Catholic Church in Revelation

[RandyW]

The Catholic Institution is full of bad apples. It's an apostate religion. There may be some Christians in there, but that's because they haven't learned yet.

Go visit one one sunday - lots of true believers
Randy

[Jerry]

Go visit one one sunday - lots of true believers

Not according to this verse:

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Catholics believe in a works-based salvation - therefore they are not true believers according to the Bible.

[RandyW]

Not according to this verse:

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Catholics believe in a works-based salvation - therefore they are not true believers according to the Bible.

Going to church isn't what saves a person. Going to Jesus does, which is what we agree on. However, I state you are mistaken to believe that people who go to mass on Sundays don't also don't go to Jesus in prayer prompted by a sincere faith in Him.

Randy

[Jerry]

You can't believe in the mass and in Jesus' complete atonement for your sins at the same time - they are mutually exclusive of each other!

In the book of Hebrews, it quite clearly states over and over that Jesus offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER. The Catholic mass is a RESACRIFICING of Christ on the altar every day.

Either someone believes Jesus paid it all - or we must add to what He did. The second option is works-based and is a false gospel, damning all those deceived by it - which is what the RC church has done.

[Bakershalfdozen]

We saw a slide show today from a missions trip to Italy. One of the pics was of a piece of Catholic art that showed "God the Father" and "God the Son" giving Mary their crowns and exalting her above themselves. That is the essence of Catholicism - Mary-olatry. Catholicism is idolatry and paganism.

[jchahl]

We saw a slide show today from a missions trip to Italy. One of the pics was of a piece of Catholic art that showed "God the Father" and "God the Son" giving Mary their crowns and exalting her above themselves. That is the essence of Catholicism - Mary-olatry. Catholicism is idolatry and paganism.

I wouldn't say that it's the "essence" of Catholicism.

[Jerry]

It's certainly one of its primary features.

[RandyW]

You can't believe in the mass and in Jesus' complete atonement for your sins at the same time - they are mutually exclusive of each other!

In the book of Hebrews, it quite clearly states over and over that Jesus offered ONE sacrifice for sins FOREVER. The Catholic mass is a RESACRIFICING of Christ on the altar every day.

Either someone believes Jesus paid it all - or we must add to what He did. The second option is works-based and is a false gospel, damning all those deceived by it - which is what the RC church has done.

But going to Jesus does save and He, not us, is the judge. As I stated maybe you should go and attend a service and meet the people as it would help you see.
Randy

[Jerry]

Been to many a Catholic church - I know what they teach. Yes, Jesus is the Judge - and He has also quite clearly stated in His Word HOW someone is saved.

If you really do not know the difference between what the Bible says about salvation and what Catholicism says about it, perhaps you should spend a bit more time studying the issue out before you contend for false teachings and a false gospel.

[RandyW]

Been to many a Catholic church - I know what they teach. Yes, Jesus is the Judge - and He has also quite clearly stated in His Word HOW someone is saved.

If you really do not know the difference between what the Bible says about salvation and what Catholicism says about it, perhaps you should spend a bit more time studying the issue out before you contend for false teachings and a false gospel.

This false teaching?
The Catholic church will be the head of the one world religion, with all the rest of the religions of the world united under it (which they are already attempting to do now). The apostle John was shocked because of how this religion appeared - it surprised him because it looked so real. Islam doesn't pretend to be Christianity, ie. the religion of the Bible - Catholicism does.


Which prophet told you that?


Randy

[Jerry]

Which prophet told you that?

That would be the Apostle John. Looks like you already answered this question in your post:

Islam doesn't pretend to be Christianity, ie. the religion of the Bible - Catholicism does.

Exactly! From the horse's mouth. And we are opposed to it for the exact reason that it is an imposter, a false religion, a demonic imitation of the truth.

[RandyW]

That would be the Apostle John. Looks like you already answered this question in your post:



Exactly! From the horse's mouth. And we are opposed to it for the exact reason that it is an imposter, a false religion, a demonic imitation of the truth.

You mean John told you that a "body of people proclaiming Jesus as Christ and the Son of God who was to his human nature put to death and raised bodily from the dead and sits at the right hand of God" that is what Jesus had John write down? Which verse

Randy

[Jerry]

Randy, :praying what are you talking about?

Let's make it simple for you:

1) According to the Bible, how does someone get saved?

2) What does the Catholic church teach about how to get saved?

3) Are you saved? How did you get saved?

Until you can answer these questions, you will probably just keep dancing in circles, getting nowhere.

[RandyW]

Randy, :praying what are you talking about?

Let's make it simple for you:

1) According to the Bible, how does someone get saved?

2) What does the Catholic church teach about how to get saved?

3) Are you saved? How did you get saved?

Until you can answer these questions, you will probably just keep dancing in circles, getting nowhere.

We already established how one enters the Kingdom of God. Your looking on paper not hearts. Many Catholics do go to Jesus by faith as that church though it has its quirks does promote Jesus Christ.

Randy

[tired]

here are some little quirks in the rcc:

Catechism of the Catholic Church


963 Since the Virgin Mary's role in the mystery of Christ and the Spirit has been treated, it is fitting now to consider her place in the mystery of the Church. "The Virgin Mary . . . is acknowledged and honored as being truly the Mother of God and of the redeemer. . . . She is 'clearly the mother of the members of Christ' . . . since she has by her charity joined in bringing about the birth of believers in the Church, who are members of its head." "Mary, Mother of Christ, Mother of the Church."

2674 Mary gave her consent in faith at the Annunciation and maintained it without hesitation at the foot of the Cross. Ever since, her motherhood has extended to the brothers and sisters of her Son "who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties." Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer; Mary, his mother and ours, is wholly transparent to him: she "shows the way" (hodigitria), and is herself "the Sign" of the way, according to the traditional iconography of East and West.

2679 Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.

509 Mary is truly "Mother of God" since she is the mother of the eternal Son of God made man, who is God himself

491 Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:

The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.-Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation." Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith

1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.-Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

15 The second part of the Catechism explains how God's salvation, accomplished once for all through Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is made present in the sacred actions of the Church's liturgy (Section One), especially in the seven sacraments (Section Two).