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The Rosary derives from the early Christian Church, specifically in Ireland, where uneducated lay people wanted to recite the 150 Psalms daily as the Monks did. However, they could not read, and therefore, said 150 Our Fathers instead. To count how many Our Fathers were said, people carried small pebbles in pouches, 150 for each Psalm. It was simple was of remembering how many Our Fathers were said. This act was done to live a life of daily prayer and reverence. Eventually this became the Rosary, which includes Our Father, Hail Mary, Glory Be, and the Apostles Creed. Even though it is recommended, the Rosary is not a doctrine of the Church nor it is a requirement for anyone to say it. The Church simply teaches it will greatly enrich one's relationship with God through prayer.

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I dont know how to say the rosary, but im sure there is nothing wrong with it. It is a positive notion. Im sure Jesus loves the fact that some people pray to him over and over. :Green

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I dont know how to say the rosary' date=' but im sure there is nothing wrong with it. It is a positive notion. Im sure Jesus loves the fact that some people pray to him over and over. :Green[/quote']
As you say, there is probably nothing inherently wrong with the rosary. However, there is a problem with the kind of "vain repetitions" that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for. And, if one is depending on "saying the rosary" to gain him/her favor with God (or, worse, as some sort of good luck ritual), then that's a problem as well.

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Do you pray the our father? If so, why do you? Is it to gain his favor? We all pray to God, to gain his favor and to ask him for things. I dont see such a problem with it at all.

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Do you pray the father?


Certainly.


Is it to gain his favor?



Certainly not.

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Satan makes it all sound so pure and simple, doesn't he? It is because Mary is worshipped ten prayers to every one prayer to Jesus that it is nothing but blasphemy against the teaching in the Bible!

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... sphemy.htm

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Do you pray the our father? If so' date=' why do you? [/quote']
I pray to God for many reasons: b/c Scripture commands me to; b/c I want to praise Him; b/c I love Him; b/c I'm developing a personal relationship with Him; b/c there are burdens on my heart; b/c I know that prayer strengthens my walk with God; and many more reasons.

No. I cannot gain any more favor from God than what I already have in Christ Jesus.

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ok, for some reason it did not post, so i will try again..


Hail [Mary] full of grace,
The Lord is with thee,

Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her:
"Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women."

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Blessed art thou amongst women,
And Blessed is the fruit of they womb, [Jesus].

Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said;
"Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb."

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Holy Mary,

Luke 1:46
"And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord."

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Mother of God,

Luke 1:43
"And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"

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Pray for us sinners,

1 Timothy 2:1-4
"I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone, for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be
saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."

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Now and at the hour of our death,

Luke 8:41-42
And a man whose name was Jairus, head of the synagogue, fell at the feet of Jesus, and begged him to go to his house. For he had an old child girl, of about the age of twelve, and she was near death. And as Jesus went with him, a great crowd pressed him.

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Surely you folks have used up your three warnings by now? The rosary on a IFB board? :roll ban.gif

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The rosary includes meaningless repetition - which we are commanded not to do. It also involves praying to Mary - that is idolatry. We are commanded to pray to and only worship God.

Well, motherof1, we just had four Catholics join within the last two days and get banned today. My guess is you know those Catholics and joined to create further disuption - in that case you will be gone quickly too.

As Seth has stated, this is a Baptist board, not a Catholic one. If you are here to promote Catholic doctrine in any shape or form - after this warning - you will be gone too. And then you can enjoy these boards vicariously, because you won't be able to post anymore on them.

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That was for a "brother", and more importantly the words of these catholics trespass not against me but against our Lord. :wink

After all Paul said:

"O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?"

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For your information, i am Baptist, but i am seriously thinking about changing, one of the reasons would be because of people like you. And of my own personal reasons. I have not been getting a fulness of my faith at my church and have been doing some research of my own and have found things that my current faith is lacking. Sorry if that offends you, it shouldnt.

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There is only one true faith and a person can have that regardless of what denomination they choose. Catholicism, however, is a continuation of ancient evil and is full of idolatry and deception. The Spirit of Truth will not lead you towards lies. Be careful of seeking an "experience". The Bible is sufficient and the Catholic church is chock-full of extra-Biblical teachings.

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It is not personal, but there just is no other way but Christ and catholics add works among other things. I don't have a problem with "you" I have a problem with false doctrine. You said you weren't getting "fullness" and I told you how to get it. You will never have true joy and you will always be empty without him...

"Numbers 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live."

"John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:"

"John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live."

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I have attended a couple Catholic services and did not feel that they were doing anything wrong. I felt the true love for Christ they had.

Back to topic, what about the verses that i posted about the Rosary? If it is in the Bible, why is it so wrong?

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Because it is a vain repetition and not a true prayer. Jesus never meant for us to pray the "Our Father" prayer over and over again before going to bed at night. That has no merit whatsoever. He said "after this manner". It was a model for praying, not a repetitive prayer. Basically, when one is saying the rosary, they are referencing some Bible verses; they aren't praying. Praying is talking to God, confessing your sins, loving Him, praising Him, requesting specifics...

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Way of Life Encyclopedia
ROSARY

The Catholic Rosary is a ritualistic prayer to God the Father and to Mary using a chain of beads to guide the individual through the prayers. Most Rosaries contain five "decades," each with 11 beads, ten small ones and one slightly larger. For each small bead the "Hail Mary" is prayed. For the larger bead a prayer is made to God the Father. Thus, the Rosary is largely a prayer to Mary. A complete Rosary is 15 decades (each of 10 `Hail Marys' and one `Our Father'), though it is more usual to pray five decades. The Rosary's use has been encouraged by such influential Catholics as Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa. "St. Dominic is credited with preaching the Rosary as an antidote to the Albigensian heresy. He called it 'the rampart of the Church of God' and 'the Book of Life.' Popes have described it as 'the salvation of Christians'; 'the dispeller of heresies'; 'the scourge of Satan'; and 'promoter of God's Glory.' Msgr. O'Sullivan in Externals of the Catholic Church says, 'Repetition in prayer is a very ancient custom. It would seem natural for man to recite his prayers over and over ... The Buddhist . has his long string of beads which he uses to measure his eternal repetitions of the praises of Buddha'" (Jackson). The "Hail Mary" prayer in the Rosary is as follows: "Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen."


There is much more information on the Way of Life website on the topic of Roman Catholicism. This short definition is just part of what is contained in the Way of Life Encyclopedia concerning the Rosary. http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns-index/rccfbns.htm

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ok' date=' you still did not answer my question ... read again..[/quote']

I did answer your question. Read again. You asked why it was wrong. I told you why. On top of what I already told you, the "Hail Mary" has some serious doctrinal problems.


When a Catholic says "Mother of God", he does not mean, "Human mother of the human body of Jesus". He means "Queen of Heaven - the one to whom God the Father and God the Son defer". There is a Catholic painting of "God the Father" and "God the Son" giving their crowns to "Mary" and she is sitting in a higher position than they.

To a Catholic, Mary herself was also divinely conceived which means she had that distinction BEFORE Jesus which makes her more important.


It is ok to have other Christians praying with us about things but we are not to pray to another human to intercede to God on our behalf. All true Christians are saints and priests and have only ONE mediator - Jesus Christ the righteous. This is why God tells us to come boldly to the throne of grace.

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I have attended a couple Catholic services and did not feel that they were doing anything wrong. I felt the true love for Christ they had.

Back to topic, what about the verses that i posted about the Rosary? If it is in the Bible, why is it so wrong?

When you quote the Scriptures (regarding Mary) that you mentioned, you are twisting them to mean something they were never intended to mean. Let's say I said to my husband, "Darlin', you are the hottest thing I've ever laid eyes on! What are you doing later on?" OK...but what if my husband's secretary said those same words to him? Big time trouble, honey! What's the big deal? They're the same words, being said to the same person. But they have a totally different meaning coming from someone else's mouth, right?

When the angel greeted Mary, his words were intended as a blessing/greeting/announcement from God. He had the authority from God to speak with Mary in this way. However, his words in our mouths mean something totally different: a prayer to someone who can neither hear nor help us. Praying to someone who cannot hear us is idolatry, plain and simple. Nowhere in Scripture is it even hinted that Mary is our mediator, or that we should be praying to her at all.

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Ok, you are obviously indocrinated because if you actually asked a Priest or someone that is Catholic, like i have..... you would know that they donot put Mary higher than Jesus. That is blasphamy. Why make something up like that? Why not speak the truth, or if you dont know something, then just dont make ignorant comments.

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Back to topic, what about the verses that i posted about the Rosary? If it is in the Bible, why is it so wrong?


Ok, lets just look at a small part of it.

Holy Mary,



Revelation 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

This is saying that only God is Holy. Not Mary. Further, the part about praying to Mary is also unbiblical, the only examples in scripture show that we should pray to God.

It is written:

"Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."

And again:

"1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

We need no other mediator, no pope, no priest, and no godly but dead woman. There is nothing in scripture that would indicate we would and indeed quite the opposite.

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When you quote the Scriptures (regarding Mary) that you mentioned, you are twisting them to mean something they were never intended to mean. Let's say I said to my husband, "Darlin', you are the hottest thing I've ever laid eyes on! What are you doing later on?" OK...but what if my husband's secretary said those same words to him? Big time trouble, honey! What's the big deal? They're the same words, being said to the same person. But they have a totally different meaning coming from someone else's mouth, right?

When the angel greeted Mary, his words were intended as a blessing/greeting/announcement from God. He had the authority from God to speak with Mary in this way. However, his words in our mouths mean something totally different: a prayer to someone who can neither hear nor help us. Praying to someone who cannot hear us is idolatry, plain and simple. Nowhere in Scripture is it even hinted that Mary is our mediator, or that we should be praying to her at all.



My question to you would be...how do you know for certain? You dont...simple as that.

I feel like us Baptists try a bit to hard to not like Mary, just so we are not anything like those Catholics. Im sick of it.

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