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      Psalms 119:1-8                                         Sep. 5 - Oct. 2, 2019
      1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
      2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
      3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.
      4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      6 Then shall I not be ashamed, when I have respect unto all thy commandments.
      7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
      8 I will keep thy statutes: O forsake me not utterly.
      The following verse stood out to me...
      5 O that my ways were directed to keep thy statutes!
      At first glance it seemed to me this person’s soul is poured out with intense desire to have God’s direction in keeping His Word.
      I made a small wood fire in our backyard for my granddaughter, Julia, since she would be staying overnight with us. My wife and Julia stayed outside at the fire for about half an hour. Then, I found myself alone to watch the fire die out on a particularly lovely evening. So I took my verse from above and began to repeat it for memorization. As I repeated the verse, I tried to contemplate the words and apply them to what I was seeing around me. 
      The moon and stars were out now peering through the scattered clouds above.
      [Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Genesis 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.]
      Thought 1         
      The moon has stayed his course since the day God created him, also the stars, obeying the statutes directed by God from the first day they were created. Can you imagine God’s direction to the Moon and stars, “moon you will have a path through the sky above the earth, stars you will occupy the firmament above the moon and be clearly visible in the cloudless night sky.”
      Then, the trees, grass, even the air we breathe obey the statues God gave them from the beginning. None of these creations have souls, none have hearts, none have intelligence, but they all observe God’s statutes, His instructions for their limited time on earth.
      Thought 2
      What if we were like the moon, stars, trees, grass, or the other creations which have no soul? We would be directed to keep God’s statutes without choosing to keep them. This is not the image of God, there would be no dominion over other creatures, or over the earth. We would not be capable of experiencing the joy and peace of learning the love of God
      Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
      Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
      Thought 3 (October 2, 2019)
      Is the psalmist pleading God to force God’s statutes to become the man’s ways? No, he is speaking of his own failure in keeping God’s statutes and his desire to keep them, very much like Paul in Romans 7:14-25.
      God doesn’t work through force to turn men from their ways that they would desire His statutes or desire God Himself. Men must reject (repent) put aside his own ways and voluntarily seek God and His statutes.

Was the King James Bible itself inspired?

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Hi everyone. The other day I learned that some people believe that the King James Bible itself was inspired. I was just wondering, is it true that the King James Bible itself was inspired or is this just another false doctrine? I honestly don't know. It's rather confusing to me. All I know is that the King James Bible is God's inspired and inerrant word in English and that all other translations are corrupt. They are Bible perversions.

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Exactly. There are some that believe a teaching by Peter Ruckman that the KJV translators were inspired by God as they translated, making the KJV inspired. This is commonly known as double inspiration.

This position is false teaching.

We can hold up our KJV and say it is inspired, because God promised to preserve His Word. He has done this through the KJV for English speaking people.

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Hi everyone. The other day I learned that some people believe that the King James Bible itself was inspired. I was just wondering, is it true that the King James Bible itself was inspired or is this just another false doctrine? I honestly don't know. It's rather confusing to me. All I know is that the King James Bible is God's inspired and inerrant word in English and that all other translations are corrupt. They are Bible perversions.
If the KJV is inspired, are modern versions also inspired? Please explain your short comment.
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No translation is "inspired". God inspired the original manuscripts. He then promised to preserve it for us, which he has done through the KJV for English speaking people. Spanish people have a preserved version as well as the French, etc.

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One thing i like to do is have someone write down the word "inspiration", then copy it again right below that. They both look exactly the same, don't they? That's called "copied inspiration" or "preserved inspiration" since it is guarded by God through the preservation of His saints.

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Exactly. There are some that believe a teaching by Peter Ruckman that the KJV translators were inspired by God as they translated, making the KJV inspired. This is commonly known as double inspiration.

This position is false teaching.

We can hold up our KJV and say it is inspired, because God promised to preserve His Word. He has done this through the KJV for English speaking people.


Yes, but if God preserved his scriptures through the KJV translators isn't this in essence "inspiration"? God had to give them understanding in which words to use to preserve his word.

Job 32:8- But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
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We can hold up the KJV and claim it to be inspired because of God's preserving it. Just as people in Spain can hold up the Spanish equivilant and call it inspired. The translation is not inspired, but God preserved His Inspired Word of God through the KJV for English speaking people. He preserved it in French, Spanish, and a number of other translations. None of these translations were "inspired", they are preserved.

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No translation is "inspired". God inspired the original manuscripts. He then promised to preserve it for us, which he has done through the KJV for English speaking people. Spanish people have a preserved version as well as the French, etc.
Agreed!
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I believe the original texts are the divinely inspired Word of God in its entirety, written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and that it is the sole authority for the Christian's faith and conduct. I believe the King James Version of the Bible is the preserved Word of God for teaching and preaching to English speaking people. This is what I will use when I quote scripture. I believe other English translations contain the Word of God including the latest Roman Church, Douay, authorized version, The New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition. (2 Timothy 3.16-17; 2 Peter 1.20-21)

...the 1769 KJV fits me and I believe God is honored that I have it settled.

Besides the above...I cannot submit to memory the newer EVs. It's too much like casual conversation which, leads many to discard a great percentage of when someone is speaking. We have to remember this is God speaking to us and answering questions we have so, casual and discard are not options. The KJB makes me pause and think about the meaning also; in many cases I look up meaning. It causes me to meditate on God's Word and I know that pleases Him. (2 Timothy 3:15)

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I believe the original texts are the divinely inspired Word of God in its entirety, written by men as they were moved by the Holy Spirit, and that it is the sole authority for the Christian's faith and conduct. I believe the King James Version of the Bible is the preserved Word of God for teaching and preaching to English speaking people. This is what I will use when I quote scripture. I believe other English translations contain the Word of God including the latest Roman Church, Douay, authorized version, The New American Bible, Saint Joseph Edition. (2 Timothy 3.16-17; 2 Peter 1.20-21)

...the 1769 KJV fits me and I believe God is honored that I have it settled.

Besides the above...I cannot submit to memory the newer EVs. It's too much like casual conversation which, leads many to discard a great percentage of when someone is speaking. We have to remember this is God speaking to us and answering questions we have so, casual and discard are not options. The KJB makes me pause and think about the meaning also; in many cases I look up meaning. It causes me to meditate on God's Word and I know that pleases Him. (2 Timothy 3:15)


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It's an interesting question, and one I've never really settled on in my heart as to what I believe on it. The only I know for sure is that the KJV is God's perfect word. In the end, the only thing you can know for sure about the Bible is what the Bible says about itself.

Ps. 12:6-7, "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
[7] Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

II Tim. 3:15-16, "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


1. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. Whatever Timothy had, Paul called it Scripture. Guaranteed he did not have the Hebrew originals on his desk, so that copy of copies that he had Paul said was scripture AND that it was given by inspiration. I guess the question is does "given by inspiration" refer to back when the originals were written or does it mean that the copies themselves are inspired? I tend to lean towards the former, but we do know for sure that we are correct in stating that a copy of copies can be given by inspiration.

2. God's word is pure. Wherever God's word is today, it's pure without error. In Jer. 36 ("many like words") we see that small variances from one edition to another do not change this fact that God's word is still pure.

3. God words are preserved for us. OBviously, we believe the fulfillment of that is the KJB.

4. God's words are purified. I think this is where things get sticky for people. It says it, right there plain in the text, that God's words are purified. Purified means made better. Now, when you take a Greek word that has 8 different interpretations in English, you come to a crossroads. You either "go back to the Greek" and tell people how that word in English could have been 7 other different words(anyone can do this, all you need is a lexicon), or you praise God for settling the issue as to what word should have been used by reading your King James Bible. One method magnifies man and his brain, the other method glorifies God.

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Scripture says the original Scriptures were inspired and Scripture tells us God will preserve His Word. If one holds that the KJB is the pure, true Word of God then it would stand to reason that God guided the translators of the KJB to His preserved Word and enabled them to accurately translate that into the KJB.

Thus the KJB is a preservation of the inspired Word of God. There was no need for further inspiration.

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