Members RandyW Posted September 16, 2007 Members Share Posted September 16, 2007 There is nothing in the book of Revelation that uses the term "Catholic Church" . Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted September 16, 2007 Members Share Posted September 16, 2007 And you won't find the words "trinity" or "rapture" in our English Bible either. So what is your point? Revelation 17 gives a clear description of the Catholic church. When you compare each particular mentioned with the Catholic church, you will find it lines up 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members lettheredeemedsayso Posted September 16, 2007 Members Share Posted September 16, 2007 We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ. Randy Randy, what you have said is true. But the difference is they never ever completely believed that they are saved or they dont have the assurance that if they died at that very moment that they would go to heaven. The reason for this is that most Catholics believe that they if they die with unconfessed sin in their life they will go to hell. ie: last rites This gives us evidence that they are not trusting in the precious blood of Jesus Christ they are trusting in their ability to live a sinless life. But the truth of scripture teaches us that we are not able. We are sinners. We needed a spotless Lamb. It is He that paid the price of our redemption. He was our Kinsman Redeemer. Until we place all our faith and trust in what He accomplished in His death burial and resurrection we are not saved. Salvation doesn't rest in our abilities to remain sinless. It rests in the merit of His Son that day at Calvary. Until we are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit we are unable to keep the commandments and follow Him. It is not a matter of disliking a religion it is a matter of believing the Word of God and following it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RandyW Posted September 17, 2007 Members Share Posted September 17, 2007 Randy, what you have said is true. But the difference is they never ever completely believed that they are saved or they dont have the assurance that if they died at that very moment that they would go to heaven. The reason for this is that most Catholics believe that they if they die with unconfessed sin in their life they will go to hell. ie: last rites This gives us evidence that they are not trusting in the precious blood of Jesus Christ they are trusting in their ability to live a sinless life. But the truth of scripture teaches us that we are not able. We are sinners. We needed a spotless Lamb. It is He that paid the price of our redemption. He was our Kinsman Redeemer. Until we place all our faith and trust in what He accomplished in His death burial and resurrection we are not saved. Salvation doesn't rest in our abilities to remain sinless. It rests in the merit of His Son that day at Calvary. Until we are saved and have the indwelling Holy Spirit we are unable to keep the commandments and follow Him. It is not a matter of disliking a religion it is a matter of believing the Word of God and following it. I am not sure how you can know what you wrote. Only God would know that as there are millions of catholics. Anyway we are getting further from the topic that a "Christian" body is not the enemy depicted in the book of Rev. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members John81 Posted September 18, 2007 Members Share Posted September 18, 2007 I am not sure how you can know what you wrote. Only God would know that as there are millions of catholics. Anyway we are getting further from the topic that a "Christian" body is not the enemy depicted in the book of Rev. Randy Not really, since if one goes by the Word of God, the Catholic Church isn't a Christian body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tired Posted September 18, 2007 Members Share Posted September 18, 2007 :amen: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members tired Posted September 18, 2007 Members Share Posted September 18, 2007 "Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho." Joshua 6:26 "Since he was cursed who rebuilt Jericho, much more the man who labours to restore Popery among us. In our fathers' days the gigantic walls of Popery fell by the power of their faith, the perseverance of their efforts, and the blast of their gospel trumpets; and now there are some who would rebuild that accursed system upon its old foundations. O Lord, be please to thwart their unrighteous endeavours, and pull down every stone which they build. It should be a serious business with us to be thoroughly purged of every error which may have a tendency to foster the spirit of Popery, and when we have made a clean sweep at home we should seek in every way to oppose its all too rapid spread abroad in the church and in the world. This last can be done in secret by fervent prayer, and in public by decided testimony. We must warn with judicious boldness those who are inclined towards the errors of Rome; we must instruct the young in gospel truth, and tell them of the black doings of Popery in the olden times. We must aid in spreading the light more thoroughly through the land, for priests, like owls, hate daylight. Are we doing all we can for Jesus and the gospel? If not, our negligence plays into the hands of priestcraft. What are we doing to spread the Bible, which is the Pope's bane and poison? Are we casting abroad good, sound gospel writings? Luther once said, 'The devil hates goose quills,' and doubtless, he has good reason, for ready writers, by the Holy Spirit's blessing, have done his kingdom much damage. If the thousands who will read this short word this night will do all they can to hinder the rebuilding of his accursed Jericho, the Lord's glory shall speed among the sons of men. Reader, what can you do? What will you do?" From "Evening By Evening" by Charles Spurgeon Uhrichsville, Barbour and Company, 1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mountainview Posted November 21, 2007 Members Share Posted November 21, 2007 Mind if I throw a spanner in the works: secular Jerusalem is also founded on 7 hills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted November 21, 2007 Administrators Share Posted November 21, 2007 Mind if I throw a spanner in the works: secular Jerusalem is also founded on 7 hills! So are Seattle, Cincinnati and San Francisco! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mountainview Posted November 21, 2007 Members Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yeah, but they don't have the potential to become the centre of one world religion, one combined Islamic, apostate Christian, Catholic and secular Jewish "spiritual mother city". Take these and add to them the many other minor religions that already profess Jerusalem as their spiritual mother city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted November 21, 2007 Administrators Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yeah' date=' but they don't have the potential to become the centre of one world religion, one combined Islamic, apostate Christian, Catholic and secular Jewish "spiritual mother city". Take these and add with many others minor religions that already profess Jerusalem as their spiritual mother city.[/quote'] This is true - I just like throwing that in sometimes when I'm talking to someone about Rev. I believe the ancient city of Babylon was also built on 7 hills - and that is where one of my profs in college believed the center of the Anti-Christ's activities would be (this was way before LaHaye's books...). He believed that the church would be a revival of the Babylonian church (which is the RCC w/o any mention of Christ, and would allow the Muslim faith to fit in well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mountainview Posted November 21, 2007 Members Share Posted November 21, 2007 ancient city of Babylon was also built on 7 hills. Hmm ... I like it, but you would really have to convince me because it sat on the floodplain of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators HappyChristian Posted November 21, 2007 Administrators Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hmm ... I like it, but you would really have to convince me because it sat on the floodplain of the Euphrates and Tigris rivers. Here's some interesting stuff I found...haven't read all of ithttp://www.accordingtothescriptures.org ... stery.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LindaR Posted November 21, 2007 Members Share Posted November 21, 2007 We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ. Randy The Roman Catholic Church teaches "another jesus" and "another gospel"Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Galatians 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. The "jesus" of the RCC is a "wafer" and the "gospel" of the RCC is "salvation by works". This is NOT the Jesus of the Bible and nor is the "gospel" of the RCC the Biblical gospel of salvation by grace alone. Dave Hunt's book "A Woman Rides The Beast" is an excellent book. Also, the material by David Cloud on Roman Catholicism is a great resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Jerry Posted November 22, 2007 Members Share Posted November 22, 2007 There is more criteria in the Bible for identifying the endtime city built on seven hills. A study of Revelation 17 shows that only Rome fits all the things listed in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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