Tithing - is is obligatory for Christians?

[Jerry]

There are many requirements for NT Christians that are not mentioned in Acts 15. What that chapter is dealing with is primary instructions to give newly saved Gentiles - not all the instructions they are ever to get - or else we would not have the NT epistles giving us further instruction in the Christian life.

Madeline, what part of the word tithe is not found in Hebrews seven where Paul specifically uses the word tithe?

Hebrews 7:4-10 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Looks like it mentions tithing to me...

There is not ONE passage that teaches a tithe is a requirement under the New Covenant.

Deal with the context of the OT quotes in 1 Corinthians 9 - they are referring to OT tithing laws.

[John81]

If we are bringing personal experience into the equation then I might ask why we have reaped more after we stopped tithing and began giving as Paul instructs in the New Testament.

We used to tithe out of love and obedience, claiming the promises of Malachi, and we experienced an increase in financial burdens and the need to go into debt or starve during most of the years we tithed.

After I studied the topic, as Scripture commands, I saw the tithe was not something passed onto the New Testament church. Since that time we stopped tithing, yet we continued giving and our financial situation has steadily improved since then.

[282Mikado]

If we are bringing personal experience into the equation then I might ask why we have reaped more after we stopped tithing and began giving as Paul instructs in the New Testament.

We used to tithe out of love and obedience, claiming the promises of Malachi, and we experienced an increase in financial burdens and the need to go into debt or starve during most of the years we tithed.

After I studied the topic, as Scripture commands, I saw the tithe was not something passed onto the New Testament church. Since that time we stopped tithing, yet we continued giving and our financial situation has steadily improved since then.

And I experienced just the opposite. As soon as we started using the tithe as our basis of giving, our financial situation was abundantly blessed.

[John81]

And I experienced just the opposite. As soon as we started using the tithe as our basis of giving, our financial situation was abundantly blessed.

Which proves my point. Our personal experiences in this are not proof of anything.

If we had the time and desire we could go forth and find a thousand folks who say they are more blessed when they tithe and a thousand folks who say they are more blessed when they give rather than tithe.

I have yet to see tithing put forth as a command to New Testament Christians.

[John81]

Why Modern Churches Are Carnal
God?s Plan For A Scriptural New Testament Church
By J. B. Sparks


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Chapter 6

Now, let's take a look at tithing. Is tithing for today? No, I believe that tithing is not for today's New Testament churches. It was part of the law for the nation of Israel. God said it was. He said tithing was (1) for the nation of Israel to give, (2) for the tribe of the Levites to receive, and (3) was of the Law.

(1) The tithe was instituted by God for the nation of Israel.
And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD. And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. These [are] the commandments, which the LORD COMMANDED MOSES FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL in mount Sinai. Levi 27:30-34.

Even the most famous verse used by people today to support tithing in churches says that tithing was for the nation of Israel. For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore YE SONS OF JACOB are not consumed. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept [them]. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say. Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye [are] cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, [even] this whole NATION. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that [there shall] not [be room] enough [to receive it]. Mal 3:6-10. "Sons of Jacob" was another term for the nation of Israel. The command for the tithe was for the people of the nation of Israel.

(2) The Tithe was for the Levites
"And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Thou shalt have no inheritance in their land, neither shalt thou have any part among them: I [am] thy part and thine inheritance among the children of Israel. 21 And, behold, I have given the CHILDREN OF LEVI ALL THE TENTH in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, [even] the service of the tabernacle of the congregation". 26 "Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the TITHES which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe". Num 18:20-26. Very clear here that the tithe was for the Levites, because they did not have part of the inheritance, and it was for their service in the tabernacle and later in the temple. "And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities THE PORTIONS OF THE LAW for the PRIESTS and LEVITES." Neh 12:44 The tithe was for the priests and Levites. "And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the TITHES of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded [to be given] TO THE LEVITES, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests". (Neh 13:5). " Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. 5 And verily they that are of the SONS OF LEVI, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT TO TAKE TITHES of the people according to the law". Heb 7: 4-5.

(3) The Tithe was of the Law
The tithe was very clearly part of the Law. Even in the New Testament this is clear. "Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a COMMANDMENT to take tithes of the people ACCORDING TO THE LAW". Heb 7:4-5.

"And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes , to gather into them out of the fields of the cities THE PORTIONS OF THE LAW for the priests and levites...." Neh 12:44.

"And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD.? 34 These [are] the COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD COMMANDED MOSES for the children of Israel in mount Sinai". Levi 27: 30-34. (Tithing was of the Law of Moses)

So, it is very clear to me that the tithe was (1) by the nation of Israel, (2) for the tribe of the Levites, and (3) part of the Law.

I have heard a good argument, that tithing is not of the Law, because it was before the giving of the Law to Moses. What about that verse just used, Hebrews 7:4-5? It says that Abraham gave tithes, and he was before the Law and before Moses, so tithing was before the Law. Jacob also tithed and he was before the Law. Thus, if tithing was before the Law then it should apply after the Law. (For our time) Well, clear verses used above clearly state that tithing was of the Law. So, now we have to explain a situation, not a verse. The Bible doesn't say that Abraham was commanded to give a tithe. (Jacob, who was before Moses and the Law, also promised to give tithes to God, but we see no command here either)

(1) According to Bible dictionaries, tithing was popular among many nations. History shows that many nations gave different percentages of their income for religious works. (The Westminister Dict. of the Bible says "The separation of a certain proportion of the products of one's industry or of the spoils of war as tribute to their gods was practiced by various nations at this time. The Lydians offered a tithe of their booty. The Phoenicians and Carthaginians sent a tithe annually to the Tyrian Hercules. These tithes might be regular or occasional, voluntary or prescribed by law. The Egyptians were required to give a 5th part of their crops to Pharaoh (Gen. 47:24) Abraham and Jacob were no doubt familiar with this principle, even though it was not yet given to them by God as a command.

(2) To answer those who say that the command of tithing was before the Law because Abraham gave tithes, violate all the Scriptures that clearly say that it was of the Law. But, let's look at a similar principle to make a parallel. It is interesting to note that circumcision was given in the Law of Moses. Nobody will argue with that. But, wait a minute. Abraham and Jacob were also circumcised. God told them to. Then, circumcision was before the Law, so then if circumcision applied before the Law then it should apply after the Law, which would be for today. But, no! The New Testament clearly says that circumcision was of the Law and not to be observed by Christians as being legal. So, just because circumcision was practiced before the Law, that does not make it right after the Law. Thus, the same would seem true for tithing.

Nowhere in the New Testament is there a command for tithing. Nowhere. You say, "Well, there is no place in the New Testament that says you shouldn't tithe, as it does with circumcism." True, but I would hate to take any doctrine of the Law given to the Jews, and make it a doctrine for a New Testament church. So, what does the New Testament teach then, if not tithing. It teaches giving, not tithing, and there is a difference. Most all churches today teach tithing, but you will not find it anywhere in the New Testament in any of the commands to the churches. You will find it mentioned in the four gospels, and Jesus commended those who tithed, but remember, that was not a church. The Temple and the Levitical priests were still there. The Levites and the law was still in affect. Jesus had not died yet, the veil of the Temple had not yet been rent, and the New Testament had not begun. He was still fulfilling the law of the Old Testament. Jesus lived on the earth during the Old Testament and under the Law. The New Testament began at Christ's death, and the church soon was established by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Besides the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, you will find tithing only mentioned in one other place in the New Testament, and that is in the book of Hebrews, written to the Jewish Christians. It is reflecting back to Abraham and it is not being used to endorse tithing, but rather Jesus as being the high priest. You will not find tithing or giving 10 percent anywhere else in the New Testament. Nowhere. You would think with all these new Gentile churches being founded by Paul and others, and the many epistles written to them regarding how to conduct themselves as Christians, that surely tithing would have been mentioned. Mentioned especially to Gentiles who were not familiar with tithing and other aspects of the Law. But it never is. Giving is mentioned several times to the churches, but never tithing.

"Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first [day] of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as [God] hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by [your] letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem". 1Cor 16:1-3. (Tithing or giving ten percent is not mentioned or implied here. Giving is commanded in this verse, and to give as God has prospered us, putting money aside to be given and sent to the poor saints at Jerusalem.) God does want us to give, and to give from the heart. "Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, [so let him give]; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver". 2Cor 9: 7 (Tithing not mentioned or implied here, but giving. Notice, he says not of necessity. Tithing would be of necessity. It was of the Law. Giving from a cheerful heart is because you love God, not because you have to. And you are to give as you purpose in your heart. No 10 percent mentioned here. The more a person loves God the more he will want to give) Yes, we are to give. God wants us to. He commands us to give, but that we should give willingly, cheerfully, and liberally. 2 Cor 8:13 "For [i mean] not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: But by an equality, [that] now at this time your abundance [may be a supply] for their want, that their abundance also may be [a supply] for your want: that there may be equality": (liberal giving is taught here)

Now, these are just a few of many verses on Christian giving. But, tithing is never, never mentioned to any of the New Testament churches. There are many that feel if tithing is not taught today, then no one would give anything. That may be true for some, but I believe that real Christians will be led of the Holy Spirit to give and to give all, if necessary for God's work and to help other saints in need.

It seems to me that most churches today have gotten themselves in this mess because most operate as businesses, and when they do, they must have a source of revenue in order to operate the business, and must have an executive or businessman to run the business. But, early churches did not operate as businesses, because God did not set them up to run that way. Now, in the Old Testament, you had a different situation. You had a building and properties (Temple) and a priesthood and tithing was a command of God for the nation of Israel to give this ten percent (almost like a tax) for their upkeep. God promised to bless all those who did. However, the New Testament Christians were to give as they purposed in their heart from a heart of love. Many gave all they had in the first early churches. They sold their properties and gave it all, even though there was no command to do so. The Scriptures plainly teach that Christians serve and give their all from the heart because they love the Lord. Just because you don't believe they will, doesn't mean that you have to invoke a Law to make sure they do.

You may feel that there is no difference in tithing and giving, that it is just a difference in terminology. But, it appears that the teaching of tithing could be very detrimental to the New Testament Christian. "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord [is], there [is] liberty." 2 Cor 3:17 Tithing is not "giving" and not of the Law of Liberty but of the Law of Moses. Tithing is of the Law and would therefore place the Christian under the Law in one respect. We are clearly taught that we are not to put ourselves under the Law in any respect. Paul rebuked those in that day for trying to get Christians to be circumcised by the Law. He would also rebuke those who put themselves under the Law of tithing. Give, yes. Tithe, no.

You say they are really the same. No, friend, they are not. It is very dangerous to teach that God wants tithing in New Testament churches today, when He nowhere said in His word that He does. We should obey God and not men. Men today command tithing, but God has nowhere commanded New Testament churches to tithe. "? let God be true , but every man a liar;?." Rom 3:4. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for teaching that you can't do anything on the Sabbath, even good things. They twisted this Law to be a burden to others. They made it appear as God's word and Jesus said, no, you are "Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition," Mk 7:13. It seems that tithing has also become a tradition or commandment of men in today's churches. "Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth." Titus 1:14. This verse says that when you follow commandments of men rather than what God says, that you will turn from the truth. More and more, you will turn from the truth. Tithing today, what tomorrow?

I tell people that I give a lot more than 10 percent of my income to the Lord, but I do not believe in tithing. I still get persecuted. You see, fact of the matter is, they probably don't really care how much you give. They just want you to be under their law of tithing. They don't want you to have liberty. "But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised: And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:" Gal 2:3-4. (You see, here Paul is saying that their real purpose was not to get Titus circumcised, but to put him in bondage.) (So, it is likewise with tithing. They don't care how much you give as long as you are under their bondage of tithing.) Why? Maybe so they can glory in your flesh. "For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh ." Gal 6:13 But, the Bible teaches that we "Stand fast, therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Gal 5:1. We are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free, so do not put yourself under bondage in any way, shape, or form. We are to be the Lord's bondman. We are to do what He says to do. And nowhere does He say that we are to tithe in the church.

It almost appears that instead of New Testament churches today, we seem to have instead Old Testament temples. (Paul had a great deal of trouble trying to keep the Jewish legalizers away from the churches of his day, especially in the churches of Galacia. There have always been people around who don't like other people having democracy, freedom, or liberty, to serve God. Satan wants to bring Christians into bondage. It has always been that way, and it is that way today.) They have really had their effects on today's churches. Instead of a church, we have more what resembles a temple (they call it the "house of God") They make it like a sanctuary and even call it that. The building is called the church. But, Jesus said our body is the temple of God. Saved people are the church. We have also gone back to the Old Testament, and pulled out a position and called it the office of the pastor, but it is more like that of an Old Testament priest than a Scriptural New Testament elder. It was the priest's job to run the house of God, and to be the mediator between God and man. Now, the pastor is hired to run the church building and organization, and he also tries to be the mediator between God and man. And, now we have gone back and pulled out tithing from the Law and imposed it on the New Testament churches, and said that it is the same principle, when the Bible clearly states otherwise. So, don't tell me it is only terminology. It's probably much worse than you think.

In conclusion, tithing was clearly (1) for Israel to give, (2) for the Levites to receive, (3) and commanded by the Law. It is not for today's New Testament churches or God would have informed us in His Word. Furthermore, in summary, tithing is not for today because: (1) it is clear that tithing is of the law, and Jesus fulfilled the law, (2) there is no command in the New Testament for tithing, (3) there is no example of a New Testament church tithing, (4) there is no example in the New Testament of a Christian tithing, and 5) tithing is not for Christians, because the New Testament does give specific directions on how Christians are to give and tithing is not included.

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[John81]

Bible Question: Someone told my congregation that if you do not pay your tithes you are cursed and quoted Malachi 3:6-9. Is this true?

Bible Answer: Tithes. Old Testament tithes were actually taxes that the Israelites were required to give to God in support of Israel?s civil government, welfare system, and support of the priesthood. In the Old Testament the word "tithe" occurs thirty-one times, but in the New Testament the word occurs only five times (Matt. 23:23, Luke 11:42, Luke 18:12, Hebrews 7:8-9). The New Testament never asks or commands us to give tithes to God. But God asks us to give to Him freely as we desire. Tithing is not a biblical concept for Christians. It was for the Israelites and the Old Testament saints. It was Israel's national taxation system. You may want to read a study entitled ?Tithing or Giving?? It will explain this in detail.

Cursed? Consequently, if tithing is not for today, we cannot be cursed. The person who said that the congregation could be cursed does not understand the biblical teaching about tithes and giving. Malachi's prophecy was for ancient Israel and not for Christians. The scriptures do not teach that believers should give ten percent (or a tithe) to God. That was only for Israel. The New Testament calls us to give freely from the heart. Our giving should be for the support of our local church and missions.

Conclusion: How should we give? If we look at what God has given us, we should probably give God more than ten percent. He has given us physical life, a place to live, food, clothes, but most of all he has given us eternal life with Himself. That is something that we do not deserve.

[282Mikado]

Which proves my point. Our personal experiences in this are not proof of anything.

If we had the time and desire we could go forth and find a thousand folks who say they are more blessed when they tithe and a thousand folks who say they are more blessed when they give rather than tithe.

I have yet to see tithing put forth as a command to New Testament Christians.

Agreed, as I pretty much stated in my first posting on this thread.

[JerryNumbers]

John that was some good stuff you pulled up, for the best of me I just don't see where people get that tithing thing.

I suppose to that someone has been spying in on church members finances to know what they have been giving and or not giving.

The way I see it, its not of my business what church members give, its actually between them and God ,if they are a cheerful giver everything will be cool. I have noticed in some churches that the pastor will cater to the ones who have the most money and or give the most.

I'll tell you one thing, if the pastor feeds the sheep properly and they will receive the feed, everything in that church will work out right good and in accordance with God's way and that church will meet all of its needs.

That article talked about churches running their self as a business, that is so true, and its so wrong.

And one more thing, if we will really put our trust in God, we can learn to be content, not have to have so much stuff to make us happy. When we get that contentment, our money will go much further and we will not keep digging our selves deeper in debt, & them we will have more to give to God and will be very cheerful about it.

If we are deep in debt, still digging even deeper, have not learned contentment, we will never be a cheerful giver to the Lord thy God.

[Madeline]

There are many requirements for NT Christians that are not mentioned in Acts 15. What that chapter is dealing with is primary instructions to give newly saved Gentiles - not all the instructions they are ever to get - or else we would not have the NT epistles giving us further instruction in the Christian life.

Madeline, what part of the word tithe is not found in Hebrews seven where Paul specifically uses the word tithe?

Hebrews 7:4-10 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Looks like it mentions tithing to me...



Deal with the context of the OT quotes in 1 Corinthians 9 - they are referring to OT tithing laws.

The context has nothing, NOTHING, whatever to do with tithing under the New Covenant. The writer of this passage had no intention of even examining the use of the tithe under the Old Covenant. The writer didn't present this passage as proof that the tithe did not end. It is not the context of the passage... It is misleading and false teaching to claim that when a writer presents a historical reality, that because he has presented it within its historical context, it is the subject of his teaching. The tithe has nothing whatever to do with the Hebrew writer's teaching in this passage. As to your reference to 1 Cor 9...there is not one reference to tithing in that passage.....please name the verse in that chapter that is teaching it...here is the context the writer was talking about:

And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

The context is comparing the earlier priesthood in Israel to the Eternal Priesthood of Christ under the New Covenant. The context is not tithing under the New Covenant. Your statements equal teaching something like this. "Christians can only teach using parables" Then this passage is provided as proof:

And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, - Matthew 22:1,2

And if I were to say that is not true, you send the above passage to me and ask, "Where is the word Parables NOT in this passage?

Love,
Madeline

[Jerry]

Madeline of the ever-changing theology, you still have not addressed why Paul refers to tithing in Hebrews 7 in the present tense. If it was already done away with as of the start of the NT church, why did he do this - he would have used past tense.

Study out the OT references used in 1 Corinthians 9 - they are referring to tithing laws. It is not my fault if you refuse to study/check out an issue.

[Madeline]

Madeline of the ever-changing theology, you still have not addressed why Paul refers to tithing in Hebrews 7 in the present tense. If it was already done away with as of the start of the NT church, why did he do this - he would have used past tense.

Study out the OT references used in 1 Corinthians 9 - they are referring to tithing laws. It is not my fault if you refuse to study/check out an issue.

You need to provide the word you feel implies the present tense as to the context "tithing" then or now..... (it isn't in this passage). The passage doesn't indicate the writer was speaking about tithing or what was taking place in the present tense in regards to the tithe as being continued under the New Covenant. The teaching in the present in this passage is about the fact that Christ is our high priest forever (always from now own in our present).

Love,
Madeline

[Guest Guest]

It was for the Israelites and the Old Testament saints. It was Israel's national taxation system.

Just a note, it was very different from taxes, they had to pay those too. Look up where Samuel was speaking of the type of kings they would have... That is where their taxes went...

[bob123]

Madeline of the ever-changing theology, you still have not addressed why Paul refers to tithing in Hebrews 7 in the present tense. If it was already done away with as of the start of the NT church, why did he do this - he would have used past tense.

Study out the OT references used in 1 Corinthians 9 - they are referring to tithing laws. It is not my fault if you refuse to study/check out an issue.

I am a little concerned with the tone of this thread; I may be old fashioned but I believe in treating ladies with a certain degree of deference and respect (perhaps that is why I have been happily married for 27 years!!).

Anyway, this Malachi 3 thing does not refer to Christians but to Jews. Moreover, the "curse" in verse 9 cannot refer to Christians as Christ has borne the curse for us. God will bless those who give to Him but it should be done cheerfully and not out of obediance to an obsolete law.

[Evan57]

John81 did explain very clear. I thank God for this. It is giving out of the cheerful heart. It is up to believers to give more than tithe, at tithe, or less than tithe (10%) with cheerful give. It doesn't matter how much believers give but it is matter on believers' attitudes to God, not to people. I am strongly encourage believers help the churches for pastors' financial, building, electric, water, so on and be involve to serve the Lord. Love and support your churches and pastors.

Smile! God loves you all!! Yahoo!! :smile

Evan57

[RayJr]

100% of the money we make belongs to God, to not give back to God would be steeling. I'm not gonna steel from God. r/u? I think some have already answered that.