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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?

3. Just what is submission anyway?

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?

7. Women vOTing thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vOTe?


Have fun and be nice. :Bleh


I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.


1. The Bible tells women to be "keepers at home".
It says if a MAN won't work, he shouldn't eat. Doesn't say woman.
The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 did nOT work for an employer; she was an entrepreneur....working from her home. However, there are times when a woman has no choice but to work; this is a misfortune.

more later.......

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1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?
Of course, maybe it could be her only means to live or in the case of her being married, an extra income might be needed.

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?
Not exactly 'everything', topics like clothing or food should be subjected to 'wife-only' final decisions.

3. Just what is submission anyway?
This is just a personal opinion, I'm sure others will give a biblical one. Submission is related to performing a multitude of tasks without any bitterness, with a constant readiness and in some cases, involves giving up on personal wants in order to please the 'other'.

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?
I haven't started Bible study but I believe this is the strongest kind of love, there's nothing higher that could match to this, it's closely associated with the assurance that he will do her good at all costs, no matter the circumstances or conditions, always wanting her best interest at heart.

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?
100% yes. Truth being told, most women have a huge respect for working men; those that decide to be 'housemen' need to consider this 'desire' from all aspects. The drastic change of positions is not encouraged in Christian homes, sometimes it's not even effective.

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
Not as long as she correctly reports back to her husband; I don't see this as being a major problem.

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?
It depends on personal preferences.

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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?

3. Just what is submission anyway?

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?


Have fun and be nice. :Bleh


I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.


1) Yes. If her husband wants her to or she is not married.

2) Only if her husband wants her to. Which in my opinion would be ridiculous.

3) Letting the husband make the FINAL decision. It doesn't mean being mute or a door mat.

4) He would be willing to die for her. Cherishes her as much as himself. Also, is concerned for her holiness.

5) No. Sometimes you may have no choice. But he should still be the head of the house.

6) No. I believe this is covered in Proverbs 31. If you can't trust your wife with the finances then something is wrong with your relationship.

7) I believe the man should be the one to vote and that his vote should represent his whole household. Unfortunately, since Women's Lib the home has been divided and destroyed and the man of the house really doesn't have the final say anymore. If you vote for A and your wife votes for B you have a divided house. In some states like California the politicians are trying to drop the voting age to 14 so they can divide the home even more. Now as far as single women the problem is that in biblical times and even not too long ago in American history the women stayed home under the authority of the father until she was given in marriage. If you ask me the whole this is damaged beyond repair and a Christian man should be vary careful while considering marriage.

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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?
I believe women are to be keepers of the home.....which sometimes may include being their husband's help meet and helping him with a job away from the house. I don't believe a woman is to be employed under the authority of a man other than her husband.

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?
No, of course not. She has a brain, let her use it. That said, she should communicate with him and seek his guidance in almost every area of her life and he should do the same with her. That is something many of us miss is the part about "being one". If we are "one" with our spouse, we should be in agreement or submission with each decision that is made so that there is not any lack of unity. Also, I will note here that husbands are to submit themselves to their wives as well....and boy could we get into some good "common sense" discussions where that could help a lot of men who are too proud to make use of their wife's intelligence and wisdom and faith.
3. Just what is submission anyway?
I'll assume you want our personal opinion and not something cut and pasted from the dictionary or concoordinance. So.....submission is the yielding of ourselves, to include not only the physical, but also our personal wants and desires, to another.

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?
To be willing to sacrifice himself for what is in their best interest that they might be better off because of him. Not to lay down himself and any authority he has because it suits want she wants. Remember: Christ made the ultimate sacrifice to give us what we needed, not what we wanted.
5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?
Here's a good place to walk on eggshells.:lol: I'll simply say that if a man provides for his family and leads them according to God's Word and is able to do that while being at home, PRAISE GOD for giving him the blessings and wisdom to accomplish this task!

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
Of course not!! A wife is to be a help meet to her husband...and if she has been given the mental ability and wisdom to handle the finances of the house, he may very well be a fool for not using what God has given him and not trusting his wife. However, I do believe that, whoever "takes care" of the finances, husband and wife should discuss the finances regularly and make decisions together so that they may help eachother in catching mistakes early on and so that if one of them dies suddenly, the other knows what is going on in regards to financially caring for themselves and/or their children along with a host of other things like bills.

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?

I have heard it taught, but never have found scriptual support for it. My wife and I both vote.........but we discuss who we will vote for and help eachother in choosing and then we vote in agreeance with eachother.
Have fun and be nice. :Bleh

Now that I have answered the questions, I have some:

Why is it that there was some obvious sarcasm and ill-natured posts directed towards the men by some of the women? And those of you who made the post were truly surprising to me as you are typically very respectful and concerned towards others. Did someone ruffle your feathers prior to this thread and cause you to become the classic "man-haters"? I mean, seriously, would you consider those posts to be good examples for other christian women, whether you felt like some men "had it coming" or not?


God Bless,

Futurehope

I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.

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Now that I have answered the questions, I have some:

Why is it that there was some obvious sarcasm and ill-natured posts directed towards the men by some of the women? And those of you who made the post were truly surprising to me as you are typically very respectful and concerned towards others. Did someone ruffle your feathers prior to this thread and cause you to become the classic "man-haters"? I mean, seriously, would you consider those posts to be good examples for other christian women, whether you felt like some men "had it coming" or not?


God Bless,

Futurehope




Futurehope,

This thread and the one it refers to is so old (two years old!) that I don't remember what was going on at the time. I don't think any of the women who posted in this thread are "man-haters". I posed a lot of questions just to get a discussion going (because dwayner suggested it), not because I had a hate agenda.

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Futurehope,

This thread and the one it refers to is so old (two years old!) that I don't remember what was going on at the time. I don't think any of the women who posted in this thread are "man-haters". I posed a lot of questions just to get a discussion going (because dwayner suggested it), not because I had a hate agenda.


Forgive me if you thought it was directed at you, but it wasn't. I'm often amazed how respectful and caring you are towards everyone here at OB. You always set a great example in christain love and a testimony for dealing with disagreement. It was more directed at those who made blatant attacks on men.

God Bless,

Futurehope

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7) I believe the man should be the one to vote and that his vote should represent his whole household. Unfortunately, since Women's Lib the home has been divided and destroyed and the man of the house really doesn't have the final say anymore. If you vote for A and your wife votes for B you have a divided house. In some states like California the politicians are trying to drop the voting age to 14 so they can divide the home even more. Now as far as single women the problem is that in biblical times and even not too long ago in American history the women stayed home under the authority of the father until she was given in marriage. If you ask me the whole this is damaged beyond repair and a Christian man should be vary careful while considering marriage.

Good post! I just wanted to comment on number 7 here. I agree with your take on voting, to a certain point. I am one of those unusual women who believe that this country would have been better off had women not been given the vote. The founding fathers set up voting to be limited to male property owners for a reason. Changing that has led to so much yuck it isn't funny!

But, both my hubby and I believe that since women do have the vote, I should participate. We, however, have a certain way of voting. We discuss the issues thorougly, and we pray about those who are running. My husband makes the ultimate decision for whom (or what if it's an issue) to vote. The way we look at it is that we are a team. If I were to vote for something he votes against, I am undermining him as the head of our home. On the other hand, if I strongly disagree with him about something being voted on (that's only happened once in 23 years), I do not vote (with his permission). That way no vote is cast against his choice.

Many people feel that the way we vote indicates that my hubby thinks a woman can't make up her own mind or can't know the issues. He knows that isn't the case - in fact, I am more interested in this type of thing than he is. Sometimes he'll tell me, "I don't want to talk about this anymore." :lol: Rather, as I said, we are a team. Together we cast two votes. If there is only one vote to be cast, it is his.

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(And another btw - I love having discussions like this with you all! If you knew my college background, you maybe would understand why it's amazing to me to see people on different sides of a topic who can politely discuss and disagree on things but yet not get nasty in the process, and I find great delight in it here and am often amazed at the graciousness I see here even in the face of disagreement. :clap::clap: )


Don't put down your education experience; just take it with a filter of the truth from the Word of God. My BS in Ed. is from SIU at Carbondale John Dewey is hailed by the school of Education as a god and many of his writings have been collected at Morris Library at SIU. I had to write a paper on Dewey and still have notes in the margin of his book "Experience & Education" exposing his errored humanistic views.

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1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?

The Bible says "keepers at home". The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 kept her home, but she was also an entrepreneur. She was a merchant 31:24, a purchasing agent 31:14, a leader and overseer Proverbs 31:15 and a manager 31:27. But her head was her husband, and not some boss outside the home.



2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?

The woman in Proverbs 31 did not. She made things, bought and sold and closely managed the household. She even bought real estate on her own, and she developed it herself. Doesn't say she even consulted her husband in this.; maybe she did but it doesn't say. Proverbs 31:16

3. Just what is submission anyway?

The woman in Proverbs 31 honoured her husband, she was such a delight and encouragement to him that he was a confident, well respected leader in his community. Proverbs 31:23 He was a man of influence because SHE was an influence, and so you have this community leader, a man of influence; and instead of this leader worrying with a rebelious wife, he feels the urge to praise her....and the kids do too. Proverbs 31:28
So I would say she was submissive. Being submissive is not insisting on having it 'your way" all the time....and not pouting or griping about it. And you can surrender....without submitting. Bad

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?

Exactly what it says. He is to love sacrificially. He is willing to wear his body out, working to provide for her, and he is willing to guard and protect her with his own life.

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?

The Bible tells women to be keepers at home; doesn't tell men this. A man is supposed to "provide for his own". Some men "work from home". But as to sending mom off to work while Dad stays home and keeps house, unless he is handicapped, I think it's wrong.

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
The woman in proverbs 31 bought and sold on her own; she was merchant, a buyer, and a manager.

I am an entrepreneur. I order materials, correspond with suppliers and clients, design and manufacture goods. Alot of men have a secretary, receptionists, book keepers etc, to help out.; I do not.
My wife goes to the store, buys the groceries, buys the kids' school books, clothes and whatever the houshold needs. She is just like the woman in Proverbs 31....although she hasn't purchased any real estate on her own, yet. :) She takes care of these things as I do not have the time. She doesn't have to ask me every time she buys something, and I don't her. But we tell each other everything. I take care of things she cannot do, and she does the same for me; we are a team.

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?

The Bible does not specifically say it is wrong for a woman to vote; but you will notice that it was the husband, in Proverbs 31, who was involved in politics; not the wife. I don't think the woman in Proverbs 31 lived in a Democratic society; I believe it was a kingdom. Anyway, we both vote...but neither of us vote for folk like Mr. Obama.

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1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?
Only if it's necessary; i.e. it's a single mom, her husband literally cannot work, et cetera. See Titus 2:5.
2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?
No.
3. Just what is submission anyway?
The wife yielding herself to her husband's loving and protective leadership.
4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?
Loving, protecting, providing for, and cherishing her.
5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?
Yes, unless the husband is unable to work, for example. Can't think of any other reason. After all, the man was given power in the affairs outside of the home, whereas the women has been given power inside.
6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
If you mean doing things like taxes and related, I don't see anything wrong with it.
7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?
No where necessarily, but from its obvious condemnation of women in politics and such, and from various Scriptural principles, I'm against it.
God bless,
Crushmaster.

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