Mormon Missionaries

[farouk 16]

We are. It's really an amazing thing - the guy loves my hubby, gives him stuff all the time, listens to him talk about the Bible....but just won't get saved...

HappyChristian:

Yes, well, 1 Thess.5: "Pray without ceasing". My wife and I have a long list of folk we pray for every day. It's a vital exercise. Blessings.

[swathdiver 1,749]

swath - online conversations are sometimes hard to have, because there are no facial tics or body language giveaways. If, in your discussions, you quote God's Word, instead of trying to argue points just to argue, the Holy Spirit can work.

I've been doing my best to quote from the Bible for its words are far more powerful and wise than my own!

the guy loves my hubby, gives him stuff all the time, listens to him talk about the Bible....but just won't get saved...

I bet there is a sin that this fellow is just not willing to let go of. He probably would if you could get it out into the light of day though. Then he'll be ripe for the picking!

[HappyChristian 3,456]

swath - I think the big problem is that he just doesn't see himself as a sinner. He's a really nice guy, will help anyone. Keep up quoting scripture and praying! God promises that His Word won't go out void. My hubby holds to that with his co-worker. Remember George Mueller prayed for two men for years and years. They both got saved, but one didn't until after GM died.

[dantheman2 10]

swath - I think the big problem is that he just doesn't see himself as a sinner. He's a really nice guy, will help anyone. Keep up quoting scripture and praying! God promises that His Word won't go out void. My hubby holds to that with his co-worker. Remember George Mueller prayed for two men for years and years. They both got saved, but one didn't until after GM died.

Sadly that is one of the biggest problems in tryint to reach people; they just don't recognize their spiritual condition. They may be very nice people who would do anything for anyone and would never think of hurting others. They may even be "religious" but have not been saved. At times all you can do is pray for them.

[John81 7,399]

There are a lot of people who don't believe in "sin" and many who have the idea that they are good enough and will make it to heaven. Most people tend to think of themselves as being good or decent. Even many criminals think of themselves as not really being that bad because they have their own code and they don't do certain crimes and they despise those who do.

All of this makes it difficult to reach these people. Most of them have heard just enough about Christianity to either dismiss it or to have decided they can have it their way, or the ever more common "all religions are the same" idea.

Devout Mormons and Muslims, for instance, tend to think they are very good people, much better than Christians, and based upon surface appearances this often seems to be true.

[dantheman2 10]

There are a lot of people who don't believe in "sin" and many who have the idea that they are good enough and will make it to heaven. Most people tend to think of themselves as being good or decent. Even many criminals think of themselves as not really being that bad because they have their own code and they don't do certain crimes and they despise those who do.

All of this makes it difficult to reach these people. Most of them have heard just enough about Christianity to either dismiss it or to have decided they can have it their way, or the ever more common "all religions are the same" idea.

Devout Mormons and Muslims, for instance, tend to think they are very good people, much better than Christians, and based upon surface appearances this often seems to be true.

That's because many who are not Christians consider themselves to be so. Others consider them to be so. They know just enough to make themselves dangerous to themselves and others.

[John81 7,399]

That's because many who are not Christians consider themselves to be so. Others consider them to be so. They know just enough to make themselves dangerous to themselves and others.

That's true and the eternal souls of millions are in grave danger.

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

There are a lot of people who don't believe in "sin" and many who have the idea that they are good enough and will make it to heaven. Most people tend to think of themselves as being good or decent. Even many criminals think of themselves as not really being that bad because they have their own code and they don't do certain crimes and they despise those who do.

All of this makes it difficult to reach these people. Most of them have heard just enough about Christianity to either dismiss it or to have decided they can have it their way, or the ever more common "all religions are the same" idea.

Devout Mormons and Muslims, for instance, tend to think they are very good people, much better than Christians, and based upon surface appearances this often seems to be true.

Part of the reason they feel that way is the fault of many Christians, for many Christians will be best friends & even business partner with very ungodly people never speaking about the condition of their soul for fear of ruining what they call a close friendship or & even worse than that to them, a profitable business relationship.

[John81 7,399]

Part of the reason they feel that way is the fault of many Christians, for many Christians will be best friends & even business partner with very ungodly people never speaking about the condition of their soul for fear of ruining what they call a close friendship or & even worse than that to them, a profitable business relationship.

That's true. I was talking with our pastors last night prior to our board meetings and we touched upon the subject of how so many Christians are always trying to tell everyone we are just like them. As our pastor said, if you claim to be a Christian but you are just like the unsaved, there is something wrong. I pointed out that if Christians claim to be just like the unsaved, why should the unsaved want to become Christians if they are already like them?

There should be obvious differences the unsaved see when they look upon Christians. Our lives should be plainly different. Yet when the world looks at Christians they most often see the world looking right back at them.

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

Your right, its nearly impossible to tell most Christian families from a family of unbeliever. Most confessing Christians are just as worldly as the unbeliever, in a race to have just as much material goods as the unbeliever that lives next door.

1Ti 2:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
1Ti 2:2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

How many professing Christians live a life as described in the above verse?

[John81 7,399]

Our church helps support an outreach to Mormons and one of the biggest obstacles is that Mormons see themselves as being "good" while they see Christians as living like the world.

This is an even bigger factor for those trying to witness to Muslims.

[Calvary Dfw 2]

Hi everyone. I'm new here so please bear with me.

I am a former Mormon. I was in the lds church for 30 years. Raised in it. I loved it! Leaving was very difficult because, like the missionaries you met, I sincerely believed.

What's important to understand is that there is a mental disconnect between your mouth and the Mormon's brain. I don't mean this to be insulting. But the LDS church uses Christian terms with LDS meanings attached.

Allow me to show you an example from Bruce McKonkies seminal work: MORMON DOCTRINE.

SALVATION BY GRACE
"Since all good things come by the grace of God (that is, by his love and mercay, and condescension), it follows that salvation itself-in all its forms and degrees- is bestowed because of this infinite goodness. However, one of the untrue doctrines found in modern Christendom is the concept that man can gain salvation (meaning in the kingdom of God) by grace alone and without obedience....

Immortality is afree gift and comes without works or righteousness of any sort; all men will come forth in the resurrection because of the atoning sacrifice of Christ....

Salvation in the celestial kingdom of God, however, is not salvation by grace alone. Rather, it is salvation by grace coupled with obedience to the laws and ordinances of the [mormon] gospel....

Immortality comes by grace alone, but those who gain it may find themselves damned in eternity."

(Bruce McKonkie, Mormon Doctrine, paperback copy, 1979 pp670-671)

In LDS theology it's believed men become gods and enter into the celestial kingdom. In this light, the above means people are "damned up" like a dam in a lake. There is no damnation to eternal hell. All people go to some level of heaven (except people like me- apostates).

its essential to understand the LDS understanding of terms when dialoging with LDS missionaries (or any other mormon).

[Calvary Dfw 2]

Our church helps support an outreach to Mormons and one of the biggest obstacles is that Mormons see themselves as being "good" while they see Christians as living like the world.

This is an even bigger factor for those trying to witness to Muslims.

Do you guys ever have cult ministries come speak? Or former cultists?

[swathdiver 1,749]

Hi everyone. I'm new here so please bear with me.

I am a former Mormon. I was in the lds church for 30 years. Raised in it. I loved it! Leaving was very difficult because, like the missionaries you met, I sincerely believed.

Welcome aboard! Thanks for highlighting their teachings. The leadership essentially changed the meaning of biblical words to promote their doctrines while at the same time replacing those of the Scriptures. We see that in political parties today too!

How were you saved?

[Cameron 0]

I used to be a mormon, thankfully i never stuck around long enough to go on a mission, What great sorrow it would have brought me to turn people away from the truth of GOD and into the pits of hell. We must pray for our mormon missionaries we get at the door and pray for wisdom to witness the true doctorine of christ to them when they turn up at our doors!!

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

I’m happy y'all found your way out of them, And I feel sure most people do not understand how hard it is to leave where you have so many roots. I think that one thing keeps many people in false teaching churches.

[trell 14]

I love mormons. They provide hours of entertainment!

[PreacherBen 21]

My father-in-law brought his (3rd) wife, their 6 children, and a step-brother into the LDS church after Darlene and I got saved. He tried everything to get us to "convert." I began reading all the LDS literature I could get my hands on. I would find the missionaries biking or walking along, stop, and engage them in, sometimes, hours of discussion. I soon realized my spirit wasn't right and what I really wanted to do was use the Bible to give them a "holy" whippin.' Then the Lord shed light on this in my quiet time, and he began to give me a love for these (usually) young people. After that our talks were more productive and I even saw some fruit. I never had one, "convert," that I know of, but had many tell me they were going to seriously consider what I had shown them.

[JerryNumbers 2,474]

My father-in-law brought his (3rd) wife, their 6 children, and a step-brother into the LDS church after Darlene and I got saved. He tried everything to get us to "convert." I began reading all the LDS literature I could get my hands on. I would find the missionaries biking or walking along, stop, and engage them in, sometimes, hours of discussion. I soon realized my spirit wasn't right and what I really wanted to do was use the Bible to give them a "holy" whippin.' Then the Lord shed light on this in my quiet time, and he began to give me a love for these (usually) young people. After that our talks were more productive and I even saw some fruit. I never had one, "convert," that I know of, but had many tell me they were going to seriously consider what I had shown them.

In the early 90's I got in contact with a sister I had not met since I was about 1&1/2 years of age. After we had met, got to know one another, she started trying to get me to convert to Mormonism. Started out by trying to tell me how bad they had been treated, worse than any other people in history. I told her how bad us Baptist had been treated by the RCC, & how to truly be saved. This went on over a 6 month period in exchanging letters discussing this, & childhood, & the years we had been apart.

Finally she would not have nothing to do with me because I refused this Mormon teachings, & she is still rather cool towards me, & we hardly ever have any contact.

You may never know if there any success in telling, or trying to point someone towards God's truths. All we can hope for I suppose is that we plant a seed of truth, & at sometime it will spout, or someone else will water, & God give the increase.

[Adamski 0]

I have studied lds and been on thier on line forums

They have zero and I mean zero everidence of thier existence before te mid 1800's
Joesph smith even left the lds church he founded for 6 months to attened a Methodist church because it wasn't working out.

Lds is pure polytheist they re wrote the bible to promote these views

Ask your family for historical proof they can't

[SamuelP 35]

I have studied lds and been on thier on line forums

They have zero and I mean zero everidence of thier existence before te mid 1800's
Joesph smith even left the lds church he founded for 6 months to attened a Methodist church because it wasn't working out.

Lds is pure polytheist they re wrote the bible to promote these views

Ask your family for historical proof they can't

They serve the same god as you Adamski ---------- very easy to prove. You are exactly the same kind of nut - a cult religion centered on Baal.

[Invicta 1,503]

Lds is pure polytheist they re wrote the bible to promote these views

The RCs are also polytheist. They worship Mary, Peter and all the saints,the host. The RC priest must be more powerful than God, as he can, he says, call down god from heaven, to appear in their wafer. The Roman Pantheon has its equivalent in the church of all saints. The same lump of metal, worshiped by the pagans as Jupiter, is now worshiped by Catholics as Peter.
Roman Catholicism is NOT Christian, but pagan.

[TheSword1227 24]

I have had plenty of Mormon elders and sisters come to my door over the years. My wife is a former Mormon and loves these people dearly.

While it's true they can be wonderful people, my experience with some of them was not at all positive. It seems that today they have gotten more bold. Elders will sit with my wife for an hour when I am not at home, although their rules disallow this..I had 2 young sister missionaries tell me that my baptism didn't count because it wasn't done in their church. I felt disrespected in my own home.

I always make sure I share the Gospel with them, but they will often say that I only have some of the truth and they alone have all of it. It's frustrating and requires much patience and prayer.

[TheSword1227 24]

On 4/10/2010 at 1:34 PM, Brother Rick said:

I always try to run them over with my SUV when I see them on their little bikes.

Just kidding.

They are dedicated, and more Christians need to be out soul winning and knocking doors like the Mormons do. The only people who’ve knocked on my door are JWs, Mormons, and other people from my church who didn't know I lived there.

Aggressive New Testament soul wining is dead in modern day Christianity for the most part.

I haven't seen them on bikes in these parts in years. They drive church owned late model cars. The other day, I spotted them in a nice shiny truck.