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Katie, the Great Commission is for everyone. But don't you know that you are already a part of it? You are with your hubby in China...fulfilling the Great Commission. When you bring people into your home, since that is the best way in that culture to meet with people, you are being a witness.

As Bakers has said, door-to-door is man's tradition (based on Jesus sending His disciples out two by two, but still...). It is so easy to be bowed with guilt because of man's tradition (especially for us women who are mothers...we're good at giving guilt trips, but we're good at taking them too! :lol: ).

As a wife and mother, your primary responsibility is to your family. We all know that. You are also a missionary's wife. That is an added responsibility, because of ministry responsibilities. You are also in a foreign country, so you have the added responsibility of being a foreigner (and that can be a strain, especially on a wife!). If your heart is right with God (and I believe it is...I'd love to be able to spend some face-to-face fellowship time with you!), you will witness when and how God leads you.

The Great Commission does not dictate how witnessing is to be done, nor how much during the week, nor how many doors to knock on, etc. You concentrate on the ones God has burdened you for, and you will be fulfilling the Great Commission. Remember

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
? That's talking about the converts...disciple them. How do people get discipled? By spending time with them. How can you spend time with them? Have them over to your house.....hmmmm, sounds to me like you're doing it!!
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Katie, the Great Commission is for everyone. But don't you know that you are already a part of it? You are with your hubby in China...fulfilling the Great Commission. When you bring people into your home, since that is the best way in that culture to meet with people, you are being a witness.

As Bakers has said, door-to-door is man's tradition (based on Jesus sending His disciples out two by two, but still...). It is so easy to be bowed with guilt because of man's tradition (especially for us women who are mothers...we're good at giving guilt trips, but we're good at taking them too! :lol: ).

As a wife and mother, your primary responsibility is to your family. We all know that. You are also a missionary's wife. That is an added responsibility, because of ministry responsibilities. You are also in a foreign country, so you have the added responsibility of being a foreigner (and that can be a strain, especially on a wife!). If your heart is right with God (and I believe it is...I'd love to be able to spend some face-to-face fellowship time with you!), you will witness when and how God leads you.

The Great Commission does not dictate how witnessing is to be done, nor how much during the week, nor how many doors to knock on, etc. You concentrate on the ones God has burdened you for, and you will be fulfilling the Great Commission. Remember ? That's talking about the converts...disciple them. How do people get discipled? By spending time with them. How can you spend time with them? Have them over to your house.....hmmmm, sounds to me like you're doing it!!


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Katie, the Great Commission is for everyone. But don't you know that you are already a part of it? You are with your hubby in China...fulfilling the Great Commission. When you bring people into your home, since that is the best way in that culture to meet with people, you are being a witness.

As Bakers has said, door-to-door is man's tradition (based on Jesus sending His disciples out two by two, but still...). It is so easy to be bowed with guilt because of man's tradition (especially for us women who are mothers...we're good at giving guilt trips, but we're good at taking them too! :lol: ).

As a wife and mother, your primary responsibility is to your family. We all know that. You are also a missionary's wife. That is an added responsibility, because of ministry responsibilities. You are also in a foreign country, so you have the added responsibility of being a foreigner (and that can be a strain, especially on a wife!). If your heart is right with God (and I believe it is...I'd love to be able to spend some face-to-face fellowship time with you!), you will witness when and how God leads you.

The Great Commission does not dictate how witnessing is to be done, nor how much during the week, nor how many doors to knock on, etc. You concentrate on the ones God has burdened you for, and you will be fulfilling the Great Commission. Remember ? That's talking about the converts...disciple them. How do people get discipled? By spending time with them. How can you spend time with them? Have them over to your house.....hmmmm, sounds to me like you're doing it!!


Thank you for the encouragement! I'd love to get together with you someday too!
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[color=#0000FF][i]1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?[/i][/color]

Yes, but only of circumstances demand it. I know of many wives that worked to support their husbands while they attended seminary, so he could focus his attention on that. In our case we had kids with a severe congenital condition and after I was turned down for a job with insurance, they same company hired my wife. She went to work, and I stayed home. We just recently switched, and I'm now working and she's at home.

[color=#0000FF][i]2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?[/i][/color]

Yes, even when she breathes. Obviously the answer is no, but submission would require at least some permission for some things.

[color=#0000FF][i]3. Just what is submission anyway?[/i][/color]

Sub-under. Mission-goals. The wife should allow the usband to be the fonal arbiitor of the families mission and purpose.

[color=#0000FF][i]4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?[/i][/color]

To put her safety and security above his own.

[color=#0000FF][i]5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?[/i][/color]

See answer #1

[color=#0000FF][i]6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?[/i][/color]

I've heard it argued that who controls the checkbook controls the family, and therefore the husband should be the one in charge of finances. If the wife is hiding financial info, then she shouldn't be in charge. If the husband is letting her do it just because he doesn't want to bother with it, then he needs to stop shirking his duty. But there are some people that are just terrible with finances. In those cases, where the husband has no idea how to do it and the wife can be honest about it, then I don't see a problem with it. Remember the CEO (Chief Executive Officer) and CFO (Chief Financieal Officer) are generally two separate positions in most biger companies and the CEO is over the CFO.

[color=#0000FF][i]7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?[/i][/color]

As in, in elections? I see a problem in that women tend to personalize issues and see things in terms of emotions and individuals. Since women got the vote we've have more and more social programs voted in, turning our nation from a thriving capitalist society to more of a socialist oligarchy. Unfortunately, I see women voting as a major factor in that. That's not the sole cause. the depression led many to choose socialism as a short term solution that brought long term problems. We've also have a strong movement to remove morality (religion) form the political arena, which has removed the concept of stealing as wrong, which helps pave the way for even more socialism.

But as far as scripture, I don't think there is any passage specifically precluding it.

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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?

3. Just what is submission anyway?

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?

7. Women vOTing thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vOTe?


Have fun and be nice. :Bleh


I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.


1. The Bible tells women to be "keepers at home".
It says if a MAN won't work, he shouldn't eat. Doesn't say woman.
The virtuous woman in Proverbs 31 did nOT work for an employer; she was an entrepreneur....working from her home. However, there are times when a woman has no choice but to work; this is a misfortune.

more later.......
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1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?
Of course, maybe it could be her only means to live or in the case of her being married, an extra income might be needed.

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?
Not exactly 'everything', topics like clothing or food should be subjected to 'wife-only' final decisions.

3. Just what is submission anyway?
This is just a personal opinion, I'm sure others will give a biblical one. Submission is related to performing a multitude of tasks without any bitterness, with a constant readiness and in some cases, involves giving up on personal wants in order to please the 'other'.

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?
I haven't started Bible study but I believe this is the strongest kind of love, there's nothing higher that could match to this, it's closely associated with the assurance that he will do her good at all costs, no matter the circumstances or conditions, always wanting her best interest at heart.

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?
100% yes. Truth being told, most women have a huge respect for working men; those that decide to be 'housemen' need to consider this 'desire' from all aspects. The drastic change of positions is not encouraged in Christian homes, sometimes it's not even effective.

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
Not as long as she correctly reports back to her husband; I don't see this as being a major problem.

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?
It depends on personal preferences.

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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?

3. Just what is submission anyway?

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?

5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?


Have fun and be nice. :Bleh


I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.


1) Yes. If her husband wants her to or she is not married.

2) Only if her husband wants her to. Which in my opinion would be ridiculous.

3) Letting the husband make the FINAL decision. It doesn't mean being mute or a door mat.

4) He would be willing to die for her. Cherishes her as much as himself. Also, is concerned for her holiness.

5) No. Sometimes you may have no choice. But he should still be the head of the house.

6) No. I believe this is covered in Proverbs 31. If you can't trust your wife with the finances then something is wrong with your relationship.

7) I believe the man should be the one to vote and that his vote should represent his whole household. Unfortunately, since Women's Lib the home has been divided and destroyed and the man of the house really doesn't have the final say anymore. If you vote for A and your wife votes for B you have a divided house. In some states like California the politicians are trying to drop the voting age to 14 so they can divide the home even more. Now as far as single women the problem is that in biblical times and even not too long ago in American history the women stayed home under the authority of the father until she was given in marriage. If you ask me the whole this is damaged beyond repair and a Christian man should be vary careful while considering marriage.
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Per dwayner's suggestion...


What are Biblical gender roles for men and women?

Here are some common questions people have:

1. Can a woman work outside the home and still be Biblical?
I believe women are to be keepers of the home.....which sometimes may include being their husband's help meet and helping him with a job away from the house. I don't believe a woman is to be employed under the authority of a man other than her husband.

2. Does a wife have to ask her husband permission for every thing she does?
No, of course not. She has a brain, let her use it. That said, she should communicate with him and seek his guidance in almost every area of her life and he should do the same with her. That is something many of us miss is the part about "being one". If we are "one" with our spouse, we should be in agreement or submission with each decision that is made so that there is not any lack of unity. Also, I will note here that husbands are to submit themselves to their wives as well....and boy could we get into some good "common sense" discussions where that could help a lot of men who are too proud to make use of their wife's intelligence and wisdom and faith.
3. Just what is submission anyway?
I'll assume you want our personal opinion and not something cut and pasted from the dictionary or concoordinance. So.....submission is the yielding of ourselves, to include not only the physical, but also our personal wants and desires, to another.

4. What does it mean for a man to love his wife the way Christ loved the Church?
To be willing to sacrifice himself for what is in their best interest that they might be better off because of him. Not to lay down himself and any authority he has because it suits want she wants. Remember: Christ made the ultimate sacrifice to give us what we needed, not what we wanted.
5. Is being a "house husband" wrong?
Here's a good place to walk on eggshells.:lol: I'll simply say that if a man provides for his family and leads them according to God's Word and is able to do that while being at home, PRAISE GOD for giving him the blessings and wisdom to accomplish this task!

6. Is it wrong for a man to ask his wife to take care of the household finances?
Of course not!! A wife is to be a help meet to her husband...and if she has been given the mental ability and wisdom to handle the finances of the house, he may very well be a fool for not using what God has given him and not trusting his wife. However, I do believe that, whoever "takes care" of the finances, husband and wife should discuss the finances regularly and make decisions together so that they may help eachother in catching mistakes early on and so that if one of them dies suddenly, the other knows what is going on in regards to financially caring for themselves and/or their children along with a host of other things like bills.

7. Women voting thread participants, where does the Bible say it is wrong for a woman to vote?

I have heard it taught, but never have found scriptual support for it. My wife and I both vote.........but we discuss who we will vote for and help eachother in choosing and then we vote in agreeance with eachother.
Have fun and be nice. :Bleh

Now that I have answered the questions, I have some:

Why is it that there was some obvious sarcasm and ill-natured posts directed towards the men by some of the women? And those of you who made the post were truly surprising to me as you are typically very respectful and concerned towards others. Did someone ruffle your feathers prior to this thread and cause you to become the classic "man-haters"? I mean, seriously, would you consider those posts to be good examples for other christian women, whether you felt like some men "had it coming" or not?


God Bless,

Futurehope

I was hoping more people would participate in this thread because the Bible has quite a bit to say about women and how Jesus viewed them that might surprise some. I have an article I will post later that is sooooo good. I have to get permission to post it first though.
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Now that I have answered the questions, I have some:

Why is it that there was some obvious sarcasm and ill-natured posts directed towards the men by some of the women? And those of you who made the post were truly surprising to me as you are typically very respectful and concerned towards others. Did someone ruffle your feathers prior to this thread and cause you to become the classic "man-haters"? I mean, seriously, would you consider those posts to be good examples for other christian women, whether you felt like some men "had it coming" or not?


God Bless,

Futurehope




Futurehope,

This thread and the one it refers to is so old (two years old!) that I don't remember what was going on at the time. I don't think any of the women who posted in this thread are "man-haters". I posed a lot of questions just to get a discussion going (because dwayner suggested it), not because I had a hate agenda.
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Futurehope,

This thread and the one it refers to is so old (two years old!) that I don't remember what was going on at the time. I don't think any of the women who posted in this thread are "man-haters". I posed a lot of questions just to get a discussion going (because dwayner suggested it), not because I had a hate agenda.


Forgive me if you thought it was directed at you, but it wasn't. I'm often amazed how respectful and caring you are towards everyone here at OB. You always set a great example in christain love and a testimony for dealing with disagreement. It was more directed at those who made blatant attacks on men.

God Bless,

Futurehope
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7) I believe the man should be the one to vote and that his vote should represent his whole household. Unfortunately, since Women's Lib the home has been divided and destroyed and the man of the house really doesn't have the final say anymore. If you vote for A and your wife votes for B you have a divided house. In some states like California the politicians are trying to drop the voting age to 14 so they can divide the home even more. Now as far as single women the problem is that in biblical times and even not too long ago in American history the women stayed home under the authority of the father until she was given in marriage. If you ask me the whole this is damaged beyond repair and a Christian man should be vary careful while considering marriage.

Good post! I just wanted to comment on number 7 here. I agree with your take on voting, to a certain point. I am one of those unusual women who believe that this country would have been better off had women not been given the vote. The founding fathers set up voting to be limited to male property owners for a reason. Changing that has led to so much yuck it isn't funny!

But, both my hubby and I believe that since women do have the vote, I should participate. We, however, have a certain way of voting. We discuss the issues thorougly, and we pray about those who are running. My husband makes the ultimate decision for whom (or what if it's an issue) to vote. The way we look at it is that we are a team. If I were to vote for something he votes against, I am undermining him as the head of our home. On the other hand, if I strongly disagree with him about something being voted on (that's only happened once in 23 years), I do not vote (with his permission). That way no vote is cast against his choice.

Many people feel that the way we vote indicates that my hubby thinks a woman can't make up her own mind or can't know the issues. He knows that isn't the case - in fact, I am more interested in this type of thing than he is. Sometimes he'll tell me, "I don't want to talk about this anymore." :lol: Rather, as I said, we are a team. Together we cast two votes. If there is only one vote to be cast, it is his.
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(And another btw - I love having discussions like this with you all! If you knew my college background, you maybe would understand why it's amazing to me to see people on different sides of a topic who can politely discuss and disagree on things but yet not get nasty in the process, and I find great delight in it here and am often amazed at the graciousness I see here even in the face of disagreement. :clap::clap: )


Don't put down your education experience; just take it with a filter of the truth from the Word of God. My BS in Ed. is from SIU at Carbondale John Dewey is hailed by the school of Education as a god and many of his writings have been collected at Morris Library at SIU. I had to write a paper on Dewey and still have notes in the margin of his book "Experience & Education" exposing his errored humanistic views.
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