Dude, you stepped in something!

[Marcus2Israel]

I was reading up on some proof for creation (and obviously, as you all know, it abounds) and found a funny article. Ok, so years ago, some scientists found a trilobite, (supposedly extinct early lifeform) had been stepped on by a shoe. So, once its confirmed that its a trilobite and a shoe and the shoe is on a trilobite, what do the evolutionists say? Evidently aliens came and stepped on a trilobite, or some ancient race now extinct did. "Megorp orp fleerrrrgggarg, (in English) Dude, you just stepped on a trilobite!"

[tired]

:lol: :loco

[Guest Guest]

My father-in-law told me about this some time ago. We sat over dinner laughing..."those idiots"...

[John81]

Perfect example of those blind to the truth.

It's like the findings of dinosaur tracks and human footprints found together. This simply doesn't fit their evolutionary ideas so they come up with various implausible ideas to explain away the facts.

The wise made foolish!

[Alimantado]

I was reading up on some proof for creation (and obviously' date=' as you all know, it abounds) and found a funny article. Ok, so years ago, some scientists found a trilobite, (supposedly extinct early lifeform) had been stepped on by a shoe. So, once its confirmed that its a trilobite and a shoe and the shoe is on a trilobite, what do the evolutionists say? Evidently aliens came and stepped on a trilobite, or some ancient race now extinct did. "Megorp orp fleerrrrgggarg, (in English) Dude, you just stepped on a trilobite!"[/quote']
I've found a few references to the sandal and the trilobite, but no reference to evolutionist claims that an alien made the footprint. But what you're describing sounds a bit like what's being talked about in this article: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creatio ... osaurs.asp

The claim about aliens stepping on (in this case) dinosaur footprints, comes from the Russian journalist Alexander Bushev, who wrote the original newspaper article (hint: not a study) reporting the presence of the marks.

[Guest Guest]

I have seen this one before and I have to agree with you Alimantado, sometimes some creationists go overboard to make a point. It is a shame that they occasionally do so because it hurts our credibility and it is not like it is difficult to find genuine holes in evolution. Things like this make us look foolish. Anyone who takes a serious unbiased look at this should understand that they(the creationists) would have been better off using something else. Unfortunately, on both sides there seems to be a great deal of sarcasm and hyperbole with fairly limited attention given to "facts". I wish more creationists would dig up their own facts instead of parroting. I heard of this particular "incident" from Hovind at least ten years ago... One would think given it's shaky substance and value it would have been allowed to drop in this amount of time. I am sure that a number of evolutionists have said stupid things since then even if creationist insist on using non-mainstream ideas gleaned from various non-mainstream evolutionists. Please... evolution has plenty of problems as it is... We should deal with mainstream opinion not odd individuals...

BTW in case anyone wonders yes I am very much a YEC, I just don't like it when my side uses highly dubious examples... :bonK:

[qwerty guy]

So in other words' date=' rather than funding some research to investigate these newspaper claims, study the site, publish a paper or two, and actually add to our scientific knowledge, Answers in Genesis would rather just appropriate the remarks of a journalist in order to trash evolutionists and then add a disclaimer warning that they have no idea whether the entire newspaper article is even true anyway.[/quote']

[John81]

I've read much of that myself. There are many who seriously believe we were planted here by aliens or that aliens came along and helped our thick headed, cave man ancestors to climb on up the evolutionary ladder.

Why there are even those who proclaim the Bible is about aliens and God was an alien!

This stuff is put forth as serious; not as some joke or stretch of the imagination.

There are scores of books on how the aliens built the pyramids, parted the Red Sea, visited the Mayans and Aztecs, had spaceship landing sights around the earth, etc.

[Guest Guest]

Of course some evolutionists believe in aliens. Many more consider it a possibility. However it is hardly viewed as a established mainstream "evolutionary fact" within the scientific community. Therefore it is no more fair to use the fact that some evolutionist claimed an alien stepped on a trilobite as "proof" that evolutionists are crazy than it would be to to claim that YEC's are crazy anti-government tax evaders because of some of the things hovind has said and done. The fact is there are indeed some anti-government tax evaders who are YEC's, at least one of whom is high profile, and there are evolutionists who think aliens are here or have been here, a few of whom no doubt are also high profile, but regardless, neither view is a mainstream aspect of either position. Deal with the real issues.

Many people believe that aliens are coming to earth. Even more believe that out there somewhere there could be aliens. Why wouldn't we use this argument to show how stupid some evolutionists are?

Maybe because our goal should not be to use sarcasm and ridicule in an attempt to make them appear stupid idiots, but rather: "In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;".

[Alimantado]

Unfortunately' date=' on both sides there seems to be a great deal of sarcasm and hyperbole with fairly limited attention given to "facts". [/quote']
For real. If Answers in Genesis wanted to find some examples of 'evolutionists' who were close-minded and dogmatic in their zeal for evolution, they need only have spoken to some of my mates. There is an interesting argument to be had with compelling arguments from both sides. What a pity that organisations like AiG have to resort to trashy tabloid style reporting. And it isn't just Creationists.



Because you would do better to take the higher ground and show the shortcomings of Atheism, rather than sink to their level and come up with some trashy, uninformative and quite frankly boring stories about how some evolutionists believe in Alien abductions etc. Who cares?

[qwerty guy]

Seth, what's a "evolutionary fact" !?!?

Alimantado, no problem. I should be able to look it up by the end of the weekend, but just to be safe gimmi a week. I gots a lot of fires going right now.


Editied to add that What's with the argument, that here, or answers in Genesis has to prove anything to anyone? Have you read what this board is for and about? If you want to debate the non-biblical side, keep in mind that you're doing so out of the pure privilege that the board owner allows. To expect people WITH the biblical view to "need" to defend themselves here, you're in the wrong house.

Second, AIG is the same. They are a private organization. That's their private web site. You know what private means? It means they can say and do what ever they want within the law. "scientific" magazines, labs, universities, these are NOT private. These have MY money supplementing them. When the government starts to give MY money away to places, I now have a right to get upset about the STUPID stuff they come up with.

If you think this argument is about truth, and what people believe, I think you're off the ball. I don't really care if someone wants to think they are part monkey, but I REALLY don't want to pay to teach people that garbage. I also don't appreciate some over educated fool telling me what I should believe and teach in my own home and how. I don't go onto universities property bashing evolution, unless I'm invited. I don't go onto "scientific" sites and mock them, or ask them to "prove it" over and over and over and over never accepting the data until they get tired of even answering. If someone wants to sit on a privately owned Christian chat board, and just laugh about some stupid thing some evolutionists have said, so be it. I've seen the threads on "scientific" forums about christians. I don't go there challenging everything I can. I simply have more things to do in my life, and i respect that it's their board.

[Guest Guest]

Seth, what's a "evolutionary fact" !?!?

If you actually read, in context, what I said you should understand.

If someone wants to sit on a privately owned Christian chat board, and just laugh about some stupid thing some evolutionists have said, so be it.

Might be if it was the board administrator, but somehow I don't see Bromatt doing that. All I see is your big(and highly foolish) attitude. Alimantado was perfectly polite, and I don't ever recall that he has been insulting to creationism. He just isn't a Christian. He is here to learn and has said and acted as much. It is a sorry state of affairs when an admittedly unsaved person consistently exhibits a more Godly attitude than a Christian who should know better. If your Christianity can't even control your attitude on a internet forum it isn't much good in this life now is it? As it is written:

"are ye not carnal, and walk as men?"

If you don't repent your mouth is going to get you into serious trouble one of these days. Eventually you will bite off a little more than you can chew. Sometimes God lets that happen to teach proper humility and fear of the Lord... Been there done that... If you can't control your mouth maybe you should just be quiet and pray for the grace to be able to do so...

I am not being nasty and I am certainly not mad, but you have a serious problem in your Christian life and you don't even realize it. You seem to consider it a virtue. Don't glory in sin. Consider this a friendly heads up or a word of warning.

"Proverbs 16:18 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

"Proverbs 25:28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls."

"Proverbs 10:19 In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin: but he that refraineth his lips is wise."

"Proverbs 17:27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit."

"Proverbs 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not."

If you are wise you will not deny or laugh this off, because it is written: "for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh."

Here on this forum your mouth has been speaking plenty long enough to tell us what the abundance of your heart is according to that passage...



Grace and peace...

[Alimantado]

Thanks for the comments, Seth.

Qwerty Guy, thanks for offering to look up the paper. When you say you've lots of fires going on, does that mean you're a fire fighter or a manager with lots of people to fire?

You are quite right that the forum is private and is a Christian forum. As such, I never ask people to prove anything non-Biblical to me, unless we've both willingly got to that point in a discussion. And I rarely start the threads on creation/evolution- though I do post on them. By and large, my arguments are in favour of finding out the truth, so you and me share common ground with that goal.

With regard to AiG, I don't think they have to prove anything to anyone, and I do respect their right to print whatever they want. But for the record, I think people/organisations are game for criticism even if they are funded privately, so long as they are public-facing, which AiG is.

If you think this argument is about truth' date=' and what people believe, I think you're off the ball...[/quote']
I was criticising AiG, and the OP to some extent, because it seemed to me that they were homing in on off-the-cuff remarks made by evolutionists/journalists as if that was where the scientific consensus was to be found. AiG can do whatever it wants, but if instead of dredging up non-stories about Russian journalists thinking aliens walked with dinosaurs, it instead funded research and published polite and accessible rebuttals to mainstream scientific thinking, it would do its job a bit better in my opinion. See the ICR article I cited earlier as an example of what AiG could be doing. They are quite a wealthy apologetic group from what I've heard, so why not fund a man to look at those tracks and write a report on it?

[Psalms18_28]

they don't really need to go around finding proof for creation.It's already there.It's like two scientists from two different culture/country, studying the ONE and ONLY "Lucy" fossil telling each other to get their own Lucy or fossil. They gonna have to share Lucy. And evolutionists is gonna have to share their research results (like measurements, lab, etc)to creationists. If they send someone there, it would be a waste of money if the results is the same as everyone else. Creationists have the rights to interpret it the best they can from a biblical stand for christians who love science AND God's work. It would be nice to send someone out though.And they are, which is why they started the creationist journal thing. Alot scientists don't like it and prefer if they stay as an apogetic group. I guess it's taking all their fundings away because there are more people who believe there is God. They do not care for science that study as if there is no God.

About that alien thing.. It may not be a common belief of evolutionists, And I remember them explaining it away but forgot what I read . If I have a link, I'll post it. but I do know that most evolutionist believe somewhere in space, there must be another Earth full of life. Which is why they are searching for water in space. a slightest bacteria in other planets tells them there is life out there somewhere.

[Alimantado]

they don't really need to go around finding proof for creation.It's already there.It's like two scientists from two different culture/country' date=' studying the ONE and ONLY "Lucy" fossil telling each other to get their own Lucy or fossil. They gonna have to share Lucy. And evolutionists is gonna have to share their research results (like measurements, lab, etc)to creationists. If they send someone there, it would be a waste of money if the results is the same as everyone else. Creationists have the rights to interpret it the best they can from a biblical stand for christians who love science AND God's work.[/quote']

Agreed. When someone has collected the data already, anyone should be free to interpret it. But that doesn't apply to the AiG footprints article I cited, because no scientists had been to look at the site in question, evolutionist or otherwise, and yet AiG were trying to make a story out of it. AiG do also review proper research, of course.