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I know I am going to get beat up for this but here is a good article about psychology...
http://www.gty.org/Resources/Articles/9774
I used this cause many peolpe don't like David Cloud so I figured that something from a non-IFB site might show that not just IFBers disagree with psychology. Ready and waiting to get beat up.


Now, who wouldn't like David Cloud?? :Bleh Some say that psychology is the study of the mind and there is nothing wrong with studying it, but you are trying to study something that is not tangible, you can't see thoughts, etc--only the result after those thoughts have been acted upon. I think some aspects of the mind are facinating, but really to study it--it seems you would need to know more about the way our spirit interacts with our body and such....God didn't write a book in the Bible about that, though. I think He gave us all the info. He thought we needed. We need to rely on Him for everything, not science or psychology etc. I really have a serious problem with all the psychological "disorders" that doctors are giving meds out for like candy, when the people just need to find the Lord, and live right.
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I'm not too fond of psychology or psychiatry, but as a means of therapy I would not be so quick to throw the baby out with the bath-water (even if there is a large amount of bath-water). I have known quite a lot of people who have been "helped" through this means. Mind anyone, in my view they would have better off having achieved a measure of spiritual growth so as to have been able to rely on the truth of the Word instead. But that is a little bit like telling an alcoholic he/she never should have started drinking - if you want the person to be helped, the person has to be dealt with in the state that he/she is in. So while I never recommend it and feel very uncomfortable about it, I try to steer clear of an attitude of complete prior condemnation of it.

What I do feel comfortable about condemning is the use of "pop-psychology" in the pulpit. I find it ironic that while many would condemn believers for resorting to psychologists and psychiatrists, almost the entire content of their sermons (the small part that is not composed of stories and illustrations) is entirely made up of just such "pop-psychology". If pastors want believers to be self-reliant, the only way to lead them to that place is to teach them the Bible substantively. Truth believed and digested, applied to the life and tested in times of trouble, is the only thing that can sustain in tribulation and make a believer self-sufficient - because in reality they have learned to be reliant upon the Lord instead of themselves.

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Now, who wouldn't like David Cloud?? :Bleh Some say that psychology is the study of the mind and there is nothing wrong with studying it, but you are trying to study something that is not tangible, you can't see thoughts, etc--only the result after those thoughts have been acted upon. I think some aspects of the mind are facinating, but really to study it--it seems you would need to know more about the way our spirit interacts with our body and such....God didn't write a book in the Bible about that, though. I think He gave us all the info. He thought we needed. We need to rely on Him for everything, not science or psychology etc. I really have a serious problem with all the psychological "disorders" that doctors are giving meds out for like candy, when the people just need to find the Lord, and live right.

Remember, cells are not tangible either. They can be observed but not touched, felt, or tasted. Nerve impulses can be observed but not touched, felt or tasted. Yet we know that those impulses allow us to think just as cells make up all living things. I agree that we shouldn't rely on psychology for answers to life's problems and that "disorders" today are seriously over-diagnosed. That doesn't discount the entire field of psychology though, just as the widespread acceptance of evolution doesn't discount biology as a whole.
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Psychology' date=' though, boils down to the study of the mind, which is completely innocent. Not only that, but it is often times necessary for mental health when it encompasses things like neurological psychology.[/quote']
instead of rehashing everything, I will just say :amen: kevin to all the posts in this thread (at least I think I read them all :lol )
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Remember, cells are not tangible either. They can be observed but not touched, felt, or tasted. Nerve impulses can be observed but not touched, felt or tasted. Yet we know that those impulses allow us to think just as cells make up all living things. I agree that we shouldn't rely on psychology for answers to life's problems and that "disorders" today are seriously over-diagnosed. That doesn't discount the entire field of psychology though, just as the widespread acceptance of evolution doesn't discount biology as a whole.


Hmmm. I'm not going to spend much time on this thread because I think most people are already set in their thinking. I would challenge you; however, on the "cell" issue. Cells are most definitely tangible. I can scrape skin cells off my arm, put them under my homeschool microscope right now and let my kids observe it--I could do the same with a drop of blood, which of course contains many cells. Cells are observable and operate according to a set of principles set at the time of creation by the hand of God.....they are predictable. You may observe the inside of cells and how they function, you may watch them reproduce, under a set of certain predictable circumstances you can cause cells to reproduce exactly how you want them to. My husband does this all the time in cell culture--he is a cancer researcher. This is called science. It is observable, testable and repeatable. period. Psychology is not. You can see the brain, you can see nerve cells. You can test nerve "impulses". That is the physical aspect of our bodies. There is a non-flesh aspect to our bodies that is NOT predictable, and cannot be seen. Only God can see our thoughts and they are not observable, testable and repeatable by a researcher. You can point to studies all you want about how they can stimulate certain parts of the brain to elicit emotion, but they are still only stimulating the physical, not the non-physical. Am I saying throw out all psychology--not necessarily, but keep it in its place--it is not science, and cannot be compared to biology!
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... they are predictable. You may observe the inside of cells and how they function' date=' you may watch them reproduce, under a set of certain predictable circumstances you can cause cells to reproduce exactly how you want them to. My husband does this all the time in cell culture--he is a cancer researcher. This is called [b']science. It is observable, testable and repeatable. period. Psychology is not. You can see the brain, you can see nerve cells. You can test nerve "impulses". That is the physical aspect of our bodies. There is a non-flesh aspect to our bodies that is NOT predictable, and cannot be seen. Only God can see our thoughts and they are not observable, testable and repeatable by a researcher. You can point to studies all you want about how they can stimulate certain parts of the brain to elicit emotion, but they are still only stimulating the physical, not the non-physical. Am I saying throw out all psychology--not necessarily, but keep it in its place--it is not science, and cannot be compared to biology!


Amen. Psychology is not a science despite what it's proponents say. Instead of dealing with the spiritual it deals with the mental. I reject it outright, especially the term Christian Psychology, it's an oxymoron. psychology has NO place in the church. Christianity and psychology were enemies in "evangelical" circles at least until the 1960s. It is not far from the truth to say that the modern church has been invaded by pop-psychology on a grand scale. The sufficiency of Scripture is a subject that many are soft on. The modern church has abandoned or forgotten our resources in Christ Jesus altogether. The physical side as discussed by Dwayne is of course a different matter, it would be criminal to withhold medication in such cases.
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I think there is a confusion of terms here. You guys seem to be talking about psychology as it applies to solving man's problems. Psyche(mind) + ologys(study of) means the study of the mind. There is nothing unbiblical about it and you will find that there are many branches of psychology if you do the research, most of which are completely innocent, if not beneficial.

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As with our previous discussion on Yoga' date=' you seem to be giving psychology a new definition as well. Just as stretching and exercises in themselves are [u']not Yoga, looking at human behavior or personalities in itself is not psychology. By confusing these terminologies you are unwittingly (I assume) defending one of the most humanistic institutions of the last 2000 years: the study of the God-given, invisible portion of the human being from Satan-given perspectives.

To be clear, I am speaking of psychology in the church fellowship and in the church membership.

No one said that psychology must be used to witness, I was simply stating that one of our primary functions as Christians is not born upon by psychology; neither are any other commandments from God's word: that makes psychology unnecessary for the Christian, does it not? Its absence from God's word was only given as backing for the idea that it is not a necessity. Psychology is against God's word, so by that we have discernment that it should be thrown out.

What purpose outside of addressing problems is there within psychology?

All we need to know about the human soul is completely covered by the Bible. Who could tell us more than God?

Again, if you think that studying personalities is interesting and helpful, that is fine. Just don't call that psychology, because it isn't, especially if it is based on the Bible.


:amen: :thumb

I agree, psychiatrist treatment goes against Bible treatment, although many want to combine the 2, you can not combine God's Word with men's thinking and come up with the truth. God's truth stand on its own, any time you mix men's word with it you corrupt God's Word. The sad thing is many Christians want to mix the 2.

I to have a sister whose brain is messed up, medicines does help her very much.

It always gets me when some claim to be insane and kill someone, some stupid psychiatrist will pronounce them healed after a while, them the judge will free them, them they do it again, that in itself proves no one can read the mind. Insanity is a cop out, to keep the blame of murder off of self or I should say sin.

Man truly does not like to take responsibility for their own actions, committing sin, if they would many more would be saved. Jesus Christ is our only answer to sin. But man will use all kinds of excuses.

Now I will try to read the rest of the replies.
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