matter of disliking a religion it is a matter of believing the Word of God and following it.
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Randy, what you have said is true. But the difference is they never ever completely believed that they are saved or they dont have the assurance that if they died at that very moment that they would go to heaven. The reason for this is that most Catholics believe that they if they die with unconfessed sin in their life they will go to hell. ie: last rites This gives us evidence that they are not trusting in the precious blood of Jesus Christ they are trusting in their ability to live a sinless life. But the truth of scripture teaches us that we are not able. We are sinners. We needed a spotless Lamb. It is He that paid the price of our redemption. He was our Kinsman Redeemer. Until we place all our faith and trust in what He accomplished in His death burial and resurrection we are not saved. Salvation doesn't rest in our abilities to remain sinless. It rests in the merit of His Son that day at Calvary. Until we are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit we are unable to keep the commandments and follow Him.
It is not a matter of disliking a religion it is a matter of believing the Word of God and following it.


I am not sure how you can know what you wrote. Only God would know that as there are millions of catholics. Anyway we are getting further from the topic that a "Christian" body is not the enemy depicted in the book of Rev.

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I am not sure how you can know what you wrote. Only God would know that as there are millions of catholics. Anyway we are getting further from the topic that a "Christian" body is not the enemy depicted in the book of Rev.

Randy


Not really, since if one goes by the Word of God, the Catholic Church isn't a Christian body.
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"Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho." Joshua 6:26
"Since he was cursed who rebuilt Jericho, much more the man who labours to restore Popery among us. In our fathers' days the gigantic walls of Popery fell by the power of their faith, the perseverance of their efforts, and the blast of their gospel trumpets; and now there are some who would rebuild that accursed system upon its old foundations. O Lord, be please to thwart their unrighteous endeavours, and pull down every stone which they build. It should be a serious business with us to be thoroughly purged of every error which may have a tendency to foster the spirit of Popery, and when we have made a clean sweep at home we should seek in every way to oppose its all too rapid spread abroad in the church and in the world. This last can be done in secret by fervent prayer, and in public by decided testimony. We must warn with judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must instruct the young in gospel truth, and tell them of the black doings of Popery in the olden times. We must aid in spreading the light more thoroughly through the land, for priests, like owls, hate daylight. Are we doing all we can for Jesus and the gospel? If not, our negligence plays into the hands of priestcraft. What are we doing to spread the Bible, which is the Pope's bane and poison? Are we casting abroad good, sound gospel writings? Luther once said, 'The devil hates goose quills,' and doubtless, he has good reason, for ready writers, by the Holy Spirit's blessing, have done his kingdom much damage. If the thousands who will read this short word this night will do all they can to hinder the rebuilding of his accursed Jericho, the Lord's glory shall speed among the sons of men. Reader, what can you do? What will you do?"


From "Evening By Evening" by Charles Spurgeon
Uhrichsville, Barbour and Company, 1991.

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Yeah, but they don't have the potential to become the centre of one world religion, one combined Islamic, apostate Christian, Catholic and secular Jewish "spiritual mother city". Take these and add to them the many other minor religions that already profess Jerusalem as their spiritual mother city.

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Yeah' date=' but they don't have the potential to become the centre of one world religion, one combined Islamic, apostate Christian, Catholic and secular Jewish "spiritual mother city". Take these and add with many others minor religions that already profess Jerusalem as their spiritual mother city.[/quote']


This is true - I just like throwing that in sometimes when I'm talking to someone about Rev.

I believe the ancient city of Babylon was also built on 7 hills - and that is where one of my profs in college believed the center of the Anti-Christ's activities would be (this was way before LaHaye's books...). He believed that the church would be a revival of the Babylonian church (which is the RCC w/o any mention of Christ, and would allow the Muslim faith to fit in well).
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We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ.

Randy

The Roman Catholic Church teaches "another jesus" and "another gospel"

Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


The "jesus" of the RCC is a "wafer" and the "gospel" of the RCC is "salvation by works". This is NOT the Jesus of the Bible and nor is the "gospel" of the RCC the Biblical gospel of salvation by grace alone.

Dave Hunt's book "A Woman Rides The Beast" is an excellent book. Also, the material by David Cloud on Roman Catholicism is a great resource.
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There is more criteria in the Bible for identifying the endtime city built on seven hills. A study of Revelation 17 shows that only Rome fits all the things listed in it.

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