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Shavei Israel, a Jerusalem-based organization led by American Michael Freund, hopes to bring to the Jewish state the remaining 7,000 Indian citizens who believe they are the Bnei Menashe, the descendants of Manasseh, one of biblical patriarch Joseph's two sons and a grandson of Jacob.


It's still uncertain what tribe the Bene Israel, Etheopians Jews and the Jews of Tbilisi, Georgia are from. It's also curious that they are refered to as teh ten lost tribes, when it's 8 tribes and 2 half-tribes that are lost.

What's also of interest is the growing number of Orthodox Jews who are voicing support for Christianity, as it's being oppressed by many communities in America and across the West. What I see is the stage being set for a massive amount of sincere Jews, suddenly realizing Christianity is true, after a large number of Christians vanish mysteriously. Thus the emergence of the 144,000 Jews who evangelize the world during the tribulation.
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Israel is not the church, never has been, and never will be.


Precisely my point.

Joseph prefigures Jesus, Ephraim, the church, (Gentile/Samaritans/people who are not a people)

Isa 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

9 And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, (Samaritans)

De 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Joh 4:40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

Joh 4:41 And many more believed because of his own word;

1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The "Lamb's marrige supper" occurs in heaven during the trib,

The "Breach" between God/Israel is healed during/by the trib.

The "Marriage in CANA" (Mill Reign) is when the "TWO STICKS" (Church/Israel) are jointed together.
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Must be nice to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you will take literally. Last I checked, even that chapter itself defined those two sticks - yet you don't believe God's Word and want to redefine them. When God says Judah, Israel, Ephraim, etc. that's who He means.

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Must be nice to pick and choose which parts of the Bible you will take literally. Last I checked' date=' even that chapter itself defined those two sticks - yet you don't believe God's Word and want to redefine them. When God says Judah, Israel, Ephraim, etc. that's who He means.[/quote']

Why two separate sticks if it only Israel, and where does the church fit in???

Ephraim is not one of the tribes sealed in Revelation, so where is he???

You've totally eliminated any reference to the church or the separation between Church/Israel (blinded until fulness of Gentiles/pre trib rapture). (two sticks)

Joh 11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.
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None - when you read Ezra, Nehemiah and other OT books it actually teaches that various people from those "lost" tribes went back to Jerusalem.

Ezekiel mentions Ephraim having a land allotment during the Millenium, so does Dan - they are simply not one of the tribes sealed (for various reasons). So that certainly proves that Ephraim will still be in existence - and that it is not simply a metaphore for the church or whatever else you might want to fit in there.

Ezekiel 48:5 And by the border of Manasseh, from the east side unto the west side, a portion for Ephraim.

Also, Paul is quite clear that the church was a mystery, not revealed in the OT - so to make something cryptic and refer to the church instead of what it actually says is stretching the limits of Bible study. Yes, there are types of the church - but those types were still literal events and prophecies.

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Thanks.

I have been told by some that they 10 northern tribes did not return with Ezra. Yet Ezra mentions Israel and not Judah. It is quite cleat that not everyone returned. Some preferred the life in Babylon and other parts of the empire. Some seemed to have gone with Exra and then returned to Persia, Nehemiah, Mordecai,....

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Thanks.

I have been told by some that they 10 northern tribes did not return with Ezra. Yet Ezra mentions Israel and not Judah. It is quite cleat that not everyone returned. Some preferred the life in Babylon and other parts of the empire. Some seemed to have gone with Exra and then returned to Persia, Nehemiah, Mordecai,....


Jer 3:8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Israel was the Northern tribes,including the "House of Joseph/Ephraim" (Prefigure of Jesus/Gentiles) who refuse to "drink of the waters of shiloah", "SAMARIA" (Smaritans) was the "HEAD OF EPHRIAM".

And God said he would make them a "people who are not a people", (no nationality, generic= Gentiles)

When "SHILOH" (Jesus) did come, the "SAMARITANS" (Israel/house of Joseph/Ephraim/Gentiles) did drink of his water and "JUDAH" now refused to drink, played the harlot.

To be a Jew, one must be "Circumcised in the heart", Israel/Ephraim/Samaritans/Gentiles were circumcised, (Believed) "JUDAH" refused.

The "people who were not a people" (fomerly northern tribes/Israel/Ephraim/Samaritans) are now the "people of God", (Gentiles Church)

and presently JUDAH is excluded.

Jesus spent "TWO DAYS" with the "Samaritans" before he returned to the Jews, a "prefigure" of the "TWO DAYS" (day=1000 years) he'll spend with the church before the "REVIVING" of Israel will begin. (trib period)

Ho 6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

We're in that time frame.
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